Terrorist and terrorism organization cases on UM

[MegtheEgg86]

Can anyone help me with this list? I can only recall a few offhand:

- Victor Gerena (Boricua Popular Army, aka Los Macheteros. Their stated goal is Puerto Rican independence from the United States, which they perceive as a colonial government)

- Katherine Power (no affiliation, part of plot to arm the Black Panthers which included stealing from and damaging a Massachusetts National Guard armory and robbing a Brighton bank in 1970)

- "L'enfant" (?)

- the Unabomber (aka Ted Kaczynski. No affiliation, anarchist and neo-luddite)

For the sake of clarity, the U.S. DoD defines terrorism as the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

ETA: The Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber, maybe. We still don't know what his motives were. The Florida church arsons looked like possible terrorism, but as it turns out the arsonist was schizophrenic.

[Necco]

The bomb placed under the minivan of the wife of the captain of the USS Vincennes which had accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger plane.

[justins5256]

The February 17, 1993 episode had a focus on terrorism. There were two cases presented:

Bashir Kouchacji held prisoner and later harassed via telephone by what was likely a middle eastern terrorist organization.

The attempted bombing of the Captain of the U.S.S. Vincennes - likely in retribution for the accidental downing of an Iranian passenger plane.

Some others that may be terrorist related...

The derailment of the Amtrak Sunset Limited.

The downing of TWA Flight 800.

The attempted bombing of Guy Pence of the U.S. Forest Service.

Post 9/11 anthrax outbreaks.

[MegtheEgg86]

I remember a segment about Arrow Air Flight 1285. A plane carrying some members of the 101st Airborne Div. exploded not long after take-off from Gander Lake, Newfoundland. I don't recall if terrorism was the assumption, although I do definitely remember it was one of those "supposed military coverup" segments.

[RobinW]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

I remember a segment about Arrow Air Flight 1285. A plane carrying some members of the 101st Airborne Div. exploded not long after take-off from Gander Lake, Newfoundland. I don't recall if terrorism was the assumption, although I do definitely remember it was one of those "supposed military coverup" segments.

A terrorist group called Islamic Jihad actually took credit for the explosion when an anonymous phone call was placed to a French news agency, but the government pretty much dismissed the claim. Whether it was a terrorist attack or not, it's pretty obvious the plane did not crash because of ice on the wings.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by RobinW

A terrorist group called Islamic Jihad actually took credit for the explosion when an anonymous phone call was placed to a French news agency, but the government pretty much dismissed the claim. Whether it was a terrorist attack or not, it's pretty obvious the plane did not crash because of ice on the wings.

I remember that now. Islamic Jihad is like the Ottis Toole of the terrorist world.

[UMFaninMD]

The Colorado cop killer case, the culprits were homegrown anti-government terrorists. All three, Alan Pilon, Robert Mason, and Jason McVean, are now dead.

[soilentgreen]

Timothy Combs and the Freeman Movement in Missouri

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Can anyone help me with this list? I can only recall a few offhand:

- Victor Gerena (Boricua Popular Army, aka Los Macheteros. Their stated goal is Puerto Rican independence from the United States, which they perceive as a colonial government)

- Katherine Power (no affiliation, part of plot to arm the Black Panthers which included stealing from and damaging a Massachusetts National Guard armory and robbing a Brighton bank in 1970)

- "L'enfant" (?)

- the Unabomber (aka Ted Kaczynski. No affiliation, anarchist and neo-luddite)

For the sake of clarity, the U.S. DoD defines terrorism as the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

ETA: The Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber, maybe. We still don't know what his motives were. The Florida church arsons looked like possible terrorism, but as it turns out the arsonist was schizophrenic.

I like the U.S. definition of terrorism. Reminds me alot of the United States Military. lol

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by soilentgreen

Timothy Combs and the Freeman Movement in Missouri

So would you consider our founding fathers Terrorists also?

[rhzunam]

The Hero of a Nation is the terrorist of his Opponent - Calle 13 (Los de Atras Vienen Conmigo).

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by kane7474

I like the U.S. definition of terrorism. Reminds me alot of the United States Military. lol

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.

Save ur patriotic crap for someone who cares. You killed a hundred thousand people in Iraq so exxon and bp could take over oil fields. You fight for the profit of the wealthy and not for some non existent freedom of the poor. I don't care how u justify it or what flag u do it under, murder for profit is terrorism in my book. How many countries has Fidel Castro invaded or bombed? Who was responsible for more innocent deaths between gw bush and bin laden? Save ur America the beautiful crap for someone a little less evolved.
And to sit there and pretend that the lives of "your" friends are somehow more important then the innocent people that had cruise missiles rip through their homes in the name of freedom is a typical assanine American attitude
Maybe you can explain why people in Canada, France, Sweeden, Brazil, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, Holland etc etc can be free and not have to have a massive military that is perpetually at war for 200 some odd years? Why can other countries have freedom without bombing the middle east? Oh wait I know what your gonna say. If we didnt do that then the people we are bombing would take over our country right? Funny thing, we lost Vietnam and not one soldier from the north vietnameese army showed up here. No invasion, no takeover, we dont speak vietnameese. Hmmmm just more lies.
Btw, I am an American and I take no pride in that. No pride in a country built on slavery and the abuse of the poor and before you give me your predictable "get out" tagline, I assure you I intend on it. I look forward to living in a country that puts the welfare of its citizens above the profits of corporations.

[rhzunam]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.

Now more than ever I stand by my statement.

I'm not american and I respectfully disagree with your statement about not using unlawful stuff. The US has it's fair share of unlawful activities especially during the cold war. Actions that led to destruction and violence. I'm not saying it's unique at all or that other guys aren't worse or as bad. But part of the problem is that nobody ever thinks they are doing wrong.

The powerful can bend the rules to change and make it lawful because they do. That while it's disgusting and totally reprehensible for "terrorist" to make their actions but the powerful just switch it to do their actions. That is why while a country can invade another under false pretenses while the majority of the world protest it, go in and find they are false and then justify it in some way. That's why the terrorism label is so iffy. I for one don't consider one case of terrorism profiled in UM, to be that wrong at all although I don't agree with the actions.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Save ur patriotic crap for someone who cares. You killed a hundred thousand people in Iraq so exxon and bp could take over oil fields. You fight for the profit of the wealthy and not for some non existent freedom of the poor. I don't care how u justify it or what flag u do it under, murder for profit is terrorism in my book. How many countries has Fidel Castro invaded or bombed? Who was responsible for more innocent deaths between gw bush and bin laden? Save ur America the beautiful crap for someone a little less evolved.
And to sit there and pretend that the lives of "your" friends are somehow more important then the innocent people that had cruise missiles rip through their homes in the name of freedom is a typical assanine American attitude
Maybe you can explain why people in Canada, France, Sweeden, Brazil, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, Holland etc etc can be free and not have to have a massive military that is perpetually at war for 200 some odd years? Why can other countries have freedom without bombing the middle east? Oh wait I know what your gonna say. If we didnt do that then the people we are bombing would take over our country right? Funny thing, we lost Vietnam and not one soldier from the north vietnameese army showed up here. No invasion, no takeover, we dont speak vietnameese. Hmmmm just more lies.
Btw, I am an American and I take no pride in that. No pride in a country built on slavery and the abuse of the poor and before you give me your predictable "get out" tagline, I assure you I intend on it. I look forward to living in a country that puts the welfare of its citizens above the profits of corporations.

I don't advocate any sort of "get out" mentality. It's your right to feel and believe whatever you'd like to feel and believe as an American. That's what's so great about this country. You're privileged to be able to say whatever you'd like about it. Believe me, I'd love to show you Afghanistan and how terrified some of those poor people are in the worst provinces, where rule of law is minimal and Taliban strongholds exist. They definitely weren't allowed to openly express what they feel and believe when THAT government existed.

I think your understanding of American history is extremely narrow, and in some ways blatantly incorrect, however. "My" friends 1LT Frank Walkup and 2LT Darryn Andrews' lives are no more important than any other human being's, but they gave them unselfishly so that you can continue to live in a country unthreatened by those who wish to impose a system of governance on you far more restrictive than anything you could ever conjure. Whether or not you want to believe those forces exist is your perogative, but I am here to tell you they definitely do. There are people sitting thousands of miles away wanting to kill you simply because you're an American.


But that is something you won't ever understand, nor would I expect you to. Your hate weakens you.