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TwoShades · 12-13-2009, 12:13 PM

Does anyone remember an old episode of UM, where a couple had drove down to Ten Killer Lake and both got out of the car and walked down to the beach. There the woman, who was obviously pregnant, went into labor. As soon as the child was born, the man turned around and tossed the child into the lake, dragged the woman back up to the car, and then drove off.

Witnesses in a boat, saw the whole thing but were unable to do anything to stop it. The guy was described as a tall Indian and the woman as a dark blond Caucasian. This episode stated that it happened sometime around 1989-90.

The reason I was asking was, back at the time I was staying in Claremore, Ok. and gal I knew had gotten pregnant by a tall Indian guy who was somewhat abusive. She kept her pregnancy a secret and later dropped out. As for the guy, I don't know what happened to him...

A couple of years ago I decided to toss her into MySpace and do a search and bam, there she was! Based on info she provided on her MySpace, I did a search at Classmates.com and read her profile.

In her Classmates profile, she stated that she turned around and went home and later transferred to a college in Texas, later graduated, and gotten married. There was NO mention of her relationship with John nor any comments/pictures/acknowledgment of her pregnancy at the time! She did have information of the kids that she had since then.

When I sent her a 'friend request' on MySpace, they changed her account mood to "depressed". Something I thought was odd since I was one of the few friends she had in college. And no, she didn't add me to her friends list.

Another odd thing, in her Classmates.com profile she said moved to Texas to continue college. Well later that summer of the same year, Terry Chewey, also from Claremore, turned up dead. Beaten to death outside a bar in Dallas. Terry used to date John before he started dating her. He used to give her some savage beating, often going on for hours. Pretty odd string of events.

Now the question I have, do I remember this episode correctly or am I mixing it up with something else?

justins5256 · 12-13-2009, 12:20 PM

Wow.The episode in question aired on 12/18/91. I don't offhand recall when or where the birth and murder occurred. I have the episode on DVDR. I'll watch it and report back, or if anyone else knows, feel free to fill us in as I won't be able to check my DVD until late this afternoon.

TwoShades · 12-13-2009, 12:26 PM

I was wondering if I had it mixed up or something. I remembered it was a real big deal. I was curious if it was ever solved. I went to UM website and sent them an email but they replied that they don't keep up with the shows subject matter since it was off the air.

Kane · 12-13-2009, 03:24 PM

If anything, I recall a "Special Alert" segment about the search for an unknown couple for the killing of a newborn. But at the time of the broadcast, it was established that the crime had happened recently. In fact, I seem to remember the segment mentioning that the incident happened in October of 1991, and that the newborn was beaten to death. This segment did, however, mention that there was a witness who looked on helplessly. Also, it was, indeed, an Oklahoma case.

Corky Kneivel · 12-13-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane

If anything, I recall a "Special Alert" segment about the search for an unknown couple for the killing of a newborn. But at the time of the broadcast, it was established that the crime had happened recently. In fact, I seem to remember the segment mentioning that the incident happened in October of 1991, and that the newborn was beaten to death. This segment did, however, mention that there was a witness who looked on helplessly. Also, it was, indeed, an Oklahoma case.

IIRC the man who beat the baby to death, and I can't believe that anyone would ever have to type those words, was indeed a Native American looking man with long black hair.

TwoShades · 12-14-2009, 02:42 AM

Ok I was wondering... If it was 91 then it was a bit too late... This happened around 89, I was in Tahlequah back in 91. Thanks for clearing that up. I just have to chalk her behavior up as 'weird' and leave it at that even thought I did wonder if that was her and John. Thanks.

Arnold_OldSchool · 12-14-2009, 03:53 AM

This thread gave me goose bumps

joshypiano · 12-15-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Corky Kneivel

IIRC the man who beat the baby to death, and I can't believe that anyone would ever have to type those words, was indeed a Native American looking man with long black hair.

Yes I recalled he beat the baby with a rock or something. Awful!

dynoguy88 · 12-15-2009, 12:40 PM

I know I have this Special Alert on one of my videos but I'm having trouble finding it.

But I found this through google...

On November 12, 1991, the body of a newborn infant, Baby Jane Doe, was found in rural McIntosh County, near Warner, Oklahoma. An eyewitness saw a man assist in the delivery of the infant. As soon as the infant was delivered, the man stuffed the infant in a plastic bag. When the eyewitness later checked the plastic bag, he found the dead infant inside. The OSBI is assisting McIntosh County in this case.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Unsolved_Cases/

I think the couple escaped in a explorer or truck, I can't remember which one exactly. Wish I could find this segment.

Kane · 12-15-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

I know I have this Special Alert on one of my videos but I'm having trouble finding it.

But I found this through google...

On November 12, 1991, the body of a newborn infant, Baby Jane Doe, was found in rural McIntosh County, near Warner, Oklahoma. An eyewitness saw a man assist in the delivery of the infant. As soon as the infant was delivered, the man stuffed the infant in a plastic bag. When the eyewitness later checked the plastic bag, he found the dead infant inside. The OSBI is assisting McIntosh County in this case.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Unsolved_Cases/

I think the couple escaped in a explorer or truck, I can't remember which one exactly. Wish I could find this segment.

I now realize that I was incorrect when I thought the crime occurred in October. My bad. But I was close; I was actually correct when I remembered that the crime was committed in the fall of 1991.

Drakken · 12-18-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TwoShades

Does anyone remember an old episode of UM, where a couple had drove down to Ten Killer Lake and both got out of the car and walked down to the beach. There the woman, who was obviously pregnant, went into labor. As soon as the child was born, the man turned around and tossed the child into the lake, dragged the woman back up to the car, and then drove off.

Witnesses in a boat, saw the whole thing but were unable to do anything to stop it. The guy was described as a tall Indian and the woman as a dark blond Caucasian. This episode stated that it happened sometime around 1989-90.

The reason I was asking was, back at the time I was staying in Claremore, Ok. and gal I knew had gotten pregnant by a tall Indian guy who was somewhat abusive. She kept her pregnancy a secret and later dropped out. As for the guy, I don't know what happened to him...

A couple of years ago I decided to toss her into MySpace and do a search and bam, there she was! Based on info she provided on her MySpace, I did a search at Classmates.com and read her profile.

In her Classmates profile, she stated that she turned around and went home and later transferred to a college in Texas, later graduated, and gotten married. There was NO mention of her relationship with John nor any comments/pictures/acknowledgment of her pregnancy at the time! She did have information of the kids that she had since then.

When I sent her a 'friend request' on MySpace, they changed her account mood to "depressed". Something I thought was odd since I was one of the few friends she had in college. And no, she didn't add me to her friends list.

Another odd thing, in her Classmates.com profile she said moved to Texas to continue college. Well later that summer of the same year, Terry Chewey, also from Claremore, turned up dead. Beaten to death outside a bar in Dallas. Terry used to date John before he started dating her. He used to give her some savage beating, often going on for hours. Pretty odd string of events.

Now the question I have, do I remember this episode correctly or am I mixing it up with something else?

I vividly remember that case. That jackass bashed and bludgeoned a newborn baby to death and dumped her body in a trashbag. It was a Special Alert segment.

If this is true, you might want to contact the authorities ASAP. This could be a major break to solve this case.

TwoShades · 03-11-2010, 05:47 PM

@Drakken
Doing just that as we speak... for some reason I can't seem to shake the thought.

Mastermind · 03-11-2010, 07:16 PM

Don;t know a lot about this case but as awful as this case sounds...it sadly is not that uncommon.

Possible, A sort of really, really late term abortion in the minds of the parents (no joke intended).

As vicious as the fathers actions were....there was a practically to it. He had to kill the kid somehow. It wasn;t like he could drown the child in water. Any method of death was going to be brutal. Might as well use a stone(no joke intended)

I'm not condoning what this guy did, nor am i saying that he's not a vicious SOB...I'm just saying he may not be a "monster" were looking for.

You know now that I think about it...this type of crime probably happened a lot pre-abortion rights.

bell83 · 03-11-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

Don;t know a lot about this case but as awful as this case sounds...it sadly is not that uncommon.

Possible, A sort of really, really late term abortion in the minds of the parents (no joke intended).

As vicious as the fathers actions were....there was a practically to it. He had to kill the kid somehow. It wasn;t like he could drown the child in water. Any method of death was going to be brutal. Might as well use a stone(no joke intended)

I'm not condoning what this guy did, nor am i saying that he's not a vicious SOB...I'm just saying he may not be a "monster" were looking for.

You know now that I think about it...this type of crime probably happened a lot pre-abortion rights.

Give the kid up. Drop it on someone's doorstep. Leave it on a bench in a heavily used park. Leave it at a church. Bring it to the cops and tell them you "found" it. Give the damn thing a fighting chance. A lot of people have the argument of "if I'm going to carry a kid for nine months, and go through birthing it, I'm keeping it." Well, they obviously didn't want to keep it, so give the kid to someone who'll actually care for it, rather than bludgeon it to death. I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you on this one. Anyone who's going to beat a newborn to death is a monster.

Tap Dancer · 03-12-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

I'm not condoning what this guy did, nor am i saying that he's not a vicious SOB...I'm just saying he may not be a "monster" were looking for.

I don't care how scared you are, you are a monster if you kill a baby.

12-13-2009, 12:13 PM	#1
TwoShades Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 13, 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 5	New Born Murdered at Ten Killer Lake Okla. circa 1989 Does anyone remember an old episode of UM, where a couple had drove down to Ten Killer Lake and both got out of the car and walked down to the beach. There the woman, who was obviously pregnant, went into labor. As soon as the child was born, the man turned around and tossed the child into the lake, dragged the woman back up to the car, and then drove off. Witnesses in a boat, saw the whole thing but were unable to do anything to stop it. The guy was described as a tall Indian and the woman as a dark blond Caucasian. This episode stated that it happened sometime around 1989-90. The reason I was asking was, back at the time I was staying in Claremore, Ok. and gal I knew had gotten pregnant by a tall Indian guy who was somewhat abusive. She kept her pregnancy a secret and later dropped out. As for the guy, I don't know what happened to him... A couple of years ago I decided to toss her into MySpace and do a search and bam, there she was! Based on info she provided on her MySpace, I did a search at Classmates.com and read her profile. In her Classmates profile, she stated that she turned around and went home and later transferred to a college in Texas, later graduated, and gotten married. There was NO mention of her relationship with John nor any comments/pictures/acknowledgment of her pregnancy at the time! She did have information of the kids that she had since then. When I sent her a 'friend request' on MySpace, they changed her account mood to "depressed". Something I thought was odd since I was one of the few friends she had in college. And no, she didn't add me to her friends list. Another odd thing, in her Classmates.com profile she said moved to Texas to continue college. Well later that summer of the same year, Terry Chewey, also from Claremore, turned up dead. Beaten to death outside a bar in Dallas. Terry used to date John before he started dating her. He used to give her some savage beating, often going on for hours. Pretty odd string of events. Now the question I have, do I remember this episode correctly or am I mixing it up with something else?

12-15-2009, 12:40 PM	#9
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,675	reply I know I have this Special Alert on one of my videos but I'm having trouble finding it. But I found this through google... On November 12, 1991, the body of a newborn infant, Baby Jane Doe, was found in rural McIntosh County, near Warner, Oklahoma. An eyewitness saw a man assist in the delivery of the infant. As soon as the infant was delivered, the man stuffed the infant in a plastic bag. When the eyewitness later checked the plastic bag, he found the dead infant inside. The OSBI is assisting McIntosh County in this case. http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Investigative/Unsolved_Cases/ I think the couple escaped in a explorer or truck, I can't remember which one exactly. Wish I could find this segment.

12-13-2009, 12:20 PM	#2
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	Wow.The episode in question aired on 12/18/91. I don't offhand recall when or where the birth and murder occurred. I have the episode on DVDR. I'll watch it and report back, or if anyone else knows, feel free to fill us in as I won't be able to check my DVD until late this afternoon.

12-13-2009, 12:26 PM	#3
TwoShades Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 13, 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 5	I was wondering if I had it mixed up or something. I remembered it was a real big deal. I was curious if it was ever solved. I went to UM website and sent them an email but they replied that they don't keep up with the shows subject matter since it was off the air.

12-13-2009, 03:24 PM	#4
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	If anything, I recall a "Special Alert" segment about the search for an unknown couple for the killing of a newborn. But at the time of the broadcast, it was established that the crime had happened recently. In fact, I seem to remember the segment mentioning that the incident happened in October of 1991, and that the newborn was beaten to death. This segment did, however, mention that there was a witness who looked on helplessly. Also, it was, indeed, an Oklahoma case.

12-14-2009, 02:42 AM	#6
TwoShades Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 13, 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 5	Ok I was wondering... If it was 91 then it was a bit too late... This happened around 89, I was in Tahlequah back in 91. Thanks for clearing that up. I just have to chalk her behavior up as 'weird' and leave it at that even thought I did wonder if that was her and John. Thanks.

12-14-2009, 03:53 AM	#7
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	This thread gave me goose bumps

03-11-2010, 05:47 PM	#12
TwoShades Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 13, 2009 Location: Kansas City Posts: 5	@Drakken Doing just that as we speak... for some reason I can't seem to shake the thought.

03-11-2010, 07:16 PM	#13
Mastermind Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 1,843	Don;t know a lot about this case but as awful as this case sounds...it sadly is not that uncommon. Possible, A sort of really, really late term abortion in the minds of the parents (no joke intended). As vicious as the fathers actions were....there was a practically to it. He had to kill the kid somehow. It wasn;t like he could drown the child in water. Any method of death was going to be brutal. Might as well use a stone(no joke intended) I'm not condoning what this guy did, nor am i saying that he's not a vicious SOB...I'm just saying he may not be a "monster" were looking for. You know now that I think about it...this type of crime probably happened a lot pre-abortion rights.