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Blackout · 07-08-2009, 09:27 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/...ames_hollywood

kadrmas15 · 07-08-2009, 11:39 PM

Sad, but not surprising. They did not have any real evidence on him. Shame on the Santa Barbara County Jury that convicted off of no real evidence. I mean not only convicting on 1st degree murder? But special circumstances? Please. At best they had evidence of a kidnapping, but there was nothing there to indicate that Hollywood planned a murder. So now Hollywood can get either LWOP or death although in California death is basically LWOP anyway. Sad really. I would have hung that jury had I been on it, at least on the murder charge. I would have convicted him of kidnapping because by his own admission he conspired to do that so that was not in doubt. But murder? I would have hung the jury on that one. Had the jury not agreed on the special circumstance, there would not have been a penalty phase. Hollywood would have got 25 to life on the murder charge and 7 to life for kidnapping so 32 to life.

Blackout · 07-09-2009, 08:28 AM

the dude was CLEARLY guilty

Thinman · 07-09-2009, 09:08 AM

Whether he specifically ordered the murder or not, he got what he deserved. A child was murdered during the course of multiple other felonies being committed. I am a firm believer that if an innocent person dies while other felonies are taking place, it is murder one all the way. Not to mention, Hollywood was the leader of the group that kidnapped Markowitz. He was just as responsible as the triggerman. Short of Hollywood doing everything in his power to return the boy to safety and succeeding, his death warrant was signed the moment he forced the kid into the van.

TracyLynnS · 07-09-2009, 10:16 AM

Well there's some good news, finally.

marlins3 · 07-09-2009, 10:34 PM

Justice was served. The jury got the verdict right despite a really poor prosecution case. I wonder how things would have been different (stronger prosecution) had the original DA (Zonen) been on the case instead of Lynn. Howeer he did an incredibly stupid thing by giving his confidential notes to a movie production company prior to JJH's trial (about 4 years prior).

BTW, check out this picture of Lynn

http://www.independent.com/news/2009...er-kidnapping/

He is about halfway down and looks like Joel Caylor's bald twin. lol

TracyLynnS · 07-09-2009, 10:45 PM

LOL Marlin! That guy Lynn does look like a Caylor relative. I scrolled down a bit and BAM! his face just jumped at me from the pic.

Anyway, I just can't get over how the officials were so caught up in this movie thing (Alpha Dog is in the $5 bin at walmart now) that they seriously jeopardized the prosecution of a murder case.

kadrmas15 · 07-10-2009, 12:26 AM

Naw, this just stinks. When I say stinks, personally I do not care what happens to Hollywood but it is more from a law standpoint. I have yet to figure out how you can convict a guy of murder when he did not do it and there was zero evidence that he planned a murder or knew a murder was going to happen. Still interesting how Hollywood gets murder 1 but yet people that dug the grave and for sure knew a murder was going down, like Graham Pressly gets 2nd degree murder and at age 17 and 9 months gets sentenced as a juvenile instead of getting 15 to life like anyone else would have got. Pressly is a little weasel with zero credibility and it is just amazing how inept some of these juries are. I am fully confident Hollywood will get this case overturned on appeal. As I said, I would have convicted him of kidnapping but I would have hung the jury on murder because the prosecution did not prove it. They simply did not. I am basing that from a legal standpoint and not off of pure emotion like many in the public and many people here do. I guess our jury system is in a sad state of affairs.

I will say, the prosecution in this case should get down on their hands and knees and thank the good Lord every day they got a guilty verdict. They bungled this case so badly and it is just incredible to me there was not a mistrial. My guess this case was heading towards a mistrial, they were out for four days, but none of them wanted to be known as the person that hung the jury so they caved. Pretty gutless but as I said, the prosecution better be thankful because they did a terrible job, did not come close to proving murder, yet still got a conviction. Just plain sad.

Thinman, not surprisingly, I am against the law of parties mainly because it applies unfair standards. I mean in some states, you could be sitting in a car while your partner robs a store and you would have no idea that anyone was going to get killed yet you can be convicted of murder anyway and sentenced to death. That is simply not fair. Thankfully more states are doing away with the law of parties as they should. No one should get the death penalty that did not actually do a murder themselves. In this case the law of parties is glaring. Yeah the guy that physically did the murder got death but yet the guy that dug the grave and like Hollywood was not there when the murder happened was acquitted of murder and convicted of kidnapping which in that particular instance was the right verdict. However William Skidmore was allowed to plead out and Graham Pressley who was there when the murder happened gets convicted of 2nd degree murder in his 2nd trial yet got a sweet heart deal. Something does not add up there. That is practically unheard of for a person that did not plead out that is nearly 18 years old to get sentenced as a juvenile for murder. Plus Pressley was allowed to remain free on bond after he was convicted which also is practically unheard of for a person convicted of murder to remain free on bond until sentencing. But I guess that happens when your dad is pals with the Sheriff.

browneyes106 · 07-10-2009, 05:52 PM

I'm glad that justice is completely served for the Markowitz family.

Blackout · 07-10-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kadrmas15

Naw, this just stinks. When I say stinks, personally I do not care what happens to Hollywood but it is more from a law standpoint. I have yet to figure out how you can convict a guy of murder when he did not do it and there was zero evidence that he planned a murder or knew a murder was going to happen. Still interesting how Hollywood gets murder 1 but yet people that dug the grave and for sure knew a murder was going down, like Graham Pressly gets 2nd degree murder and at age 17 and 9 months gets sentenced as a juvenile instead of getting 15 to life like anyone else would have got. Pressly is a little weasel with zero credibility and it is just amazing how inept some of these juries are. I am fully confident Hollywood will get this case overturned on appeal. As I said, I would have convicted him of kidnapping but I would have hung the jury on murder because the prosecution did not prove it. They simply did not. I am basing that from a legal standpoint and not off of pure emotion like many in the public and many people here do. I guess our jury system is in a sad state of affairs.

I will say, the prosecution in this case should get down on their hands and knees and thank the good Lord every day they got a guilty verdict. They bungled this case so badly and it is just incredible to me there was not a mistrial. My guess this case was heading towards a mistrial, they were out for four days, but none of them wanted to be known as the person that hung the jury so they caved. Pretty gutless but as I said, the prosecution better be thankful because they did a terrible job, did not come close to proving murder, yet still got a conviction. Just plain sad.

Thinman, not surprisingly, I am against the law of parties mainly because it applies unfair standards. I mean in some states, you could be sitting in a car while your partner robs a store and you would have no idea that anyone was going to get killed yet you can be convicted of murder anyway and sentenced to death. That is simply not fair. Thankfully more states are doing away with the law of parties as they should. No one should get the death penalty that did not actually do a murder themselves. In this case the law of parties is glaring. Yeah the guy that physically did the murder got death but yet the guy that dug the grave and like Hollywood was not there when the murder happened was acquitted of murder and convicted of kidnapping which in that particular instance was the right verdict. However William Skidmore was allowed to plead out and Graham Pressley who was there when the murder happened gets convicted of 2nd degree murder in his 2nd trial yet got a sweet heart deal. Something does not add up there. That is practically unheard of for a person that did not plead out that is nearly 18 years old to get sentenced as a juvenile for murder. Plus Pressley was allowed to remain free on bond after he was convicted which also is practically unheard of for a person convicted of murder to remain free on bond until sentencing. But I guess that happens when your dad is pals with the Sheriff.

why would Hollywood CALL HIS LAWYER AND ASK FOR ADVICE ABOUT KIDNAPPING??

WHY WOULD HE GO INTO HIDING???

use your brain homey

kadrmas15 · 07-10-2009, 07:12 PM

I was using my brain 'homey' I just happened to have a different take on it from yours.

07-08-2009, 09:27 PM	#1
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07-08-2009, 11:39 PM	#2
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Sad, but not surprising. They did not have any real evidence on him. Shame on the Santa Barbara County Jury that convicted off of no real evidence. I mean not only convicting on 1st degree murder? But special circumstances? Please. At best they had evidence of a kidnapping, but there was nothing there to indicate that Hollywood planned a murder. So now Hollywood can get either LWOP or death although in California death is basically LWOP anyway. Sad really. I would have hung that jury had I been on it, at least on the murder charge. I would have convicted him of kidnapping because by his own admission he conspired to do that so that was not in doubt. But murder? I would have hung the jury on that one. Had the jury not agreed on the special circumstance, there would not have been a penalty phase. Hollywood would have got 25 to life on the murder charge and 7 to life for kidnapping so 32 to life.

07-09-2009, 08:28 AM	#3
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,240	the dude was CLEARLY guilty

07-09-2009, 09:08 AM	#4
Thinman Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 08, 2005 Posts: 182	Whether he specifically ordered the murder or not, he got what he deserved. A child was murdered during the course of multiple other felonies being committed. I am a firm believer that if an innocent person dies while other felonies are taking place, it is murder one all the way. Not to mention, Hollywood was the leader of the group that kidnapped Markowitz. He was just as responsible as the triggerman. Short of Hollywood doing everything in his power to return the boy to safety and succeeding, his death warrant was signed the moment he forced the kid into the van.

07-09-2009, 10:16 AM	#5
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Well there's some good news, finally.

07-09-2009, 10:34 PM	#6
marlins3 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 22, 2007 Posts: 474	Justice was served. The jury got the verdict right despite a really poor prosecution case. I wonder how things would have been different (stronger prosecution) had the original DA (Zonen) been on the case instead of Lynn. Howeer he did an incredibly stupid thing by giving his confidential notes to a movie production company prior to JJH's trial (about 4 years prior). BTW, check out this picture of Lynn http://www.independent.com/news/2009...er-kidnapping/ He is about halfway down and looks like Joel Caylor's bald twin. lol

07-09-2009, 10:45 PM	#7
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	LOL Marlin! That guy Lynn does look like a Caylor relative. I scrolled down a bit and BAM! his face just jumped at me from the pic. Anyway, I just can't get over how the officials were so caught up in this movie thing (Alpha Dog is in the $5 bin at walmart now) that they seriously jeopardized the prosecution of a murder case.

07-10-2009, 12:26 AM	#8
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Naw, this just stinks. When I say stinks, personally I do not care what happens to Hollywood but it is more from a law standpoint. I have yet to figure out how you can convict a guy of murder when he did not do it and there was zero evidence that he planned a murder or knew a murder was going to happen. Still interesting how Hollywood gets murder 1 but yet people that dug the grave and for sure knew a murder was going down, like Graham Pressly gets 2nd degree murder and at age 17 and 9 months gets sentenced as a juvenile instead of getting 15 to life like anyone else would have got. Pressly is a little weasel with zero credibility and it is just amazing how inept some of these juries are. I am fully confident Hollywood will get this case overturned on appeal. As I said, I would have convicted him of kidnapping but I would have hung the jury on murder because the prosecution did not prove it. They simply did not. I am basing that from a legal standpoint and not off of pure emotion like many in the public and many people here do. I guess our jury system is in a sad state of affairs. I will say, the prosecution in this case should get down on their hands and knees and thank the good Lord every day they got a guilty verdict. They bungled this case so badly and it is just incredible to me there was not a mistrial. My guess this case was heading towards a mistrial, they were out for four days, but none of them wanted to be known as the person that hung the jury so they caved. Pretty gutless but as I said, the prosecution better be thankful because they did a terrible job, did not come close to proving murder, yet still got a conviction. Just plain sad. Thinman, not surprisingly, I am against the law of parties mainly because it applies unfair standards. I mean in some states, you could be sitting in a car while your partner robs a store and you would have no idea that anyone was going to get killed yet you can be convicted of murder anyway and sentenced to death. That is simply not fair. Thankfully more states are doing away with the law of parties as they should. No one should get the death penalty that did not actually do a murder themselves. In this case the law of parties is glaring. Yeah the guy that physically did the murder got death but yet the guy that dug the grave and like Hollywood was not there when the murder happened was acquitted of murder and convicted of kidnapping which in that particular instance was the right verdict. However William Skidmore was allowed to plead out and Graham Pressley who was there when the murder happened gets convicted of 2nd degree murder in his 2nd trial yet got a sweet heart deal. Something does not add up there. That is practically unheard of for a person that did not plead out that is nearly 18 years old to get sentenced as a juvenile for murder. Plus Pressley was allowed to remain free on bond after he was convicted which also is practically unheard of for a person convicted of murder to remain free on bond until sentencing. But I guess that happens when your dad is pals with the Sheriff.

07-10-2009, 05:52 PM	#9
browneyes106 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 01, 2008 Posts: 6,094	I'm glad that justice is completely served for the Markowitz family.

07-10-2009, 07:12 PM	#11
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	I was using my brain 'homey' I just happened to have a different take on it from yours.