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Pavan · 10-21-2010, 12:14 PM

http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2010/1...-starting.html

Ronny G · 11-04-2010, 05:13 AM

I'm really excited to hear that this show is coming back to TV.

I don't think it has been in reruns since the 1980s on CBN.

That's the last time I remember watching it.

treky · 02-03-2011, 11:21 PM

well, here it's feb. 3rd, and no "FD"! What happened Pav?

Pavan · 02-04-2011, 01:23 AM

From December: http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2010/1...e-changes.html

PrettyinPink55 · 02-04-2011, 01:58 PM

I just came across this network the other day!! I love it!!!

If only someone would play The Facts of Life, Diff'rent Strokes, and The Brady Bunch, and I'll be a happy gal!!!

Ronny G · 04-30-2011, 04:27 PM

I've been following Antenna TV on facebook, and I have some disappointing news.

Today (4/30/11) some guy named Frank asked about "The Farmer's Daughter" and Antenna TV's representative responded with the following quote:

Antenna TV - Tribune Broadcasting Company: Frank, I have bad news about Farmer's Daughter. The prints were in such bad shape that Sony was not able to remaster them. I am so sorry. I know many people were looking forward to seeing this series.

Another person named Steve responded and was a little more vocal, but I thought it was interesting what he had to say:

Steve: "such bad shape" - let's not use PR talk - just say that it's cost prohibitive to bring the prints back up to broadcast quality. Sony isn't going to put the resources into doing that if the costs won't be recouped and Antenna TV won't pay ...anything beyond the agreed licensing fees for the series. It's a business/economic issue.

Some series need more work than others especially if the negatives haven't been used in 25+ years when the last batch of safety 16mm negatives for syndication prints were stuck. I wonder if the color episodes are the ones giving them more problems than the B&W
ones.

Still, I find it highly unlikely that all the episodes are "in bad shape',and that Sony can't throw together a "best of" package for ANTENNA TV. They need to think outside the box. Even if it means supplying transfers from safety 16mm prints/negatives.

RetroTVNitekatt · 06-15-2017, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronny G

I've been following Antenna TV on facebook, and I have some disappointing news.

Today (4/30/11) some guy named Frank asked about "The Farmer's Daughter" and Antenna TV's representative responded with the following quote:

Antenna TV - Tribune Broadcasting Company: Frank, I have bad news about Farmer's Daughter. The prints were in such bad shape that Sony was not able to remaster them. I am so sorry. I know many people were looking forward to seeing this series.

Another person named Steve responded and was a little more vocal, but I thought it was interesting what he had to say:

Steve: "such bad shape" - let's not use PR talk - just say that it's cost prohibitive to bring the prints back up to broadcast quality. Sony isn't going to put the resources into doing that if the costs won't be recouped and Antenna TV won't pay ...anything beyond the agreed licensing fees for the series. It's a business/economic issue.

Some series need more work than others especially if the negatives haven't been used in 25+ years when the last batch of safety 16mm negatives for syndication prints were stuck. I wonder if the color episodes are the ones giving them more problems than the B&W ones.

Still, I find it highly unlikely that all the episodes are "in bad shape',and that Sony can't throw together a "best of" package for ANTENNA TV. They need to think outside the box. Even if it means supplying transfers from safety 16mm prints/negatives.

Here we are 6 years later and the series is still the highest profile 1960's Screen Gems series still MIA.

How can one series, 202 cans of 35mm camera negatives (one for picture,one for mixed sound) become "bad shape" stored in the same vaults as Columbia's features and other Screen Gems shows where there's been no other reported issues with any other films or shows? There was something fishy about all this,and still is. Think "Steve" called them on the Carpet.

This is the same AntennaTV that isn't being upfront now about losing affiliates due to the FCC Spectrum buy-back and stations shutting down. (Boston/Manchester being the biggest)

stevea · 06-15-2017, 02:32 PM

I'd hardly say FD is SG's highest profile 60s series. I'd say it would more likely be Bewitched (followed by I Dream of Jeannie).

Would still like to see it, though.

RetroTVNitekatt · 06-15-2017, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevea

I'd hardly say FD is SG's highest profile 60s series. I'd say it would more likely be Bewitched (followed by I Dream of Jeannie).

Would still like to see it, though.

I said "...still the highest profile 1960's Screen Gems series still MIA" MIA="Missing in Action" Not that it was it's highest profile overall

Hazel Anyday · 06-15-2017, 08:00 PM

Besides it was last seen on the Family Channel in the '90's. That's where the DVD set that's floating about came from. The quality of those DVDs leaves a LOT to be desired though, but it's not the fault of the Family Channel showings it's the lousy recording quality of whoever it was that recorded these shows on tape and then did a horrible job of transferring them to DVDs. At any rate the point is Me TV or Cozi TV could show those same source programs that Family channel showed. I'd be more than satisfied with the video quality of those original tapes that Family channel had then I'd re-record it myself from fresh broadcasts now and would get a decent set. I suppose the problem is that maybe TV stations only want to show digital recordings not the actual films that Family channel must have used. I say, Columbia if you're too lazy to make digital copies then let the current vintage TV channels play the films the way Family channel did. Now that would make us all happy.

stevea · 06-18-2017, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroTVNitekatt

I said "...still the highest profile 1960's Screen Gems series still MIA" MIA="Missing in Action" Not that it was it's highest profile overall

My bad. Would really like to be able to delete my original post.

The problem with FD and all the other old SG shows is that Sony has done NO WORK on them. Still the same tired, poorly edited syndication prints, transferred years ago to videotape. They may be played back from more modern media now, but the quality and editing have never been worked on (you can tell by the old logos (except the original) still attached to the end).

So, if the junk copies they still play on Antenna are still acceptable (like Burns and Allen, Dennis the Menace, and Father Knows Best), why not just play FD as is?

Ronny G · 06-18-2017, 09:51 AM

I was told by an industry insider that the Farmer's Daughter was NEVER transferred to videotape like Hazel or Dennis. The last time the show aired in reruns was on CBN in the mid-1980s, and that the station was given the same old, beat-up 16mm reels that were shipped to TV stations across the USA on film. Up until the late '70s, this was the conventional way of distributing TV episodes to network affiliates.The show needs to be remastered, which means they have to go back to the original elements, but it is very expensive to do so. Sony doesn't see a profit so they're not going to do it. I sincerely wish they would, but there's not a huge demand.
Until then, i will have to enjoy my bootleg sets. By the way, there are at least 2 different homemade sets out there. I know because I own both of them. One is a 9-disc set which crams 10 episodes per disc, and a 16-disc set which has 5 episodes per disc. The quality is as different as night and day. The episodes do not appear to be from the same source, either, which leads me to believe that there was more than just one person recording the show back then. They both are missing the same episodes because--get this, CBN did not air all the episodes. Because it was a Christian-owned network, they declined to show any episode whose subject matter did not fit in with their beliefs. They did not not run an episode that dealt with horoscopes and astrology. They also chose not to run an episode about an unwed mother that Katy befriends.
Here are some screen caps from some of my episodes. The picture is a little soft focus, but completely watchable. Anyone who grew up in the 1970s, remembers watching TV like this. We did not have high-definition digital TVs like today, so we were used to watching old, grainy prints. Of course, it would be nice to see this series restored, but this is pretty much how I remember watching it in reruns 30 years ago.

1960'sTVfan · 06-18-2017, 11:07 AM

I've always liked William Windom as an actor and would like to see The Farmers Daughter, but it sounds like restoring the episodes to modern telecast standards would be too cost prohibitive. Seasons 2 and 3 of The Joey Bishop Show (the color seasons) don't look that great but Antenna TV is airing those.

stevea · 06-18-2017, 01:55 PM

Amazing that anyone in the 90s was still playing a show from reels of film.

About the DVD sets floating around: to me the number one quality problem on these sets (any show) is cramming too many episodes on a DVD. Picture motion becomes jerky, audio gets out of sync. DVD-Rs are NOT that expensive. Use SP mode.

Ronny G · 06-18-2017, 02:39 PM

The Farmer's Daughter didn't run on the Family channel in the 90s. It was last run on CBN in the mid-1980s. If it had been on in the 1990s, then there would be more copies floating around because more households had VCRs then.
Also, another factor to poor quality is the dubbing standards back then. There were no DVRs, so making a copy of a TV show required two VCRs hooked up together. One played and the other one recorded. The second copy was called a "second generation" because the picture quality declined. That's how we traded tapes back then. If the person who received the "second generation" tape made a copy for another friend, then that would be called a "third generation" tape, and the picture was even worse, and so on....

10-21-2010, 12:14 PM	#1
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02-03-2011, 11:21 PM	#3
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02-04-2011, 01:58 PM	#5
PrettyinPink55 Member Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 24,601	I just came across this network the other day!! I love it!!! If only someone would play The Facts of Life, Diff'rent Strokes, and The Brady Bunch, and I'll be a happy gal!!!
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06-15-2017, 08:00 PM	#10
Hazel Anyday Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 12, 2002 Posts: 2,131	If Family Channel Can Do It So Can Cozi/Me/Antenna Besides it was last seen on the Family Channel in the '90's. That's where the DVD set that's floating about came from. The quality of those DVDs leaves a LOT to be desired though, but it's not the fault of the Family Channel showings it's the lousy recording quality of whoever it was that recorded these shows on tape and then did a horrible job of transferring them to DVDs. At any rate the point is Me TV or Cozi TV could show those same source programs that Family channel showed. I'd be more than satisfied with the video quality of those original tapes that Family channel had then I'd re-record it myself from fresh broadcasts now and would get a decent set. I suppose the problem is that maybe TV stations only want to show digital recordings not the actual films that Family channel must have used. I say, Columbia if you're too lazy to make digital copies then let the current vintage TV channels play the films the way Family channel did. Now that would make us all happy.
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06-18-2017, 09:51 AM	#12
Ronny G Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 14, 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 540	I was told by an industry insider that the Farmer's Daughter was NEVER transferred to videotape like Hazel or Dennis. The last time the show aired in reruns was on CBN in the mid-1980s, and that the station was given the same old, beat-up 16mm reels that were shipped to TV stations across the USA on film. Up until the late '70s, this was the conventional way of distributing TV episodes to network affiliates.The show needs to be remastered, which means they have to go back to the original elements, but it is very expensive to do so. Sony doesn't see a profit so they're not going to do it. I sincerely wish they would, but there's not a huge demand. Until then, i will have to enjoy my bootleg sets. By the way, there are at least 2 different homemade sets out there. I know because I own both of them. One is a 9-disc set which crams 10 episodes per disc, and a 16-disc set which has 5 episodes per disc. The quality is as different as night and day. The episodes do not appear to be from the same source, either, which leads me to believe that there was more than just one person recording the show back then. They both are missing the same episodes because--get this, CBN did not air all the episodes. Because it was a Christian-owned network, they declined to show any episode whose subject matter did not fit in with their beliefs. They did not not run an episode that dealt with horoscopes and astrology. They also chose not to run an episode about an unwed mother that Katy befriends. Here are some screen caps from some of my episodes. The picture is a little soft focus, but completely watchable. Anyone who grew up in the 1970s, remembers watching TV like this. We did not have high-definition digital TVs like today, so we were used to watching old, grainy prints. Of course, it would be nice to see this series restored, but this is pretty much how I remember watching it in reruns 30 years ago. Attached Images
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11-04-2010, 05:13 AM	#2
Ronny G Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 14, 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 540	I'm really excited to hear that this show is coming back to TV. I don't think it has been in reruns since the 1980s on CBN. That's the last time I remember watching it.

02-04-2011, 01:23 AM	#4
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,814	From December: http://blog.sitcomsonline.com/2010/1...e-changes.html

04-30-2011, 04:27 PM	#6
Ronny G Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 14, 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 540	I've been following Antenna TV on facebook, and I have some disappointing news. Today (4/30/11) some guy named Frank asked about "The Farmer's Daughter" and Antenna TV's representative responded with the following quote: Antenna TV - Tribune Broadcasting Company: Frank, I have bad news about Farmer's Daughter. The prints were in such bad shape that Sony was not able to remaster them. I am so sorry. I know many people were looking forward to seeing this series. Another person named Steve responded and was a little more vocal, but I thought it was interesting what he had to say: Steve: "such bad shape" - let's not use PR talk - just say that it's cost prohibitive to bring the prints back up to broadcast quality. Sony isn't going to put the resources into doing that if the costs won't be recouped and Antenna TV won't pay ...anything beyond the agreed licensing fees for the series. It's a business/economic issue. Some series need more work than others especially if the negatives haven't been used in 25+ years when the last batch of safety 16mm negatives for syndication prints were stuck. I wonder if the color episodes are the ones giving them more problems than the B&W ones. Still, I find it highly unlikely that all the episodes are "in bad shape',and that Sony can't throw together a "best of" package for ANTENNA TV. They need to think outside the box. Even if it means supplying transfers from safety 16mm prints/negatives.

06-15-2017, 02:32 PM	#8
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,161	I'd hardly say FD is SG's highest profile 60s series. I'd say it would more likely be Bewitched (followed by I Dream of Jeannie). Would still like to see it, though.

06-18-2017, 11:07 AM	#13
1960'sTVfan Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 30, 2009 Posts: 6,045	I've always liked William Windom as an actor and would like to see The Farmers Daughter, but it sounds like restoring the episodes to modern telecast standards would be too cost prohibitive. Seasons 2 and 3 of The Joey Bishop Show (the color seasons) don't look that great but Antenna TV is airing those.

06-18-2017, 01:55 PM	#14
stevea 22 Years On Sitcoms Moderator Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 13, 2003 Location: Indy Posts: 44,161	Amazing that anyone in the 90s was still playing a show from reels of film. About the DVD sets floating around: to me the number one quality problem on these sets (any show) is cramming too many episodes on a DVD. Picture motion becomes jerky, audio gets out of sync. DVD-Rs are NOT that expensive. Use SP mode.

06-18-2017, 02:39 PM	#15
Ronny G Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 14, 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 540	The Farmer's Daughter didn't run on the Family channel in the 90s. It was last run on CBN in the mid-1980s. If it had been on in the 1990s, then there would be more copies floating around because more households had VCRs then. Also, another factor to poor quality is the dubbing standards back then. There were no DVRs, so making a copy of a TV show required two VCRs hooked up together. One played and the other one recorded. The second copy was called a "second generation" because the picture quality declined. That's how we traded tapes back then. If the person who received the "second generation" tape made a copy for another friend, then that would be called a "third generation" tape, and the picture was even worse, and so on....