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Clockworkhigh · 04-29-2009, 11:18 PM

This case has always made me intrigued. If Cheryl Holland with the help of her common law husband needed the money so badly why wouldnt she have just asked her Aunt and Uncle whom she was allegedly very close with and was considered like a daughter to them?

It doesnt make any sense to me

TracyLynnS · 04-30-2009, 07:59 AM

I don't know what the heck she was thinking. Her actions were so irrational.

IIRC, in the segment, she didn't really tell her husband how much money they really needed, which was supposedly a lot more than he realized. (Her drug debts or something, I can't remember.)

Then she leaves her husband and little kids, and meets up with this other guy, either willingly or not. Maybe she owed him the money? And didn't she finally go on the run, completely abandoning her kids?

I'm wondering if she was just stupid or if she was high when she and her husband killed her aunt and uncle. The way the segment presented it, it didn't seem to be a well thought out murder/cover up.

Didn't they say that her aunt and uncle had $100,000 or $150,000 in cash in the house, and that's what she was after? But she didn't get anywhere near that much in the robbery, or she couldn't find it or something?

The extreme violence of what she did, with the shooting of the two people who loved her so much, torching their house, putting their bodies in the trunk of their car and sinking it in the river... all that is telling me that she was a druggie.

That's why she was able to coldly leave her kids in the car outside the house while she murdered her aunt and uncle, and that's why she was able to carry out the whole crime against close family without any emotion. (Unless she's a true psychopath.)

I think she would have been better off to make up some story about her baby being kidnapped and that she needed cash money now, at night, when the banks are closed, because of the ransom demands. If she had used that ruse, and kept her aunt and uncle in a frantic and confused state, I believe they would have given her whatever cash she needed to get her baby back from the "kidnappers".

Mastermind · 04-30-2009, 05:21 PM

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This case has always made me intrigued. If Cheryl Holland with the help of her common law husband needed the money so badly why wouldnt she have just asked her Aunt and Uncle whom she was allegedly very close with and was considered like a daughter to them?

It doesnt make any sense to m

To quote from my favorite show "Homicide: Life On the Streets"

" I don;t know. Sometimes crime makes you stupid."

crystaldawn · 04-30-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockworkhigh

This case has always made me intrigued. If Cheryl Holland with the help of her common law husband needed the money so badly why wouldnt she have just asked her Aunt and Uncle whom she was allegedly very close with and was considered like a daughter to them?

It doesnt make any sense to me

Welcome!

I've thought the same thing. They seemed very generous and thought so much of Cheryl that they would have no doubt helped her out financially. My guess is it was just greed on her part not necessarily needing money for a bill or something but just wanting all the money they had worked so hard to earn for years.

yuppielawyer · 04-30-2009, 06:27 PM

Yeah, I have to say that she just seemed like a cold-hearted, greedy bitch.

Mastermind · 05-01-2009, 12:01 AM

It's also possible that Chery Holland was a sociopath. Maybe this need for money just brought that mentality out of her.

It's also possible there may be a whole different side to this story from Cheryl's view that we are not privy too.

Maybe that whole family relationship wasn't as close as the segment stated.

Maybe Cheryl had a debt that she couldn't simply reveal to her family.

Charli-Ann · 05-01-2009, 01:16 AM

Cheryl's baby was only six weeks old when she did this, correct? I've wondered if maybe she had some sort of post-partum depression or even psychosis that brought this on, since it seemed so out of character for her.

Clockworkhigh · 05-01-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

It's also possible that Chery Holland was a sociopath. Maybe this need for money just brought that mentality out of her.

It's also possible there may be a whole different side to this story from Cheryl's view that we are not privy too.

Maybe that whole family relationship wasn't as close as the segment stated.

Maybe Cheryl had a debt that she couldn't simply reveal to her family.

Fair enough, but to murder them? It was a small town they were from so based on teh interviews I think the town would know just how close Cheryl was to her Aunt and uncle. It's funny you know, as soon as I saw this segment and they mentioned that her "common law husband" didnt know where she was a light went off in my head right away that I knew he was involved, and yes, that dirtbag WAS involved!

Oldschooler81 · 05-03-2009, 10:05 AM

Hey guys, long time lurker but first time poster (not sure why I waited so long).

This is one of the first cases I ever saw back in 1994 not long after I became a UM fan, and I wondered the same thing too! How she could snap out of nowhere and murder the Harveys in cold blood just because she "needed money". There was probably more to it that they left out.

It's even more heartbreaking since the Harveys seemed like they were probably some of the nicest people, and probably would've helped her out if she'd asked.

The way the segment and the reenactments made it look, it seemed like Cheryl was actually the one behind it, and her husband Eddie didn't want to, but relented. It was interesting to me too, how the family members opinion changed as the storyprogressed. At first they didn't believe she could do it (or even if she was, it wasn't of her own volition out of being afraid of Eddie).

I do wonder though if being with Eddie had some influence on her that wasn't there before, like TracyLynn metioned drugs. That's the only way I could explain her totally changing. Even if he didn't plan the murders, the fact that he went with it and wasn't strong enough to say no, says alot about him. Even before then, he was probably pretty trashy (even if not quite criminal).

mphs95 · 05-03-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Welcome!

I've thought the same thing. They seemed very generous and thought so much of Cheryl that they would have no doubt helped her out financially. My guess is it was just greed on her part not necessarily needing money for a bill or something but just wanting all the money they had worked so hard to earn for years.

I think perhaps Cheryl was a druggie and her aunt and uncle bailed her out before because they loved her. This time, they were doing the tough love bit and that POed Cheryl off to the brink.

mphs95 · 05-03-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Welcome!

I've thought the same thing. They seemed very generous and thought so much of Cheryl that they would have no doubt helped her out financially. My guess is it was just greed on her part not necessarily needing money for a bill or something but just wanting all the money they had worked so hard to earn for years.

I think perhaps Cheryl was a druggie and her aunt and uncle bailed her out before because they loved her. This time, they were doing the tough love bit and that POed Cheryl off to the brink.

MissFit29 · 05-03-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mphs95

I think perhaps Cheryl was a druggie and her aunt and uncle bailed her out before because they loved her. This time, they were doing the tough love bit and that POed Cheryl off to the brink.

This is probably closest to the mark. She must have blown through that 150K pretty fast too, since she was found working at a convenience store a year later.

Mastermind · 05-04-2009, 12:21 PM

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This is probably closest to the mark. She must have blown through that 150K pretty fast too, since she was found working at a convenience store a year later.

Which bolsters the idea that there was some debt to be paid of with the 150K.

Oldschooler81 · 05-04-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mphs95

I think perhaps Cheryl was a druggie and her aunt and uncle bailed her out before because they loved her. This time, they were doing the tough love bit and that POed Cheryl off to the brink.

Yeah, I wonder if there's something the segment left out to that effect, maybe even intentionally. Although the family members were initially sticking 100% by her side and couldn't believe her involvement until AFTER Eddie confessed and they started hearing proof. If she was into drugs, it probably was unbeknownst to anybody.

Heck, I've even thought to myself why her and Eddie couldn't have just took out the gun and demanded money from the Harveys. That's still despicable of course, but I hated how they killed them, much less the way they did it.

Eddie isn't any better than she is either, since he didn't refuse to do it.

TracyLynnS · 05-04-2009, 12:32 PM

I wonder what it was that she thought she needed to pay off. She didn't pay off legitimate debt, like a house or cars.

A drug dealer would not have let her get that far into debt with him. Maybe it was multiple dealers? But that's a lot of money. And what about gambling debts?

What was she involved in that she felt justified in killing her relatives?

After the whole mess happened, didn't she abandon her kids and go on the run? I can't believe what a selfish idiot she was. She killed people, stole all that money, left her kids, and then ended up broke and working in a convenience store.

If she was going to end up like that anyway, why didn't she just go on the run in the first place, abandon her kids, NOT pay off the debt, go into hiding, and live under an assumed name, broke and working in a convenience store. That way, no one had to die and the end result is still the same.

04-29-2009, 11:18 PM	#1
Clockworkhigh Member Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 29, 2009 Posts: 604	Cheryl Holland case: Why wouldn't she have just asked for the money? This case has always made me intrigued. If Cheryl Holland with the help of her common law husband needed the money so badly why wouldnt she have just asked her Aunt and Uncle whom she was allegedly very close with and was considered like a daughter to them? It doesnt make any sense to me

04-30-2009, 07:59 AM	#2
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	I don't know what the heck she was thinking. Her actions were so irrational. IIRC, in the segment, she didn't really tell her husband how much money they really needed, which was supposedly a lot more than he realized. (Her drug debts or something, I can't remember.) Then she leaves her husband and little kids, and meets up with this other guy, either willingly or not. Maybe she owed him the money? And didn't she finally go on the run, completely abandoning her kids? I'm wondering if she was just stupid or if she was high when she and her husband killed her aunt and uncle. The way the segment presented it, it didn't seem to be a well thought out murder/cover up. Didn't they say that her aunt and uncle had $100,000 or $150,000 in cash in the house, and that's what she was after? But she didn't get anywhere near that much in the robbery, or she couldn't find it or something? The extreme violence of what she did, with the shooting of the two people who loved her so much, torching their house, putting their bodies in the trunk of their car and sinking it in the river... all that is telling me that she was a druggie. That's why she was able to coldly leave her kids in the car outside the house while she murdered her aunt and uncle, and that's why she was able to carry out the whole crime against close family without any emotion. (Unless she's a true psychopath.) I think she would have been better off to make up some story about her baby being kidnapped and that she needed cash money now, at night, when the banks are closed, because of the ransom demands. If she had used that ruse, and kept her aunt and uncle in a frantic and confused state, I believe they would have given her whatever cash she needed to get her baby back from the "kidnappers".

04-30-2009, 06:27 PM	#5
yuppielawyer Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 06, 2008 Posts: 184	Yeah, I have to say that she just seemed like a cold-hearted, greedy bitch.

05-01-2009, 12:01 AM	#6
Mastermind Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 1,843	It's also possible that Chery Holland was a sociopath. Maybe this need for money just brought that mentality out of her. It's also possible there may be a whole different side to this story from Cheryl's view that we are not privy too. Maybe that whole family relationship wasn't as close as the segment stated. Maybe Cheryl had a debt that she couldn't simply reveal to her family.

05-01-2009, 01:16 AM	#7
Charli-Ann Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 16, 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 76	Cheryl's baby was only six weeks old when she did this, correct? I've wondered if maybe she had some sort of post-partum depression or even psychosis that brought this on, since it seemed so out of character for her.

05-03-2009, 10:05 AM	#9
Oldschooler81 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 03, 2009 Location: Northern CA Posts: 457	Hey guys, long time lurker but first time poster (not sure why I waited so long). This is one of the first cases I ever saw back in 1994 not long after I became a UM fan, and I wondered the same thing too! How she could snap out of nowhere and murder the Harveys in cold blood just because she "needed money". There was probably more to it that they left out. It's even more heartbreaking since the Harveys seemed like they were probably some of the nicest people, and probably would've helped her out if she'd asked. The way the segment and the reenactments made it look, it seemed like Cheryl was actually the one behind it, and her husband Eddie didn't want to, but relented. It was interesting to me too, how the family members opinion changed as the storyprogressed. At first they didn't believe she could do it (or even if she was, it wasn't of her own volition out of being afraid of Eddie). I do wonder though if being with Eddie had some influence on her that wasn't there before, like TracyLynn metioned drugs. That's the only way I could explain her totally changing. Even if he didn't plan the murders, the fact that he went with it and wasn't strong enough to say no, says alot about him. Even before then, he was probably pretty trashy (even if not quite criminal).

05-04-2009, 12:32 PM	#15
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	I wonder what it was that she thought she needed to pay off. She didn't pay off legitimate debt, like a house or cars. A drug dealer would not have let her get that far into debt with him. Maybe it was multiple dealers? But that's a lot of money. And what about gambling debts? What was she involved in that she felt justified in killing her relatives? After the whole mess happened, didn't she abandon her kids and go on the run? I can't believe what a selfish idiot she was. She killed people, stole all that money, left her kids, and then ended up broke and working in a convenience store. If she was going to end up like that anyway, why didn't she just go on the run in the first place, abandon her kids, NOT pay off the debt, go into hiding, and live under an assumed name, broke and working in a convenience store. That way, no one had to die and the end result is still the same.