So was this the reason the spinoff "The Golden Palace" failed? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TVFactFan · 05-31-2009, 04:28 PM

Because the leader Dorothy was no longer invovled and the remaining 3 became unwatchable?

catlover79 · 05-31-2009, 04:35 PM

I don't know, but didn't they also change networks?

TVFactFan · 05-31-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by catlover79

I don't know, but didn't they also change networks?

Yeah the new network was CBS

catlover79 · 05-31-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLifeAdjuster

Yeah the new network was CBS

Thought so. Thanks, Sol.

HuntingtonM15 · 05-31-2009, 06:02 PM

Yes, it was because Dorothy wasn't there, but it's not because she was the "leader." I think the show would have been unbalanced had any of the girls not participated.

80sTrivia · 05-31-2009, 08:22 PM

Although the three remaining actresses still had great chemistry together, without Bea Arthur and the fact that the entire premise of the show changed to a hotel location just didn't mesh with fans of the original series.

catlover79 · 06-01-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HuntingtonM15

Yes, it was because Dorothy wasn't there, but it's not because she was the "leader." I think the show would have been unbalanced had any of the girls not participated.

I think so, too.

factsoflife · 06-01-2009, 08:29 PM

I think it had more to do with the fact the writing wasn't as good on Golden Palace. it lacked the heart of the original show. I think the absence of Susan Harris on the writing staff also hurt the show.

browneyes106 · 06-02-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by factsoflife

I think it had more to do with the fact the writing wasn't as good on Golden Palace. it lacked the heart of the original show. I think the absence of Susan Harris on the writing staff also hurt the show.

I agree the writing wasn't great on the Golden Palace.

JL82 · 09-07-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 80sTrivia

Although the three remaining actresses still had great chemistry together, without Bea Arthur and the fact that the entire premise of the show changed to a hotel location just didn't mesh with fans of the original series.

I'm inclined to agree with this. I've watched a few episodes of Golden Palace now, and don't think there's anything so terribly wrong with Golden Palace as a show, taken by itself. I just don't feel like I'm watching the same people I "got to know" in Golden Girls. Rose's character changes are admittedly for the better in some ways. Stan faking his death to escape the IRS I can almost reconcile with Golden Girls. I mean, in GG he did try to get Sophia to fake paralysis, to trump up a lawsuit.

Miles two-timing Rose and not knowing who to choose? Hardly the same character. The guy had his faults in GG, (and if I were Rose I would have asked a lot more questions about how 'involved' he was with the Cheeseman) but he (Miles/Nick) jumped out of a plane and broke out of the witness protection program for her. It would have worked a little better if Mid-Winter Night's Dream had been the last GG appearance of Miles. There they wrote him a whole speech about not being sure he could live with Rose's little ways every day - and I thought that sounded off from the rest of the series, too.

Plus, I don't think the whole basic premise of the friendships works as well when two members of the circle are these guys (Roland and Chuy) that Blanche and Rose and Sophia just met.

ratherbwatchinGG · 09-07-2009, 08:16 PM

I too would agree but Dorothy was my favorite character so I knew I didn't even watch GP because of that.

magellan333 · 09-08-2009, 12:04 AM

Did they still use the house set from Golden Girls on Golden Palace or had the home been sold so the hotel could be opened/operated? I never saw this show.

GeorgiaboyJeff! · 09-15-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by magellan333

Did they still use the house set from Golden Girls on Golden Palace or had the home been sold so the hotel could be opened/operated? I never saw this show.

They sold the house in the first ep.. you can still see the house in the first episode when they're moving...

Also here's a link to all the golden palace eps.. enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/ericbfdl

magellan333 · 01-15-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaboyJeff!

They sold the house in the first ep.. you can still see the house in the first episode when they're moving...

Also here's a link to all the golden palace eps.. enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/ericbfdl

Thanks for the kick azz link!

OOliver · 01-16-2010, 04:11 PM

I think the show failed solely with the absence of Dorothy. She wasn't the "leader" (as the OP puts it), but she was the 'anchor'. She was the snesible one, the wise one, the one who saw things clearly among the four. Without her, there was no anchor for the ship.

I don't think it would have been so devasting (and the premise probably could have worked) had Dorothy stayed, but one of the other girls left. They could always have a regular/semi-regular who was naive and ditzy (Rose), the southern sexpot (Blanche), or the cranky elderly 'mother-figure' (Sophia).

Not as easy to have someone step in as the constant anchor to keep them going astray - and that's exactly what happened to the show. It went astray, rather quickly.

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09-07-2009, 08:16 PM	#11
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05-31-2009, 06:02 PM	#5
HuntingtonM15 That Bothers Me Moderator Forum Star Join Date: Jun 20, 2003 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 11,060	Yes, it was because Dorothy wasn't there, but it's not because she was the "leader." I think the show would have been unbalanced had any of the girls not participated.

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magellan333 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 26, 2003 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 822	Did they still use the house set from Golden Girls on Golden Palace or had the home been sold so the hotel could be opened/operated? I never saw this show.
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01-16-2010, 04:11 PM	#15
OOliver Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 28, 2009 Location: Providence RI Posts: 569	I think the show failed solely with the absence of Dorothy. She wasn't the "leader" (as the OP puts it), but she was the 'anchor'. She was the snesible one, the wise one, the one who saw things clearly among the four. Without her, there was no anchor for the ship. I don't think it would have been so devasting (and the premise probably could have worked) had Dorothy stayed, but one of the other girls left. They could always have a regular/semi-regular who was naive and ditzy (Rose), the southern sexpot (Blanche), or the cranky elderly 'mother-figure' (Sophia). Not as easy to have someone step in as the constant anchor to keep them going astray - and that's exactly what happened to the show. It went astray, rather quickly.