Woman claims father was Zodiac killer

[browneyes106]

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Woma...-44013032.html

[conservativejoe]

I wont believe it unless they get a dna or 50% dna match of those stamps.

[yuppielawyer]

This woman is either a nutjob or a con artist. She claims that her dad had her tagging along in the car with him when he committed all these murders. Um, yeah, riiiiight. A Zodiac forum that I follow has already found about a gazillion inconsistencies in her story. She can add her name to the list of other people who have falsely claimed their dad/uncle/brother/etc. were the Zodiac.

[TripperFan]

Why would anyone brag about something like that in the first place??

[Mastermind]

Well there's DNA, fingerprints and handwrighting evidence a trifecta.

we'll no for certain.

personally, I think Richard Gaikowski, Rick Marshall & Arthur Leigh Allen remain the top three suspects for Zodiac (in that order)

What;s interesting about all three of those suspects is that they are not married or have children. (at least I think that's the case with Gaikowski, two of the suspects were most likely gay)

It's a strong possibility that Zodiac did not have a family or wife.

1. He had a basement where he did a lot of his work,
2. a machine to make the codes and spent countless hours.
3. Spent countless hours traipsing for victims.
4. Had to build and create his "super villain suit" (how the heck could he hide that from his family
5. There would also potentially have to be a serious incident that occured to stop his killings. One that a family would notice around the same time as the
6. with all the letters he wrote, how the heck could any family member not come across his letters.

This woman is either a nutjob or a con artist. She claims that her dad had her tagging along in the car with him when he committed all these murders. Um, yeah, riiiiight. A Zodiac forum that I follow has already found about a gazillion inconsistencies in her story. She can add her name to the list of other people who have falsely claimed their dad/uncle/brother/etc. were the Zodiac.

Let me get this straight..
1. she was in the back of the car late at night when he killed Darlene McFerrin? She was awake, to remember it? What reason would Z have to bring his daughter on this attack, when she should probably be in bed?

2. She couldn't be at Stines. Since it was a cab drive. And zodiac was in the back of the cab. The police did not see a girl with Z near the Presidio. What did he do? Have her get home by herself?

3. Did he just leave her in the car at Lake Berryessa and shoot those two kids before taking his daughter back to school???!!!!

Well, I guess it;s nice that Z spent quality time with his daughter!!!

[yuppielawyer]

Mastermind, she claims she was along for all of the murders. I don't know if she said this at the press conference, but in previous correspondence she has had with some Zodiac sleuths, she has said that she was present for all of the known murders:

1. She said that she was in the car for both the Ferrin/Mageau and Farraday/Jensen attacks. She said her dad told her that the gunshots were firecrackers. She actually claims that Darlene Ferrin's ex-husband is her cousin, but he has openly denied having any idea who the heck she is.
2. She said that she is the one who wrote on the car at Lake Berryessa, and that she sewed the weird outfit he wore there.
3. For the Stine murder, she said her dad left her in his car at Maple St., then got in the cab with Stine, committed the murder, and came back to her.

She also said that she actually wrote the Belli letter herself (when she was 7 years old!) because she wanted to get help for her dad. It should be noted that the Belli letter contains the phrase, "This is the Zodiac," but she claims that, until she saw a story and sketch of Zodiac on America's Most Wanted in 2007, that she had never really heard of the Zodiac killer.

Also, she has given long, detailed accounts of both the Ferrin/Mageau and Farraday/Jensen attacks, including remembering exact conversations and words used. This all happened 40 years ago when she was 7 years old.

Her story is total BS.

personally, I think Richard Gaikowski, Rick Marshall & Arthur Leigh Allen remain the top three suspects for Zodiac (in that order)

Gaikowski, eh? Do you ever read the Zodiackiller.com forums?

[Mastermind]

Her story is total BS.

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personally, I think Richard Gaikowski, Rick Marshall & Arthur Leigh Allen remain the top three suspects for Zodiac (in that order)

Gaikowski, eh? Do you ever read the Zodiackiller.com forums?

I'm an active member.

I haven;t gone so far as to join Tom Voigt on his San Fran expeditions but I follow them and chime in every now and then.

[yuppielawyer]

Ahhh, I see. Me, too. I hadn't been around in a while, but when I saw this news, I knew they would be buzzing about it.

[yuppielawyer]

As if there wasn't already enough to disbelieve this woman's story, apparently, she has previously claimed to be the illegitimate love child of JFK who was, coincidentally, at the Ambassador Hotel with RFK and Rose Kennedy just before RFK was assassinated--so she ties in with another unsolved mystery!

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/...e_zodiacjf.php

[Mastermind]

As if there wasn't already enough to disbelieve this woman's story, apparently, she has previously claimed to be the illegitimate love child of JFK who was, coincidentally, at the Ambassador Hotel with RFK and Rose Kennedy just before RFK was assassinated--so she ties in with another unsolved mystery!

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/...e_zodiacjf.php

Next she'll be saying Z is a decendant of the Roswell aliens. A third mystery solved!!!!

Does this wacko girl at least have a basement in her old house?


OT-It is worth pointing out that the last Zodiac victim Paul Stine was at a mental institution for a time.

It's being discussed amongst the Zkiller forum as to whether Stine may have met Z while at this institution.

IMHO, The Stine killing is the most important murder in the case. (especially since we can;t really pinpoint his first murder)

[yuppielawyer]

It's such a hard case because we don't know how many other murders he may have been responsible for. If you believe that the confirmed victims are the only ones, then Stine's case certainly stands out as all three of his other attacks involved couples. It was also the only case to happen right in the middle of a big city, contrasted with the somewhat more secluded locations of the others. It almost seemed to me like his "thing" was to attack the couples either because he believed they were being sinful or out of his own frustration with not having been able to establish relationships with women, and his murder of Stine was just done to get a bunch of publicity. That murder was committed right in San Francisco and he used that murder to conclusively announce himself by sending pieces of Stine's shirt to the media.

[Mastermind]

Originally Posted by yuppielawyer

It's such a hard case because we don't know how many other murders he may have been responsible for. If you believe that the confirmed victims are the only ones, then Stine's case certainly stands out as all three of his other attacks involved couples. It was also the only case to happen right in the middle of a big city, contrasted with the somewhat more secluded locations of the others. It almost seemed to me like his "thing" was to attack the couples either because he believed they were being sinful or out of his own frustration with not having been able to establish relationships with women, and his murder of Stine was just done to get a bunch of publicity. That murder was committed right in San Francisco and he used that murder to conclusively announce himself by sending pieces of Stine's shirt to the media.

I personally think that Zodiac could care less about murdering people as much as announcing the fact that he murdered people.

That's why I don;t think he would kill other people after the Stine killing, because it would defeat the purpose of writing the letters. What;s the fun of killing these people if nobody knows about it.

To me once Stine was killed, Z was all about the letters and taking credit fror crimes he didn;t commit.

Z was the ultimate publicity whore of the century.

[yuppielawyer]

I largely agree with you on that count, Mastermind. And if it's true that Zodiac got off on the publicity more than on the murders themselves, then it makes sense how a serial killer could suddenly just stop killing (without the explanation of having died). He must love the fact that people have spent years trying to link so many other murders to him without him having to actually kill anyone else.

Out of curiosity, which murders do you think Z was responsible for? Any beyond the confirmed victims?

[Mastermind]

Out of curiosity, which murders do you think Z was responsible for? Any beyond the confirmed victims?

I pretty much stick to the confimed killings. (Blue Rock Springs, Lake Herman Road, Lake Berryessa, San Francisco)

I don't believe the following were Zodiac incidents

1. Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards (a couple killed in 1963, done via the same style as the first three Z killings) It's a huge leap that Z killed once in 1963, then started up again in 1968. I don;t believe Z killed continuosly from 1963 to 1968 and only started to write letters about it 1969. I think the reason see did not write a letter for Faraday and Jensen was because he wanted to make sure he got away with the first killing before writing about it. He also probably wanted two incidents to show the newspapers that he was serious.

2. I don;t beleive that Cheri Jo Bates was a Z killing. Mostly because the Riverside police had another suspect better than Z. It is possible that Z wrote the desk etching and knew about Cheri Jo Bates murder. Cheri Jo's murder was most likely another example of Z taking credit for other people's murders.

3. I don;t think Donna Lass was a Z murder. She is a missing person and goes against Z's MO. Also there is another suspect in this case better than Z. There is also some evidence that Donna Lass was may have disappeared on her own.

4. Kathleen Johns was not a Z killing. First, her story constantly changed. Second, why would Z be so merciful in letting both her and her baby go? Seems to me that Z could scare even more people if he tabbed a young mother and her child to his body count. Third, why would Z risk taking credit for this considering that Kathleen saw his face? Fourth, there is another serial attacker who shared the MO used on Kathleen John.

That being said. I don;t think killing people or animals was something unique to Z. He was most certainly a hunter and possibly a military man or cop.

One of my biggest beliefs on Z is that he is not so much serial killer as he was a terrorist. To me, he is more in the vein of the Church Bomber, Zip Gun Bomber, and Unabomber (no I don;t think Ted K was Zodiac).

Z was most likely not interested in killing people so much as he was in using those murders to make a point ( or to feed his ego).

The reason Z stopped after Stine was most likely:
1. He nearly got caught by the police at San Fran
2. The sketch of him was accurate
3. With a murder in San Fran, it meant better Law Enforcement was after him.
4. He may have been interviewed by the police which scared him off.
5. After the school bus and bomb threat, Z had to live up to it and do something other than simply killing cab drivers and couples. Z probably knew he could never do something equal to the bus and bomb threat.

[buckeyeblogger]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

I pretty much stick to the confimed killings. (Blue Rock Springs, Lake Herman Road, Lake Berryessa, San Francisco)

I don't believe the following were Zodiac incidents

1. Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards (a couple killed in 1963, done via the same style as the first three Z killings) It's a huge leap that Z killed once in 1963, then started up again in 1968. I don;t believe Z killed continuosly from 1963 to 1968 and only started to write letters about it 1969. I think the reason see did not write a letter for Faraday and Jensen was because he wanted to make sure he got away with the first killing before writing about it. He also probably wanted two incidents to show the newspapers that he was serious.

2. I don;t beleive that Cheri Jo Bates was a Z killing. Mostly because the Riverside police had another suspect better than Z. It is possible that Z wrote the desk etching and knew about Cheri Jo Bates murder. Cheri Jo's murder was most likely another example of Z taking credit for other people's murders.

3. I don;t think Donna Lass was a Z murder. She is a missing person and goes against Z's MO. Also there is another suspect in this case better than Z. There is also some evidence that Donna Lass was may have disappeared on her own.

4. Kathleen Johns was not a Z killing. First, her story constantly changed. Second, why would Z be so merciful in letting both her and her baby go? Seems to me that Z could scare even more people if he tabbed a young mother and her child to his body count. Third, why would Z risk taking credit for this considering that Kathleen saw his face? Fourth, there is another serial attacker who shared the MO used on Kathleen John.

That being said. I don;t think killing people or animals was something unique to Z. He was most certainly a hunter and possibly a military man or cop.

One of my biggest beliefs on Z is that he is not so much serial killer as he was a terrorist. To me, he is more in the vein of the Church Bomber, Zip Gun Bomber, and Unabomber (no I don;t think Ted K was Zodiac).

Z was most likely not interested in killing people so much as he was in using those murders to make a point ( or to feed his ego).

The reason Z stopped after Stine was most likely:
1. He nearly got caught by the police at San Fran
2. The sketch of him was accurate
3. With a murder in San Fran, it meant better Law Enforcement was after him.
4. He may have been interviewed by the police which scared him off.
5. After the school bus and bomb threat, Z had to live up to it and do something other than simply killing cab drivers and couples. Z probably knew he could never do something equal to the bus and bomb threat.

Hi Mastermind, I really like your analysis of this case. And, I tend to hold the same feelings about why Z stopped. Especially 1 & 2. My interest in this case peaked after Fincher's movie (which, IMO is a masterpiece) was released. I kind of feel this way about the prime suspects, mentioned by yourself.

Richard Gaikowski - As good as he looks as a suspect, I can't help but wonder why SFPD hasn't looked harder at him as a suspect. Add to that, while his booking photo from 1965 looks a lot like the SF composite, I have yet to see a photo of him from 1969, have you?

Rick Marshall - The handwriting. Rick Marshall sure seems like a great suspect but as I have read on Voigt's site, it seems as though police cleared him prior to his death. According to Voigt, a nurse at the home where Marshall was staying got suspicious of him in the last few years of his life (very recently) and told the authorities. Apparently they spoke to him and were satisfied that he is not Z.

ALA - I will admit that he seems like the most likely suspect. But his not looking ANYTHING like the composite is discouraging to me. Add to that the DNA mismatch.

Unlike a lot of people that are obsessed (and yes, I mean that with all sincerity) with this case, I actually want it solved. I've always been a junkie for cold cases; Bill Kurtis' voice is synonymous with them to me. It does seem like there a lot of people that have a lot invested in this thing never being solved, typically for financial motivations, which I find pathetically sad.

Have you read anything about Christopher Farmer's main suspect, Gareth Penn? What are your thoughts? There's a photo of Penn from 1980 that I swear if you give him a crew cut and take away the beard...it is a DEAD RINGER for the SFPD composite. I honestly don't understand a lot of Farmer's hypothesis (which can be found at the Opord Analytical website) but it's interesting.

Do you think this case will be solved? Do you know if the authorities are actively looking at suspects? Here's my thing, I'm a hard evidence guy. All of these theores (ConspiraZ, Ted K, et al) are all annoying distractions. In the case of Gaikowski, a DNA match to the stamps will be hard because he's dead. But there could be DNA of his still around or handwriting samples. With Penn, he's still alive. They could dig in his trash to get his DNA and test it, have they?? I assume Marshall was cleared via voluntary DNA testing, I don't know though.

God this is frustrating...