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Sharop · 02-08-2010, 08:44 PM

I've been doing some reading about the Lizzie Borden case over the last few days (for those who don't know about it, here's a Wikipedia link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden.) Those of you with knowledge of the case, what do you make of it, and who do you think was the murderer? Lizzie? The maid Bridget? An intruder? Somebody else?

I've always believed that Lizzie was most likely the person behind the murders of her stepmother and father. They were both murdered with a hatchet at their home, during the day, during which time the only two people at the house were Bridget the maid and Lizzie herself. Bridget had opportunity but no apparent motive - she had nothing to gain from the deaths of her employers and there did not appear to be any bad blood between them. Lizzie, on the other hand (along with her sister Emma) hated her stepmother and both sisters stood to inherit a sizable fortune once both their stepmother and father had passed on.

So yes, I think that Lizzie is the most likely culprit. I've been reading theories at a forum dedicated to the case. People have surmised that the killings may have been a spur of the moment thing - perhaps the idea had been festering in her mind, but that she just snapped that day and decided to kill them there and then. They figure that attacking someone with a hatchet is more the action of a person who murders someone in a fit of rage, rather than the action of someone who has made a careful plot. I think it's possible that Lizzie may have had some plan in mind to at least kill her stepmother but that she may not have intended the murders to occur right then and there, at that time, and in the way that they happened.

People have also been surmising that Lizzie may have originally intended to only kill her stepmother (Abby) and that it may have been only after her father (Andrew) returned home that she realised she would have to kill him as well. It's been suggested by some members of the forum that Lizzie may have been planning to slip out into town after murdering Abby, in order to establish an alibi for herself, but that that plan was spoiled by her father coming home before she had a chance to leave. Since he was well aware of his daughter's hatred of his wife, he would surely have realised what had happened, and therefore, she had to kill him as well.

janet42 · 02-08-2010, 09:07 PM

I don't know. But I can't help think that Lizzie did it, but Emma knew that she was going to do it.

Liza · 02-08-2010, 09:44 PM

Lizzie Borden took an axe,
Gave her mother forty whacks,
When she saw what she had done,
Gave her father forty-one.

Janice · 02-08-2010, 09:46 PM

I think that Lizzie did it. If they had DNA and other forensic methods back then, she would have been convicted.

Liza · 02-08-2010, 09:49 PM

She did it. She got off, unfortunately, because she could afford a great lawyer and because she was a woman. In those days, who would suspect a fine, upstanding lady of murder? That was what her defense argued anyways, and that's what the jury bought.

Liza · 02-08-2010, 09:59 PM

By the way, if you've never seen this, you can't afford to miss it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqXCp1VYdwU

catlover79 · 02-09-2010, 01:24 AM

The 1975 movie starring Elizabeth Montgomery was great. The History Channel or A&E (one of those channels, I can't remember which) also did a terrific special on the Borden case. I too think Lizzie probably did it but Janice is right. They didn't have the forensics or other equipment back then that would've sealed Lizzie's fate.

treky · 02-09-2010, 04:13 AM

I definetaly think that Lizzie did it.

Pitooey · 02-09-2010, 09:52 AM

I think she also did it. I agree with the fact that she planned it. Then on the day she just did the whack job.

catlover79 · 02-09-2010, 12:06 PM

Ironically, the Lizzie Borden house where the crimes were committed is now a bed-and-breakfast.

http://www.lizzie-borden.com/

Penny Lane · 02-09-2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liza

Lizzie Borden took an axe,
Gave her mother forty whacks,
When she saw what she had done,
Gave her father forty-one.

I recorded that movie years ago . It is great! The movie "speculates" on how Lizzie could have done it and it made perfect sense! I too believe that she did it. According to the movie she really covered her tracks well.

I think that I will pull it out and watch it again tonight! Liz Montgomery is so good ! How I miss her!

catlover79 · 02-12-2010, 04:55 PM

You can see The Legend of Lizzie Borden (with Elizabeth Montgomery) here:

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/leg...zie_borden.php

angiefan · 02-12-2010, 07:40 PM

Is the Legend of Lizzie Borden on DVD? I know they had Guests for breakfast. in the movie,they didn't,Lizzie didn't want any breakfast,because of the heat,they had Mutton broth,I don't know if it's true or not.Bridget wanted it thrown out,but Andrew wanted it served,anyway.Bridget wanted Johnny Cakes or Cookies for Breakfast.

Waterston_Fan · 02-13-2010, 02:01 AM

I swear, that almost looked like Erin Moran playing Lizzie Borden.

treky · 02-13-2010, 05:30 AM

no, sadly it's not on DVD

though there's been A LOT of requests for it.

02-08-2010, 08:44 PM	#1
Sharop Andy Gibb aged 12 Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 03, 2004 Location: Courthouse Square, Hill Valley, beside the clocktower, 10:04 p.m., November 12th 1955 Posts: 3,912	The Lizzie Borden case I've been doing some reading about the Lizzie Borden case over the last few days (for those who don't know about it, here's a Wikipedia link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden.) Those of you with knowledge of the case, what do you make of it, and who do you think was the murderer? Lizzie? The maid Bridget? An intruder? Somebody else? I've always believed that Lizzie was most likely the person behind the murders of her stepmother and father. They were both murdered with a hatchet at their home, during the day, during which time the only two people at the house were Bridget the maid and Lizzie herself. Bridget had opportunity but no apparent motive - she had nothing to gain from the deaths of her employers and there did not appear to be any bad blood between them. Lizzie, on the other hand (along with her sister Emma) hated her stepmother and both sisters stood to inherit a sizable fortune once both their stepmother and father had passed on. So yes, I think that Lizzie is the most likely culprit. I've been reading theories at a forum dedicated to the case. People have surmised that the killings may have been a spur of the moment thing - perhaps the idea had been festering in her mind, but that she just snapped that day and decided to kill them there and then. They figure that attacking someone with a hatchet is more the action of a person who murders someone in a fit of rage, rather than the action of someone who has made a careful plot. I think it's possible that Lizzie may have had some plan in mind to at least kill her stepmother but that she may not have intended the murders to occur right then and there, at that time, and in the way that they happened. People have also been surmising that Lizzie may have originally intended to only kill her stepmother (Abby) and that it may have been only after her father (Andrew) returned home that she realised she would have to kill him as well. It's been suggested by some members of the forum that Lizzie may have been planning to slip out into town after murdering Abby, in order to establish an alibi for herself, but that that plan was spoiled by her father coming home before she had a chance to leave. Since he was well aware of his daughter's hatred of his wife, he would surely have realised what had happened, and therefore, she had to kill him as well.
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02-09-2010, 01:24 AM	#7
catlover79 God Bless Val Forum Addict Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 70,392	The 1975 movie starring Elizabeth Montgomery was great. The History Channel or A&E (one of those channels, I can't remember which) also did a terrific special on the Borden case. I too think Lizzie probably did it but Janice is right. They didn't have the forensics or other equipment back then that would've sealed Lizzie's fate.
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02-09-2010, 04:13 AM	#8
treky star trek fan Eternal Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Location: Conshohocken, pennsylvania Posts: 14,490	I definetaly think that Lizzie did it.
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02-09-2010, 09:52 AM	#9
Pitooey Member Forum Star Join Date: Feb 15, 2001 Location: Rocking in Transylvania. Posts: 15,042	I think she also did it. I agree with the fact that she planned it. Then on the day she just did the whack job.
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02-12-2010, 07:40 PM	#13
angiefan happy labor day! Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 15, 2006 Location: grand blanc,michigan Posts: 618	The Lizzie Borden case Is the Legend of Lizzie Borden on DVD? I know they had Guests for breakfast. in the movie,they didn't,Lizzie didn't want any breakfast,because of the heat,they had Mutton broth,I don't know if it's true or not.Bridget wanted it thrown out,but Andrew wanted it served,anyway.Bridget wanted Johnny Cakes or Cookies for Breakfast.

02-08-2010, 09:07 PM	#2
janet42 Three's Company Fan! Senior Member Join Date: Feb 22, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,757	I don't know. But I can't help think that Lizzie did it, but Emma knew that she was going to do it.

02-08-2010, 09:44 PM	#3
Liza BestYearsofOurLives Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 24, 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 6,537	Lizzie Borden took an axe, Gave her mother forty whacks, When she saw what she had done, Gave her father forty-one.

02-08-2010, 09:46 PM	#4
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	I think that Lizzie did it. If they had DNA and other forensic methods back then, she would have been convicted.

02-08-2010, 09:49 PM	#5
Liza BestYearsofOurLives Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 24, 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 6,537	She did it. She got off, unfortunately, because she could afford a great lawyer and because she was a woman. In those days, who would suspect a fine, upstanding lady of murder? That was what her defense argued anyways, and that's what the jury bought.

02-08-2010, 09:59 PM	#6
Liza BestYearsofOurLives Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 24, 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 6,537	By the way, if you've never seen this, you can't afford to miss it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqXCp1VYdwU

02-09-2010, 12:06 PM	#10
catlover79 God Bless Val Forum Addict Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 70,392	Ironically, the Lizzie Borden house where the crimes were committed is now a bed-and-breakfast. http://www.lizzie-borden.com/

02-12-2010, 04:55 PM	#12
catlover79 God Bless Val Forum Addict Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 70,392	You can see The Legend of Lizzie Borden (with Elizabeth Montgomery) here: http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/leg...zie_borden.php

02-13-2010, 02:01 AM	#14
Waterston_Fan Eternal Member Eternal Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 26, 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,195	I swear, that almost looked like Erin Moran playing Lizzie Borden.

02-13-2010, 05:30 AM	#15
treky star trek fan Eternal Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Location: Conshohocken, pennsylvania Posts: 14,490	no, sadly it's not on DVD though there's been A LOT of requests for it.