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thinwhiteduke74 · 03-16-2011, 08:34 PM

Hi! Longtime lurker, longtime fan. This site has provided endless enjoyment when bored at work.

I wondered how many cases you can think of in which UM ignored or elided suggestions that the principals were involved in liaisons. I'm thinking specifically of the moribund Kurt McFall case, in which I distinctly got the impression that the visualization of the facts implied more than the evidence may have deserved.

Think of this as an extension of the suspicion of UM's tendency to overplay some elements (e.g. the Satanic Panic of the eighties) and underplay others (drug addiction, homosexuality, adultery) as a sign of the times.

Obviously these tendencies manifest themselves in the early episodes more than the later ones For example: Bryan Nisenfeld's homosexuality was stated baldly in his segment; then again, it was the late nineties, when acceptance of homosexuality had become commonplace.

SageSlowdive · 03-16-2011, 11:03 PM

Possibilities: Beverly McGowan, Matthew Chase

thinwhiteduke74 · 03-16-2011, 11:19 PM

Matthew Chase -- the man shot after a security camera caught the alleged suspect on tape? What makes you think this was a pickup?

RobinW · 03-17-2011, 09:51 AM

Well, even though her husband tried to pretend they had the perfect marriage in his UM interview, it's been highly speculated that Sneha Philip was often engaged in extramarital lesbian affairs and it's been theorized that the woman spotted with her on the security camera footage may have been her lover.

And since it was during the show's earlier years, you'll notice how carefully UM presents the implication about Judy Groezinger's possible lesbian relationship with her friend. They don't outright state anything, but do show a clip of the detective saying: "More than one acquaintance said the relationship was more than just friends".

TheCars1986 · 03-17-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thinwhiteduke74

Matthew Chase -- the man shot after a security camera caught the alleged suspect on tape? What makes you think this was a pickup?

Never thought about this possibility but it could have been this. I've also always thought Matthew Chase was gay, perhaps the suspect in the ATM image was a man posing as a male prostitute who murdered Matthew.

Kane · 03-17-2011, 03:53 PM

There may have been privacy issues involved. Maybe the sexual orientation topic was sometimes excluded at the request of those closest to the principal(s), possibly so that it wouldn't become more of an issue than it needed to be.

mattc · 03-17-2011, 06:53 PM

I don't think the robbery had anything to do with Matthew Chase's sexual orientation, but I too got the impression he was gay. I'm gay myself, and I guess it's my gaydar

I also agree with the Bev McGowen comment above. I think Elaine Parent (the monster who killed her) probably used seduction as one of her many methods of conning Bev. Plus, I was always struck by her brother repeatedly talking about how much Bev enjoyed her privacy and "her private side."

Finally, I was wondered about Dottie Caylor. While I think Jules, her husband, probably killed her, a part of me wondered if she had run off with a woman. It almost seemed that a woman in her "women's group" may have been interested in Dottie. Just a hunch.

thinwhiteduke74 · 03-17-2011, 10:46 PM

Elaine Parent was bisexual, as several news stories reported at the time.

Matthew Chase was a handsome young man. The actor who played him was actually not so good-looking.

crystaldawn · 03-18-2011, 06:58 AM

Welcome!

UM never really mentioned this but I often wondered if Lisa Bishop and Florian were having a fling. That could be one reason why she was so determined to go on the Freedon with him even though everyone was trying to get her not to go.

Also I would add possibly Melvine Aprille. I always wondered if there was more behind her stealing all her husband's money besides just wanting to take the children. I wonder if there was another man involved possibly even the one who went with her to various banks and posed as Jimmy Aprille.

MissFit29 · 03-18-2011, 07:37 AM

I read an article about the Beverly McGowan case where it was stated she was a lesbian. I think that was probably relevant to her case. Matthew Chase's sexuality maybe made him an easy target for what I believe was a random attack.

Sometimes I felt that the affair angle was overplayed too. It was mentioned that Christi Nichols had been seeing another man, but I never really felt they gave enough evidence to back that up. I think she was looking for a way out and there was never another man - I just thought she wanted to safely get away from Mark.

thinwhiteduke74 · 03-18-2011, 08:27 AM

To be honest, I wouldn't have suspected Matthew Chase was gay -- and I'm gay.

Steve W. · 03-18-2011, 08:51 AM

What makes some of you think that he was gay? Is it because his roommate Steven Dahl might have seemed to be gay himself from his interview in the segment or just the picture of Matthew Chase? I'm just curious what you're basing this from.

Another curiosity about the segment: do you think Theresa Dahl, Steven's sister, and Matthew's other roommate, was straight or not? I couldn't really tell from the segment, but she seemed very well-read/intelligent from how she spoke, and as a straight man, I thought she was very pretty.

MissFit29 · 03-18-2011, 05:23 PM

For some reason I always assumed Matthew Chase and Steve Dahl were a couple. Just a vibe I got, I guess.

mattc · 03-18-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MissFit29

For some reason I always assumed Matthew Chase and Steve Dahl were a couple. Just a vibe I got, I guess.

Same here. I just got the vibe that they were a couple, and that Teresa Dahl seemed like the type of girl that all gay men want as a friend

It's hard to explain to straight people how gay people sometimes can tell when another person is gay; I guess we pick up on the subtleties more easily because we see them in ourselves.

Perhaps it was also the fact that he was thin, clean cut, was described as soft spoken; and they were living in West Hollywood weren't they? That's a very gay friendly part of LA.

But at the end of the day, it was just a hunch. I'm pretty sure it's true too

thinwhiteduke74 · 03-18-2011, 07:51 PM

Ha! Well, like I said, I'm gay too, and no doubt it's the sketchiness of the episode that keeps me from imagining this about Chase.

03-16-2011, 08:34 PM	#1
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	Elided homosexual and/or extramarital affairs Hi! Longtime lurker, longtime fan. This site has provided endless enjoyment when bored at work. I wondered how many cases you can think of in which UM ignored or elided suggestions that the principals were involved in liaisons. I'm thinking specifically of the moribund Kurt McFall case, in which I distinctly got the impression that the visualization of the facts implied more than the evidence may have deserved. Think of this as an extension of the suspicion of UM's tendency to overplay some elements (e.g. the Satanic Panic of the eighties) and underplay others (drug addiction, homosexuality, adultery) as a sign of the times. Obviously these tendencies manifest themselves in the early episodes more than the later ones For example: Bryan Nisenfeld's homosexuality was stated baldly in his segment; then again, it was the late nineties, when acceptance of homosexuality had become commonplace.

03-16-2011, 11:03 PM	#2
SageSlowdive the real hank queen Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 10, 2010 Posts: 659	Possibilities: Beverly McGowan, Matthew Chase

03-16-2011, 11:19 PM	#3
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	Matthew Chase -- the man shot after a security camera caught the alleged suspect on tape? What makes you think this was a pickup?

03-17-2011, 09:51 AM	#4
RobinW Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2010 Posts: 1,874	Well, even though her husband tried to pretend they had the perfect marriage in his UM interview, it's been highly speculated that Sneha Philip was often engaged in extramarital lesbian affairs and it's been theorized that the woman spotted with her on the security camera footage may have been her lover. And since it was during the show's earlier years, you'll notice how carefully UM presents the implication about Judy Groezinger's possible lesbian relationship with her friend. They don't outright state anything, but do show a clip of the detective saying: "More than one acquaintance said the relationship was more than just friends".

03-17-2011, 03:53 PM	#6
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	There may have been privacy issues involved. Maybe the sexual orientation topic was sometimes excluded at the request of those closest to the principal(s), possibly so that it wouldn't become more of an issue than it needed to be.

03-17-2011, 06:53 PM	#7
mattc Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 16, 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 273	I don't think the robbery had anything to do with Matthew Chase's sexual orientation, but I too got the impression he was gay. I'm gay myself, and I guess it's my gaydar I also agree with the Bev McGowen comment above. I think Elaine Parent (the monster who killed her) probably used seduction as one of her many methods of conning Bev. Plus, I was always struck by her brother repeatedly talking about how much Bev enjoyed her privacy and "her private side." Finally, I was wondered about Dottie Caylor. While I think Jules, her husband, probably killed her, a part of me wondered if she had run off with a woman. It almost seemed that a woman in her "women's group" may have been interested in Dottie. Just a hunch.

03-17-2011, 10:46 PM	#8
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	Elaine Parent was bisexual, as several news stories reported at the time. Matthew Chase was a handsome young man. The actor who played him was actually not so good-looking.

03-18-2011, 06:58 AM	#9
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Welcome! UM never really mentioned this but I often wondered if Lisa Bishop and Florian were having a fling. That could be one reason why she was so determined to go on the Freedon with him even though everyone was trying to get her not to go. Also I would add possibly Melvine Aprille. I always wondered if there was more behind her stealing all her husband's money besides just wanting to take the children. I wonder if there was another man involved possibly even the one who went with her to various banks and posed as Jimmy Aprille.

03-18-2011, 07:37 AM	#10
MissFit29 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 526	I read an article about the Beverly McGowan case where it was stated she was a lesbian. I think that was probably relevant to her case. Matthew Chase's sexuality maybe made him an easy target for what I believe was a random attack. Sometimes I felt that the affair angle was overplayed too. It was mentioned that Christi Nichols had been seeing another man, but I never really felt they gave enough evidence to back that up. I think she was looking for a way out and there was never another man - I just thought she wanted to safely get away from Mark.

03-18-2011, 08:27 AM	#11
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	To be honest, I wouldn't have suspected Matthew Chase was gay -- and I'm gay.

03-18-2011, 08:51 AM	#12
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	What makes some of you think that he was gay? Is it because his roommate Steven Dahl might have seemed to be gay himself from his interview in the segment or just the picture of Matthew Chase? I'm just curious what you're basing this from. Another curiosity about the segment: do you think Theresa Dahl, Steven's sister, and Matthew's other roommate, was straight or not? I couldn't really tell from the segment, but she seemed very well-read/intelligent from how she spoke, and as a straight man, I thought she was very pretty.

03-18-2011, 05:23 PM	#13
MissFit29 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 526	For some reason I always assumed Matthew Chase and Steve Dahl were a couple. Just a vibe I got, I guess.

03-18-2011, 07:51 PM	#15
thinwhiteduke74 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 16, 2011 Posts: 387	Ha! Well, like I said, I'm gay too, and no doubt it's the sketchiness of the episode that keeps me from imagining this about Chase.