I am tired of Suzanne Somers bashing!

[douglasjc]

I sorry to say the Suzanne Sommers bashing makes me sick! Perhaps Suzanne Sommers may have gone somewhat overboard during Threes's Company BUT the TV Show was STIILL a BUSINESS! she had every right to fight for what she felt she was was worth like everyone else
When Threes Company started Dewitt and Sommer's contacts were the same and Ritter made more money. Yet Sommers started to be noticed more then Dewitt for obivous reasons. Naturally the Producers used Sommers body on the advertisements more so then Dewitt and Ritter. I am sure Dewitt was bitter about this but this Hollywood after all. No one says life is fair!
This goes back to the contact dispute with the producers using Sommers sex appeal as part of the tv show, and more attention paid to Sommers by Hollywood it probably did encourage Sommers to overboard with her demands.
That goes back to Dewitt, in most of the interviews I have seen she tends to blame Sommers and the producers for her ill feelings. Perhaps some is justified but not of it. Instead of going with her life all she plays the victim that her career did not go any place after the show. She feels victimized that the producers cut her out of Three's A crowd. I am sorry but Hollywood is not fair she should have realized that.
Looking at Sommers and Dewitt in recent years it is not hard to see who really overcame. Sommers became a business woman, Las Vegas entertainer, sitcom star. Dewitt ended up in a police photo.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

People have a right to their opinions. A lot of us are just calling it as we see it because Suzanne comes off as a self-absorbed brat. I find it funny that you say Joyce is the one blaming Suzanne in these interviews because I have yet to see this. All I ever see is Suzanne whining about how she's so innocent and can't understand why anyone was mad at her, and then she goes on to make some snippy comment about Joyce or someone else. The same woman who wouldn't even bother to make some nice comments about the late John Ritter on the TC DVD's because she wouldn't be getting the right amount of money. What a sweetheart.

Joyce wasn't jealous of Suzanne. She's said time and time again she didn't want any of that attention. She could have had it if she wanted it, she just didn't. And you're saying she plays the victim because she stopped acting after Three's Company? Are you kidding me? She CHOSE to do that. She was sick of Hollywood because she DID realize it was unfair. Take it or leave it...and she chose to leave it. That's not playing the victim. If anyone is playing the victim, it's Suzanne and I could give you so many examples.

No, you misunderstand. People don't dislike her solely because of the trouble she caused on the show; they dislike her because of her personality. I'm not saying you can't be a fan, but leave the rest of us to our own opinions. I love Chrissy Snow, and I think Suzanne did a good job portraying her...but as a person, I just do not care for her and I have every right to feel that way.

[Tiffster]

Originally Posted by *Pleasant Tomorrow*

People have a right to their opinions. A lot of us are just calling it as we see it because Suzanne comes off as a self-absorbed brat. I find it funny that you say Joyce is the one blaming Suzanne in these interviews because I have yet to see this. All I ever see is Suzanne whining about how she's so innocent and can't understand why anyone was mad at her, and then she goes on to make some snippy comment about Joyce or someone else. The same woman who wouldn't even bother to make some nice comments about the late John Ritter on the TC DVD's because she wouldn't be getting the right amount of money. What a sweetheart.

Joyce wasn't jealous of Suzanne. She's said time and time again she didn't want any of that attention. She could have had it if she wanted it, she just didn't. And you're saying she plays the victim because she stopped acting after Three's Company? Are you kidding me? She CHOSE to do that. She was sick of Hollywood because she DID realize it was unfair. Take it or leave it...and she chose to leave it. That's not playing the victim. If anyone is playing the victim, it's Suzanne and I could give you so many examples.

No, you misunderstand. People don't dislike her solely because of the trouble she caused on the show; they dislike her because of her personality. I'm not saying you can't be a fan, but leave the rest of us to our own opinions. I love Chrissy Snow, and I think Suzanne did a good job portraying her...but as a person, I just do not care for her and I have every right to feel that way.

thank you. could'nt agree anymore

[douglasjc]

Originally Posted by *Pleasant Tomorrow*

People have a right to their opinions. A lot of us are just calling it as we see it because Suzanne comes off as a self-absorbed brat. I find it funny that you say Joyce is the one blaming Suzanne in these interviews because I have yet to see this. All I ever see is Suzanne whining about how she's so innocent and can't understand why anyone was mad at her, and then she goes on to make some snippy comment about Joyce or someone else. The same woman who wouldn't even bother to make some nice comments about the late John Ritter on the TC DVD's because she wouldn't be getting the right amount of money. What a sweetheart.

Joyce wasn't jealous of Suzanne. She's said time and time again she didn't want any of that attention. She could have had it if she wanted it, she just didn't. And you're saying she plays the victim because she stopped acting after Three's Company? Are you kidding me? She CHOSE to do that. She was sick of Hollywood because she DID realize it was unfair. Take it or leave it...and she chose to leave it. That's not playing the victim. If anyone is playing the victim, it's Suzanne and I could give you so many examples.

No, you misunderstand. People don't dislike her solely because of the trouble she caused on the show; they dislike her because of her personality. I'm not saying you can't be a fan, but leave the rest of us to our own opinions. I love Chrissy Snow, and I think Suzanne did a good job portraying her...but as a person, I just do not care for her and I have every right to feel that way.

I do not know what interviews that you watched with Joyce Dewitt but from the interviews I have seen including the Hollywood True Story (1998). Joyce comes off as a bitter person and attacks suzanne sommers and the show. I never claimed Suzanne Sommers was perfect and innocent in the Three's Company feud. She should NOT be blamed for the whole mess that started with inequalties in the show. The producers set up the contact system unfair to the people involved in the show especially giving more money to Ritter. The producers later came to use Sommer's sex appeal to sell the show through advertisements and commercials. This feud was started by how the show was set up and run. Still Hollywood is a cut throat town and if you cannot stomach it stay away.

[douglasjc]

Originally Posted by *Pleasant Tomorrow*

People have a right to their opinions. A lot of us are just calling it as we see it because Suzanne comes off as a self-absorbed brat. I find it funny that you say Joyce is the one blaming Suzanne in these interviews because I have yet to see this. All I ever see is Suzanne whining about how she's so innocent and can't understand why anyone was mad at her, and then she goes on to make some snippy comment about Joyce or someone else. The same woman who wouldn't even bother to make some nice comments about the late John Ritter on the TC DVD's because she wouldn't be getting the right amount of money. What a sweetheart.

Joyce wasn't jealous of Suzanne. She's said time and time again she didn't want any of that attention. She could have had it if she wanted it, she just didn't. And you're saying she plays the victim because she stopped acting after Three's Company? Are you kidding me? She CHOSE to do that. She was sick of Hollywood because she DID realize it was unfair. Take it or leave it...and she chose to leave it. That's not playing the victim. If anyone is playing the victim, it's Suzanne and I could give you so many examples.

No, you misunderstand. People don't dislike her solely because of the trouble she caused on the show; they dislike her because of her personality. I'm not saying you can't be a fan, but leave the rest of us to our own opinions. I love Chrissy Snow, and I think Suzanne did a good job portraying her...but as a person, I just do not care for her and I have every right to feel that way.

I almost forgot but Ritter was also known to have made crude jokes about sommer's body.

[Mr. Television]

Originally Posted by douglasjc

I sorry to say the Suzanne Sommers bashing makes me sick! Perhaps Suzanne Sommers may have gone somewhat overboard during Threes's Company BUT the TV Show was STIILL a BUSINESS! she had every right to fight for what she felt she was was worth like everyone else
When Threes Company started Dewitt and Sommer's contacts were the same and Ritter made more money. Yet Sommers started to be noticed more then Dewitt for obivous reasons. Naturally the Producers used Sommers body on the advertisements more so then Dewitt and Ritter. I am sure Dewitt was bitter about this but this Hollywood after all. No one says life is fair!
This goes back to the contact dispute with the producers using Sommers sex appeal as part of the tv show, and more attention paid to Sommers by Hollywood it probably did encourage Sommers to overboard with her demands.
That goes back to Dewitt, in most of the interviews I have seen she tends to blame Sommers and the producers for her ill feelings. Perhaps some is justified but not of it. Instead of going with her life all she plays the victim that her career did not go any place after the show. She feels victimized that the producers cut her out of Three's A crowd. I am sorry but Hollywood is not fair she should have realized that.
Looking at Sommers and Dewitt in recent years it is not hard to see who really overcame. Sommers became a business woman, Las Vegas entertainer, sitcom star. Dewitt ended up in a police photo.

Well I have pretty much given up on trying to defend Suzanne on these boards. It's pretty hopeless. I remember one time some members even wanted to remove Suzanne's photo from the top of the page. . I don't know Suzanne and I don't know Joyce. It seems like the feud boils down to who you like more. Suzanne was greedy back then and was very wrong to hold up the show like she did. I have heard her comment about those times and she doesn't seem very remorseful. On the other hand I have seen Joyce in interviews and she does come off as very bitter. I'm sure she was jealous of Suzanne's popularity back them. She was always the 3rd star on TC until Suzanne left. I know. I was in school when TC aired and practically nobody talked about Joyce. She obviously has quite a lot of fans now. Well anyway, I think they both have issues and if they want to continue to hate each other then that's their business. I no longer care. Everybody has their sides and nobody's changing anybody's opinions. I don't care to read a bunch of bashing either but what can you do? Just enjoy the show because no matter what ,a great comedy came out of all this chaos.

[douglasjc]

Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood Fan

Well I have pretty much given up on trying to defend Suzanne on these boards. It's pretty hopeless. I remember one time some members even wanted to remove Suzanne's photo from the top of the page. . I don't know Suzanne and I don't know Joyce. It seems like the feud boils down to who you like more. Suzanne was greedy back then and was very wrong to hold up the show like she did. I have heard her comment about those times and she doesn't seem very remorseful. On the other hand I have seen Joyce in interviews and she does come off as very bitter. I'm sure she was jealous of Suzanne's popularity back them. She was always the 3rd star on TC until Suzanne left. I know. I was in school when TC aired and practically nobody talked about Joyce. She obviously has quite a lot of fans now. Well anyway, I think they both have issues and if they want to continue to hate each other then that's their business. I no longer care. Everybody has their sides and nobody's changing anybody's opinions. I don't care to read a bunch of bashing either but what can you do? Just enjoy the show because no matter what ,a great comedy came out of all this chaos.

I agree that Sommers went overboard with her contact demands and let Hollywood go to her head. She probably thought and to certain degree was correct that she was breaking out in popularity. She was clearly more popular then Joyce and was more on the level of John Ritter. That is why I never believed Joyce when she claimed she was never jealous. Clearly she is a 1970s icon on the level of Farrah.

[Mr. Television]

Originally Posted by douglasjc

I agree that Sommers went overboard with her contact demands and let Hollywood go to her head. She probably thought and to certain degree was correct that she was breaking out in popularity. She was clearly more popular then Joyce and was more on the level of John Ritter. That is why I never believed Joyce when she claimed she was never jealous. Clearly she is a 1970s icon on the level of Farrah.

Yea you are right about that. Suzanne was everywhere in the late 70's.She was very big. I think it did go to her head but unknown to her, ABC was determined to make an example of the next star who came to them in a contract dispute. It just so happens it was her. The producers even forced her to stay on the show that extra year because they were afraid that ratings would suffer.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally Posted by douglasjc

I do not know what interviews that you watched with Joyce Dewitt but from the interviews I have seen including the Hollywood True Story (1998). Joyce comes off as a bitter person and attacks suzanne sommers and the show. I never claimed Suzanne Sommers was perfect and innocent in the Three's Company feud. She should NOT be blamed for the whole mess that started with inequalties in the show. The producers set up the contact system unfair to the people involved in the show especially giving more money to Ritter. The producers later came to use Sommer's sex appeal to sell the show through advertisements and commercials. This feud was started by how the show was set up and run. Still Hollywood is a cut throat town and if you cannot stomach it stay away.

I disagree that Joyce appears bitter about Suzanne. The show and the producers more so. Agree to disagree.

You're missing my point though. I honestly don't see anyone here bashing Suzanne to death. The thread someone posted about disliking her is the most I've seen of it recently. I've only ever posted my feelings about her as a person. And that's what I'm talking about...no one's even talking about what she did in the past, just her personality and the fact that we don't care for it. Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime.

[janet42]

When Suzanne Somers stopped showing up for work, she broke the rules in her contract. When she did that it gave the producers the legal right to fire her after her contract expired. But this is a free country and we all have the right to our own opinions.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood Fan

Well I have pretty much given up on trying to defend Suzanne on these boards. It's pretty hopeless. I remember one time some members even wanted to remove Suzanne's photo from the top of the page. . I don't know Suzanne and I don't know Joyce. It seems like the feud boils down to who you like more. Suzanne was greedy back then and was very wrong to hold up the show like she did. I have heard her comment about those times and she doesn't seem very remorseful. On the other hand I have seen Joyce in interviews and she does come off as very bitter. I'm sure she was jealous of Suzanne's popularity back them. She was always the 3rd star on TC until Suzanne left. I know. I was in school when TC aired and practically nobody talked about Joyce. She obviously has quite a lot of fans now. Well anyway, I think they both have issues and if they want to continue to hate each other then that's their business. I no longer care. Everybody has their sides and nobody's changing anybody's opinions. I don't care to read a bunch of bashing either but what can you do? Just enjoy the show because no matter what ,a great comedy came out of all this chaos.

I haven't really seen any Suzanne bashing on the level that you're describing anytime recently. Not saying it didn't happen, but it isn't so bad anymore. Like I said, all I've seen recently is the one thread where the poster says they don't care for Suzanne. I don't see that as bashing, just an opinion.

And I also don't think that either Suzanne and Joyce are completely innocent in this, and at the same time I don't really think there's this huge fued anymore that people like to think there is. Joyce seems pretty over it, and I thought Suzanne seemed over it too until I saw that recent interview where she rags on Joyce a bit. If anything, to me that's bitter. I haven't seen Joyce make any comments that directly attack Suzanne like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. I just don't get where people get that Joyce is so bitter. I'm open to examples, honestly. I've seen or read in interviews where she seems a bit bitter, but it's really more so about the producers and the way they treated her and Suzanne as well...not bitter toward Suzanne herself.

I don't know, call it taking sides but I'm just trying to call it like I see it.

[Mr. Television]

Originally Posted by janet42

When Suzanne Somers stopped showing up for work, she broke the rules in her contract. When she did that it gave the producers the legal right to fire her after her contract expired. But this is a free country and we all have the right to our own opinions.

and in the end I do think the cast changes kept the show fresh.

[sunshinefizzy]

Originally Posted by douglasjc

I almost forgot but Ritter was also known to have made crude jokes about sommer's body.

What an ignorant statement.

[Mr. Television]

Originally Posted by *Pleasant Tomorrow*

I haven't really seen any Suzanne bashing on the level that you're describing anytime recently. Not saying it didn't happen, but it isn't so bad anymore. Like I said, all I've seen recently is the one thread where the poster says they don't care for Suzanne. I don't see that as bashing, just an opinion.

And I also don't think that either Suzanne and Joyce are completely innocent in this, and at the same time I don't really think there's this huge fued anymore that people like to think there is. Joyce seems pretty over it, and I thought Suzanne seemed over it too until I saw that recent interview where she rags on Joyce a bit. If anything, to me that's bitter. I haven't seen Joyce make any comments that directly attack Suzanne like that. Correct me if I'm wrong. I just don't get where people get that Joyce is so bitter. I'm open to examples, honestly. I've seen or read in interviews where she seems a bit bitter, but it's really more so about the producers and the way they treated her and Suzanne as well...not bitter toward Suzanne herself.

I don't know, call it taking sides but I'm just trying to call it like I see it.

It's been pretty quiet lately but a few years ago that's all that was on this board...that and members who wanted to see Jack and Janet together. I'm over all that now. I did get into it with a few people...like I said...some wanted to even replace Chrissy's photo at the top of the page with one that had Priscilla and it had nothing to do with just wanting a change. It was because they hated Suzanne.

The one interview I do remember that Joyce made that was real bitter about Suzanne was the E True Hollywood Story on TC. That was quite a few years ago and maybe she's not as bitter anymore. It sounded like hate coming out of her mouth. She was also very angry at the producers of course. I've also heard some people say that Joyce and Suzanne were never really close anyway so maybe the fans are making too much out of it. I don't know.

[*Pleasant Tomorrow*]

Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood Fan

It's been pretty quiet lately but a few years ago that's all that was on this board...that and members who wanted to see Jack and Janet together. I'm over all that now. I did get into it with a few people...like I said...some wanted to even replace Chrissy's photo at the top of the page with one that had Priscilla and it had nothing to do with just wanting a change. It was because they hated Suzanne.

The one interview I do remember that Joyce made that was real bitter about Suzanne was the E True Hollywood Story on TC. That was quite a few years ago and maybe she's not as bitter anymore. It sounded like hate coming out of her mouth. She was also very angry at the producers of course. I've also heard some people say that Joyce and Suzanne were never really close anyway so maybe the fans are making too much out of it. I don't know.

Well those people certainly behaved immaturely, and I (and I'm sure most of the rest of us) can honestly say we don't hate Suzanne...we just don't care for her.

I haven't seen the E THS in years so I really don't remember a lot of what they said...but it seems to me now that they're over it (although, again, I don't know now after certain remarks Suzanne made recently). But I do agree that fans are making too much out of it.