Pamela Page: Mystery Deepens in Woman's Disappearance 20 Years Ago - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Zoneboy · 01-04-2010, 08:49 PM

Pamela Jane Frisby Page disappeared 20 years ago from her home in the 6700 block of West Shangri La Road in Peoria, but her family has never given up looking for her.

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Last week, Pamela's family, who live in Arkansas, were dealt a devastating blow, when they received word that Pamela's husband, Robert Page, had died of cancer over the Christmas holiday.

“We have always thought that Rob had something to do with her disappearance,” said Pamela's sister, Jimmie Rice. “We had no idea he had cancer until I received a phone call this week from my brother, Willie, who was married to Rob's sister, Bettina, that Rob had died. Now we may never know what happened to her.”

Pamela was last seen at 8:30 p.m. July 21, 1989 by an employee at her business, Fast Forward Video at the corner of Peoria and 67th avenues.

After Pamela's family had not heard from her, they contacted Rob, who informed them she had left him and read them a two-page letter he said she had written him.

“He later admitted he wrote the letter on a computer and signed it,” Rice said.

As time passed, a lot of things Rob told them just didn't add up.

“Rob told us the police would not take a missing persons report from him because Pam had left him, but when we drove to Arizona and arrived at the police station, they had never heard of him,” Rice said.

He told Pam's family that he and a friend had found her missing Corvette at a Winchell's Donut Shop; however, a witness later reported seeing Rob park the car there and leave in a taxi that he had called from a nearby parts store.

“Pam had two Dachshunds who were raised together and were her babies. She would never separate them, but one of the dogs was missing with her and the other was not,” Rice said.

Over the years, police have continued to look for leads and in 1998-99, brought in expensive ground penetrating radar equipment and excavated the back yard, but turned up nothing.

In 1991, Rice visited a psychic, who described Pam's two story home and said she had a vision of Pam being strangled in an upstairs bedroom, put in the trunk of a car and buried down a deep incline in Coolidge.

In the early 1990s, Pam's disappearance was featured on the television show “Unsolved Mysteries” and her picture is posted on the missing adult Web site, www.theyaremissed.org.

Last July, on the 20th year of Pam's disappearance, Rice, 61, her sister, Judy Stuttle, 60, and their parents, Willie, 83, and Mary, 85, drove to Peoria and walked through the neighborhood where Pam lived handing out fliers hoping to turn up clues.

“We believe it is possible that Rob may have told his sister, Bettina, something on his deathbed, but she is not talking to us, and we have no access to search the house in case he may have left a note or something behind,” Rice said.

According to the Peoria Police Department's Cold Case Web site, “Foul play is strongly suspected.”

Rice said Rob's next of kin are his sisters, Bettina, who lives in Arkansas and Patty Sue who lives in Dallas and that he has a girlfriend taking care of the final arrangements.

Rice said her elderly parents desperately want closure on the disappearance of Pam, the youngest of their eight children, before they pass on.

“Now my mom and dad, and our family may never know where Pamela is,” Rice said.

mattc · 01-31-2010, 07:19 AM

Just noticed this article.. I'm surprised this case doesn't get more play on the boards here. I guess it's such an obvious case there's not much to discuss. I did want to point out something I found interesting in the article.

First: Did I read this correctly? Pam was married to Rob, and at one point Pam's brother was married to Rob's sister? Wow.. kind of strange really.

Second: I didn't remember UM specifically mentioning that Rob told Pam's family he had tried to report her missing but they wouldn't take it since she supposedly left with another woman. UM did say they were surprised that he hadn't reported it, but this adds even more deception as he actually openly lied to their faces about it.

Third: The one thing that has always made me hesitate just a tad was the fact that one of the dogs went missing too. The only thing I can come up with is that, in the argument or killing, one of the dogs was hurt, and Rob had to either kill it or give it away so it wouldn't be suspicious, b/c why in the world would he randomly kill one dog for no reason? Both, I can understand, if he simply wanted to move on with a totally new life and no responsibility, but just one?

Finally, I wonder if the $60,000 dollars ever turned up, or if the police were able to find out if Rob ended up having the money himself, or if he purchased something out of the ordinary? I feel that if it could be shown that he claimed his wife stole the money, and then it turned out he had it the whole time, that would have been strong evidence to go to trial.

Anyway, and thoughts?

sdb4884 · 01-31-2010, 10:40 AM

This was the Sarah case, I watched it last night.

mattc · 01-31-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sdb4884

This was the Sarah case, I watched it last night.

I'm not sure I get what you mean? The Sarah case? Can you clarify.. thanks.

sdb4884 · 01-31-2010, 10:55 AM

Yeah the husband wrote in the letter that Pamela ran away with another woman called "Sarah".

Why would he do that?

kadrmas15 · 01-31-2010, 12:11 PM

Yes, when Rob wrote the letter he wrote the letter to make it seem like Pam had left with the mystery woman 'Sarah'. Of course Rob never actually admitted to having typed the entire letter. Remember he only admitted to typing the last 4 sentences of the letter and signing Pam's name onto it but he claimed he had found the letter on the family's home computer. To be honest, regardless of what he did there, I do not think it was that big of a thing in terms of being anywhere near enough for an arrest or conviction.

No, where Rob really screwed up was when he lied to Pam's family. Remember, he did not even call her family, they called him because they had not talked to Pam for a while and then that is when Rob told them 'Pam is gone' she had by that time been 'missing' for 4 or 5 days I think at least. Then that is when he told them that the Police had taken a report. Yet several days more went by and then they ended up calling the Peoria, Arizona PD themselves because Rob was not telling them anything and was being very vague. That is when they discovered that Rob had bald faced lied to them as the Peoria Police not only had not taken a report they had never even heard of the case and had no idea Pam was missing as she had never been reported missing by Rob.

Rob did the thing guilty people typically do, he lied too much. I mean it started off with a small lie and then it kept getting bigger and bigger. Clearly he had not planned this thing in advance because I think if he had he would have done a better job of covering up things he did afterwards. I mean he lied and he told a grandiose story that was so ridiculous most of it could easily be proven not to be true. Then on top of that he was forced to admit he had lied to the police. He refused to take a polygraph test most likely knowing he would fail it miserably and while you cannot arrest someone because they flunked a polygraph it would just add to the already bad feeling against him.

My guess on what happened? I say there is not enough there to show that this was a pre-meditated murder. It may have been but there is not enough there. Thus I think had this been taken to trial it probably would have been a 2nd degree murder conviction. I think what happened is that Rob and Pam got into argument, it seems they had been having marital problems for the last couple of years before her 'disappearance' and so I think that added fuel to the fire. But I think they got into an argument and he ended up losing control and this is just speculation but my guess is, he probably just reacted without even thinking about it and pushed her thus knocking her down. My guess is she freaked out and talked about how she was going to call the cops on him and get him arrested for domestic assault and she was going to divorce him and blah blah and I think he just wanted her to shut up and he lost it and started choking her and then realizing he had went too far finished the job. He then ended up taking her somewhere probably out in the desert and burying her. Then he went into action starting the cover up. I have always wondered though whether or not he had help disposing of the body?

mattc · 02-01-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sdb4884

Yeah the husband wrote in the letter that Pamela ran away with another woman called "Sarah".

Why would he do that?

Yes, right! I don't know why my mind didn't make the connection! Thanks sbd4884, as well as kadrmas. I think, he did the sarah thing simply to make it sound like his wife had left him for another woman, hence why he didn't initially report her missing.

Clockworkhigh · 02-18-2010, 12:51 AM

We'll never know the truth. Rob died of cancer just recently and he took that to his grave. If it makes anyone feel better he's been judged by now and is likely getting "his"

But honestly, nothing has come up that indicates anything else but him killing her. It is just too simple. There is no "Sarah". There is the phony signed letter, the fact that no mechanics saw Rob that morning, the lying about the Corvette, the lying about reporting it to the police. He really did get in over his head.

The only thing is I wish there was some eye witness accounts. Something along the lines of a neighbour hearing constant arguing or someone seeing Rob place something into his trunk. Or even something like muddy shoes from burying her. Rob didn't seem to bright, I can't see how the cops didn't nail him.

And the most crucial thing is this: I have never known a woman/man on UM to be close with their family and just take off for no apparent reason despite not being guilty of anything. That's the thing, Pam was NOT guilty of anything. I can see if she was wanted for a heinous crime and never contacting her family again but if she ran away with a woman even if her parent's didn't approve of it they would still communicate. She wasn't a criminal. So nothing makes sense in this case. Rob did it. The psychic, for what it's worth might be the nail in the coffin. I am not a fan of psychics since I feel a mistake from one of them can confuse a case even worse, but this one seemed to be remarkably accurate.

XCalibur · 05-17-2010, 12:33 PM

Did the psychic ever actually say they thought Rob was the killer? I don't remember this from the segment. All I remember was that they gave what they thought the details were, where she was buried and that she was smothered with a pillow. Also that there was a man and a woman involved. I don't remember the segment giving any information on who the psychic actually thought the man was if anyone.

Either way, I think that guy was involved. He was just caught in way to many lies and to much suspicous behaviour not to be.

01-04-2010, 08:49 PM	#1
Zoneboy RIP, I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU :( Moderator Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 13, 2003 Location: AT HOME WISHING ALL THIS WAS JUST A DREAM AND THAT I'LL WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE. Posts: 34,437	Pamela Page: Mystery Deepens in Woman's Disappearance 20 Years Ago Pamela Jane Frisby Page disappeared 20 years ago from her home in the 6700 block of West Shangri La Road in Peoria, but her family has never given up looking for her. Link Last week, Pamela's family, who live in Arkansas, were dealt a devastating blow, when they received word that Pamela's husband, Robert Page, had died of cancer over the Christmas holiday. “We have always thought that Rob had something to do with her disappearance,” said Pamela's sister, Jimmie Rice. “We had no idea he had cancer until I received a phone call this week from my brother, Willie, who was married to Rob's sister, Bettina, that Rob had died. Now we may never know what happened to her.” Pamela was last seen at 8:30 p.m. July 21, 1989 by an employee at her business, Fast Forward Video at the corner of Peoria and 67th avenues. After Pamela's family had not heard from her, they contacted Rob, who informed them she had left him and read them a two-page letter he said she had written him. “He later admitted he wrote the letter on a computer and signed it,” Rice said. As time passed, a lot of things Rob told them just didn't add up. “Rob told us the police would not take a missing persons report from him because Pam had left him, but when we drove to Arizona and arrived at the police station, they had never heard of him,” Rice said. He told Pam's family that he and a friend had found her missing Corvette at a Winchell's Donut Shop; however, a witness later reported seeing Rob park the car there and leave in a taxi that he had called from a nearby parts store. “Pam had two Dachshunds who were raised together and were her babies. She would never separate them, but one of the dogs was missing with her and the other was not,” Rice said. Over the years, police have continued to look for leads and in 1998-99, brought in expensive ground penetrating radar equipment and excavated the back yard, but turned up nothing. In 1991, Rice visited a psychic, who described Pam's two story home and said she had a vision of Pam being strangled in an upstairs bedroom, put in the trunk of a car and buried down a deep incline in Coolidge. In the early 1990s, Pam's disappearance was featured on the television show “Unsolved Mysteries” and her picture is posted on the missing adult Web site, www.theyaremissed.org. Last July, on the 20th year of Pam's disappearance, Rice, 61, her sister, Judy Stuttle, 60, and their parents, Willie, 83, and Mary, 85, drove to Peoria and walked through the neighborhood where Pam lived handing out fliers hoping to turn up clues. “We believe it is possible that Rob may have told his sister, Bettina, something on his deathbed, but she is not talking to us, and we have no access to search the house in case he may have left a note or something behind,” Rice said. According to the Peoria Police Department's Cold Case Web site, “Foul play is strongly suspected.” Rice said Rob's next of kin are his sisters, Bettina, who lives in Arkansas and Patty Sue who lives in Dallas and that he has a girlfriend taking care of the final arrangements. Rice said her elderly parents desperately want closure on the disappearance of Pam, the youngest of their eight children, before they pass on. “Now my mom and dad, and our family may never know where Pamela is,” Rice said.
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01-31-2010, 07:19 AM	#2
mattc Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 16, 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 273	Just noticed this article.. I'm surprised this case doesn't get more play on the boards here. I guess it's such an obvious case there's not much to discuss. I did want to point out something I found interesting in the article. First: Did I read this correctly? Pam was married to Rob, and at one point Pam's brother was married to Rob's sister? Wow.. kind of strange really. Second: I didn't remember UM specifically mentioning that Rob told Pam's family he had tried to report her missing but they wouldn't take it since she supposedly left with another woman. UM did say they were surprised that he hadn't reported it, but this adds even more deception as he actually openly lied to their faces about it. Third: The one thing that has always made me hesitate just a tad was the fact that one of the dogs went missing too. The only thing I can come up with is that, in the argument or killing, one of the dogs was hurt, and Rob had to either kill it or give it away so it wouldn't be suspicious, b/c why in the world would he randomly kill one dog for no reason? Both, I can understand, if he simply wanted to move on with a totally new life and no responsibility, but just one? Finally, I wonder if the $60,000 dollars ever turned up, or if the police were able to find out if Rob ended up having the money himself, or if he purchased something out of the ordinary? I feel that if it could be shown that he claimed his wife stole the money, and then it turned out he had it the whole time, that would have been strong evidence to go to trial. Anyway, and thoughts?

01-31-2010, 10:40 AM	#3
sdb4884 UM Meme Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 01, 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,234	This was the Sarah case, I watched it last night.

01-31-2010, 10:55 AM	#5
sdb4884 UM Meme Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 01, 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,234	Yeah the husband wrote in the letter that Pamela ran away with another woman called "Sarah". Why would he do that?

01-31-2010, 12:11 PM	#6
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Yes, when Rob wrote the letter he wrote the letter to make it seem like Pam had left with the mystery woman 'Sarah'. Of course Rob never actually admitted to having typed the entire letter. Remember he only admitted to typing the last 4 sentences of the letter and signing Pam's name onto it but he claimed he had found the letter on the family's home computer. To be honest, regardless of what he did there, I do not think it was that big of a thing in terms of being anywhere near enough for an arrest or conviction. No, where Rob really screwed up was when he lied to Pam's family. Remember, he did not even call her family, they called him because they had not talked to Pam for a while and then that is when Rob told them 'Pam is gone' she had by that time been 'missing' for 4 or 5 days I think at least. Then that is when he told them that the Police had taken a report. Yet several days more went by and then they ended up calling the Peoria, Arizona PD themselves because Rob was not telling them anything and was being very vague. That is when they discovered that Rob had bald faced lied to them as the Peoria Police not only had not taken a report they had never even heard of the case and had no idea Pam was missing as she had never been reported missing by Rob. Rob did the thing guilty people typically do, he lied too much. I mean it started off with a small lie and then it kept getting bigger and bigger. Clearly he had not planned this thing in advance because I think if he had he would have done a better job of covering up things he did afterwards. I mean he lied and he told a grandiose story that was so ridiculous most of it could easily be proven not to be true. Then on top of that he was forced to admit he had lied to the police. He refused to take a polygraph test most likely knowing he would fail it miserably and while you cannot arrest someone because they flunked a polygraph it would just add to the already bad feeling against him. My guess on what happened? I say there is not enough there to show that this was a pre-meditated murder. It may have been but there is not enough there. Thus I think had this been taken to trial it probably would have been a 2nd degree murder conviction. I think what happened is that Rob and Pam got into argument, it seems they had been having marital problems for the last couple of years before her 'disappearance' and so I think that added fuel to the fire. But I think they got into an argument and he ended up losing control and this is just speculation but my guess is, he probably just reacted without even thinking about it and pushed her thus knocking her down. My guess is she freaked out and talked about how she was going to call the cops on him and get him arrested for domestic assault and she was going to divorce him and blah blah and I think he just wanted her to shut up and he lost it and started choking her and then realizing he had went too far finished the job. He then ended up taking her somewhere probably out in the desert and burying her. Then he went into action starting the cover up. I have always wondered though whether or not he had help disposing of the body?

02-18-2010, 12:51 AM	#8
Clockworkhigh Member Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 29, 2009 Posts: 604	We'll never know the truth. Rob died of cancer just recently and he took that to his grave. If it makes anyone feel better he's been judged by now and is likely getting "his" But honestly, nothing has come up that indicates anything else but him killing her. It is just too simple. There is no "Sarah". There is the phony signed letter, the fact that no mechanics saw Rob that morning, the lying about the Corvette, the lying about reporting it to the police. He really did get in over his head. The only thing is I wish there was some eye witness accounts. Something along the lines of a neighbour hearing constant arguing or someone seeing Rob place something into his trunk. Or even something like muddy shoes from burying her. Rob didn't seem to bright, I can't see how the cops didn't nail him. And the most crucial thing is this: I have never known a woman/man on UM to be close with their family and just take off for no apparent reason despite not being guilty of anything. That's the thing, Pam was NOT guilty of anything. I can see if she was wanted for a heinous crime and never contacting her family again but if she ran away with a woman even if her parent's didn't approve of it they would still communicate. She wasn't a criminal. So nothing makes sense in this case. Rob did it. The psychic, for what it's worth might be the nail in the coffin. I am not a fan of psychics since I feel a mistake from one of them can confuse a case even worse, but this one seemed to be remarkably accurate.

05-17-2010, 12:33 PM	#9
XCalibur Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 16, 2010 Location: Belfast, Va Posts: 986	Did the psychic ever actually say they thought Rob was the killer? I don't remember this from the segment. All I remember was that they gave what they thought the details were, where she was buried and that she was smothered with a pillow. Also that there was a man and a woman involved. I don't remember the segment giving any information on who the psychic actually thought the man was if anyone. Either way, I think that guy was involved. He was just caught in way to many lies and to much suspicous behaviour not to be.