Does anyone defend Mike Morris, Larry Gibson, Paul Pollis and others?

[Clockworkhigh]

Who do you defend that puts you in the extreme minority? Who is someone that you have stood up for or at least not fingered right away. Who have you gone against the grain with?

I don't know anyone who has thought that Paul Pollis is innocent. Or Mike Morris. And rarely do you hear that about Larry Gibson here. Or Christi Nichols' husband. But if there are defenders of these guys or other unpopular figures on UM I want to hear your cases for them as to why they may be innocent. Should make for some interesting discussion.

For me I have stood up for Jude Caylor before. Dottie's husband. I didn't suspect a killer in his body language and by all accounts Dottie was manic depressive. That isn't to say that he couldn't be guilty, but I always leaned to the side that he wasn't and Dottie left on her own free will and maybe ran into foul play

[wiseguy182]

oh, good question.

I always thought Curtis Croft got a worse rap than he deserved. It was like some were blaming him for what happened, but he certainly didn't invite what happened. And I heard he has tried to clean up his life.

[kadrmas15]

Dottie Caylor had anxiety, agoraphobia, not manic depression. Susan Harrison had manic depression not Dottie Caylor.

[kadrmas15]

In terms of defending people when it is unpopular, check my posts, you will see a ton of times when I have done this. I get ripped on quite regularly for it.

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by Clockworkhigh

Who do you defend that puts you in the extreme minority? Who is someone that you have stood up for or at least not fingered right away. Who have you gone against the grain with?

I don't know anyone who has thought that Paul Pollis is innocent. Or Mike Morris. And rarely do you hear that about Larry Gibson here. Or Christi Nichols' husband. But if there are defenders of these guys or other unpopular figures on UM I want to hear your cases for them as to why they may be innocent. Should make for some interesting discussion.

For me I have stood up for Jude Caylor before. Dottie's husband. I didn't suspect a killer in his body language and by all accounts Dottie was manic depressive. That isn't to say that he couldn't be guilty, but I always leaned to the side that he wasn't and Dottie left on her own free will and maybe ran into foul play

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder. I just believe that he is incompetent and destroyed evidence on purpose because he did not like Eric on a personal level and because Eric may or may not have been having an affair with his wife. Some believe Wampler had something to do with the murder. Be it the actual triggerman, hiring a hitman or being involved in plotting the murder. I do not. I personally think it was Don Dixon.

[soilentgreen]

Originally Posted by Hambone2421

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder.

I agree.

Not a big topic on this site, but I believe that Michael Self was innocent of the murders of Sharon Shaw and Rhonda Johnson.

As far as more controversial segments, I think Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty. While not exactly fitting the criteria for this thread, I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by soilentgreen

I agree.

Not a big topic on this site, but I believe that Michael Self was innocent of the murders of Sharon Shaw and Rhonda Johnson.

As far as more controversial segments, I think Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty. While not exactly fitting the criteria for this thread, I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

You think you are in the minority? I know a lot of people think that Cindy was nothing more than a drama queen. Isn't it convenient that she's down on the ground/floor everytime someone is supposed to come to her house? Total acting on her part. A split personality for sure. No way her ex-husband continues that sherade for very long. Cindy was just an unhappy woman

[justins5256]

Although I have gone back and fourth on the issue over the years, I have posted some comments before about my belief that Jule Caylor could be innocent. I just can't buy that he would go on national television and make such bold statements about being glad that Dottie was gone if he was responsible for her disappearance/death.

When I was much younger, I believed Larry Gibson and the abduction scenario. I don't believe it anymore though.

[Clockworkhigh]

Originally Posted by justins5256

Although I have gone back and fourth on the issue over the years, I have posted some comments before about my belief that Jule Caylor could be innocent. I just can't buy that he would go on national television and make such bold statements about being glad that Dottie was gone if he was responsible for her disappearance/death.

When I was much younger, I believed Larry Gibson and the abduction scenario. I don't believe it anymore though.

Yeah me too. That really stunned me. I guess they really did have a rotten marriage. When he said "life is good" without Dottie, I mean, that is either really stupid or being very honest and I don't know which one it is. But if you were the prime suspect something tells me the only reason you would say that is because you know yourself you didn't do it.

It isn't crazy to think that Dottie got on that train and started a new life. People of her condition are extremely self-centered. But the other option would be foul play. She is seen as being vulnerable and the wrong person notices that. End of story for her

[Shahla]

Originally Posted by soilentgreen

I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

The majority believes that she did do this to herself. I, on the other hand, don't think so. I guess I am the only one here.

[Shahla]

Jule Caylor can be innocent but I am always suspicious about the husbands when their wives just disappears and never reappear. It is common knowledge that in the majority of cases it was the husband.
And maybe he made those comments because he is just cocky enough and thinks they will never be able to pin it on him. Guess what, they couldn't.

[Mastermind]

I don't know if this puts me in the minority or not, but I do not believe Sheriff Wampler had anything to do with Eric Tamiyasu's murder. I just believe that he is incompetent and destroyed evidence on purpose because he did not like Eric on a personal level and because Eric may or may not have been having an affair with his wife. Some believe Wampler had something to do with the murder. Be it the actual triggerman, hiring a hitman or being involved in plotting the murder. I do not. I personally think it was Don Dixon.

For the record, I actually don;t think that Sheriff Wampler killed Eric, but I do believe he conspired to hide evidence because he knew who did committ the murder.

Jule Caylor can be innocent but I am always suspicious about the husbands when their wives just disappears and never reappear. It is common knowledge that in the majority of cases it was the husband.
And maybe he made those comments because he is just cocky enough and thinks they will never be able to pin it on him. Guess what, they couldn't.

It's important to consider these things with a lot of these guys
1. Usually there is a very good reason why these people became suspects by the police. Odds would favor that they are guilty.

2. A lot of these cases are missing person cases. A lot could change if the missing person was found alive. Dottie Caylor or Christy Nichol could be found alive somewhere which would completely exonerate both husbands.

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Originally Posted by soilentgreen
I guess I go against the majority in believing Cindy James invented the stalking occurrences and committed suicide/accidentally overdosed while staging an attack.

The majority believes that she did do this to herself. I, on the other hand, don't think so. I guess I am the only one here.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with you thinking that, either. You very well could be right and Cindy was attacked by a mysterious assailant.

I just want to make sure that your reasons are based on deductive thinking and not because you think Cindy is a nice girl and what happened to her was horrible.

I would love to believe that Cindy didn't do this to herself, but logic has to dictate that there is a strong possibility that Cindy made all this up.

Enough posts for today..i'll be here forever again.
Adios. Catch me on Websleuths.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by kadrmas15

In terms of defending people when it is unpopular, check my posts, you will see a ton of times when I have done this. I get ripped on quite regularly for it.

I automatically thought of you kadrmas when I read the thread title.

For me, I'm with the Jule Caylor group. I don't think he's guilty of anything surrounding Dottie's disappearance.

I've gone back and forth on it in the past, but I think Larry Race is innocent.

I'm on the fence leaning towards innocence with Jeffrey MacDonald as well.


This might not exactly fit here, but I always feel like I'm in the minority when we discuss Gail Delano. She had a very serious illness altering her judgement, and I believe she sincerely thought she was doing what was "best" for everyone around her by taking her own life. I don't think the motive was intentionally selfish at all.

[kadrmas15]

In terms of Jule Caylor, yeah, I have gone back and forth on him too. I used to be so convinced he was guilty, but even back when I thought that, I had my doubts. I had my doubts that he, a guy who was on a national broadcast suspected of murder and being aware of that, would be that cocky about things unless he truly was innocent and truly had no idea where Dottie was. Just because Jule may be a cheater and a jerk does not make him a murderer.

As someone who has agoraphobia, the same thing Dottie had/has, I would say, people are not self centered in the sense some would like to portray. I mean yes, from the outside looking in I can see why someone would think that way. However most people in that state of mind, particularly if it is more desperate think that the world, or that their loved ones would be better off without them and the like. So you want to get away from stuff and you fake your own disappearance and go off assuming everyone would believe that you were dead. In the case of Jule Caylor, while I personally do not like him, I would not convict him of murder either as a rule of law, there is no evidence a murder occurred period, let alone that he did it. You cannot convict someone just because you do not like them.

I also agree Meg the Egg, that I do not feel that Gail Delano's suicide was selfish in the true sense of the word. It is because Gail, in her mind was not looking out for her own self interests, she was looking out for other people's or so she thought. She truly thought her sons and everyone else in her life would be better off without her and so she figured the only way to rectify the situation was by killing herself. It is sad and tragic but I imagine that is how she thought. Despite the cover up on her part, while irrational, I think she thought that by covering it up, she would spare her loved ones pain, to think she just ran off.

[MissFit29]

My guess about Jule Caylor is that he got sick of having Dottie around, and he just dropped her off somewhere. Dottie wouldn't last long and could have snapped. If she had intense fears, they could have driven her to kill herself. Jule technically wouldn't have done anything illegal.