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Scoobiedoo30 · 01-05-2009, 10:30 PM

I was wondering what was wrong with Vivian Vance and William Farwley

MickeyMac · 01-05-2009, 11:13 PM

Simple they hated each other off camera.

Scoobiedoo30 · 01-05-2009, 11:25 PM

what did Vivian do to get William mad at her off camera.

Mikado · 01-05-2009, 11:35 PM

William was a drunk and Viv also felt he was much too old to play her husband

Scoobiedoo30 · 01-05-2009, 11:40 PM

How old were both William and Vivian.

tdr · 01-06-2009, 12:20 AM

He 64, and she 42 (?) Quick answer without checking.

Scoobiedoo30 · 01-06-2009, 12:25 AM

and I always throught that Vivian had Trouble with Lucy.

MickeyMac · 01-06-2009, 06:31 PM

As mentioned above Vivian thought William was a drunk, and he thought she was a snob, so they never got along. After the show was cancelled, Desi Arnez wanted to a Fred and Ethel spinnoff but neither Vance or Frawley wanted to work with each other again, so there that went.

tdr · 01-06-2009, 07:13 PM

I thought Frawley did want to do the spinoff-- just for the money. And then he hated Vance more than ever because she refused to consider working with him in another series, thus costing him $$.

Larry Surrell · 01-06-2009, 08:30 PM

I remember reading (it may have been on this board a few years ago) that they did get along with each other at first, but in an interview when Bill was asked about Viv he said something like "She's a lovely woman from Albuquerque who should have stayed there" and that comment started the whole thing.

Benno123 · 01-06-2009, 10:18 PM

Actually Larry that comment about Vivian that Frawley made was from a TV Guide article about Bill from 1960 or 1961 when he was on the cover for My Three Sons. I have the issue but haven't looked at it for some time, but that quote I remember reading from that article and thinking, "So this is where that came from."

My understanding has always been that in the beginning of the series the two did get along but one day Bill overheard Vivian say something about how she couldn't believe people who think she was married to someone that old. According to how I have come to understand it, that started comment started to whole thing.

The spin off was suppose to come after the Ricardos moved to Connecticut. Vivian refused to do it for any amount because she could not bare to work alone with him on a weekly basis. She said she use to go through the script and pray that there wasn't a scene of them in bed together.

I think over the years the "feud" has become Hollywood legend, and the stories about it keeps growing. I am sure that they hated each other (two people who like each other don't call one another "That old coot" and a "dried up old [insert cruel word here]") but in one of the books about Vance and Frawley one of the kids from My Three Sons said that he felt by that time the two of them enjoyed the "feud" and getting back at one another more than anything. He tells a story about throwing a bunch of empty film cans onto the set when Vivian was rehearsing The Lucy Show. (Though the feud did prevent Frawley from making a guest appearance on the show until after Viv left.)

Just my take on things and how I understand them.

Larry Surrell · 01-07-2009, 10:17 PM

Thanks for the clarification, Benno. My mis-quote was probably from one of your old posts. I just remembered the circumstances incorrectly.

dawsongirl · 01-07-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobiedoo30

and I always throught that Vivian had Trouble with Lucy.

She probably did, but it always sounded to me like typical girlfriend spats. Women love each other, then they're cruel to each other, then they are best friends again. I don't think if they had any lingering, deep-seeded problems, Viv would have done The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy.

bluthree · 01-20-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benno123

Actually Larry that comment about Vivian that Frawley made was from a TV Guide article about Bill from 1960 or 1961 when he was on the cover for My Three Sons. I have the issue but haven't looked at it for some time, but that quote I remember reading from that article and thinking, "So this is where that came from."

My understanding has always been that in the beginning of the series the two did get along but one day Bill overheard Vivian say something about how she couldn't believe people who think she was married to someone that old. According to how I have come to understand it, that started comment started to whole thing.

The spin off was suppose to come after the Ricardos moved to Connecticut. Vivian refused to do it for any amount because she could not bare to work alone with him on a weekly basis. She said she use to go through the script and pray that there wasn't a scene of them in bed together.

I think over the years the "feud" has become Hollywood legend, and the stories about it keeps growing. I am sure that they hated each other (two people who like each other don't call one another "That old coot" and a "dried up old [insert cruel word here]") but in one of the books about Vance and Frawley one of the kids from My Three Sons said that he felt by that time the two of them enjoyed the "feud" and getting back at one another more than anything. He tells a story about throwing a bunch of empty film cans onto the set when Vivian was rehearsing The Lucy Show. (Though the feud did prevent Frawley from making a guest appearance on the show until after Viv left.)

Just my take on things and how I understand them.

Did they ever show Fred and Ethels bed room at all during the shows run?
I know we've scene there Living Room,and even there Kichen. But I cant seem to remember if they ever showed there bedroom? And I'm sure if we did they would be just like every other married couples from the 1950's TV Land seprit beds.

MickeyMac · 01-20-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bluthree

Did they ever show Fred and Ethels bed room at all during the shows run?
I know we've scene there Living Room,and even there Kichen. But I cant seem to remember if they ever showed there bedroom? And I'm sure if we did they would be just like every other married couples from the 1950's TV Land seprit beds.

I dont remember any scenes in their bedroom.

01-05-2009, 10:30 PM	#1
Scoobiedoo30 Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Jun 27, 2002 Location: KENNER, LOUISIANA Posts: 27,654	Vivian Vance and William Farwley I was wondering what was wrong with Vivian Vance and William Farwley
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01-05-2009, 11:13 PM	#2
MickeyMac Member Forum Star Join Date: Jun 18, 2008 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 19,006	Simple they hated each other off camera.

01-05-2009, 11:25 PM	#3
Scoobiedoo30 Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Jun 27, 2002 Location: KENNER, LOUISIANA Posts: 27,654	what did Vivian do to get William mad at her off camera.

01-05-2009, 11:35 PM	#4
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,886	William was a drunk and Viv also felt he was much too old to play her husband

01-05-2009, 11:40 PM	#5
Scoobiedoo30 Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Jun 27, 2002 Location: KENNER, LOUISIANA Posts: 27,654	How old were both William and Vivian.

01-06-2009, 12:20 AM	#6
tdr Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Posts: 1,454	He 64, and she 42 (?) Quick answer without checking.

01-06-2009, 12:25 AM	#7
Scoobiedoo30 Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Jun 27, 2002 Location: KENNER, LOUISIANA Posts: 27,654	and I always throught that Vivian had Trouble with Lucy.

01-06-2009, 06:31 PM	#8
MickeyMac Member Forum Star Join Date: Jun 18, 2008 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 19,006	As mentioned above Vivian thought William was a drunk, and he thought she was a snob, so they never got along. After the show was cancelled, Desi Arnez wanted to a Fred and Ethel spinnoff but neither Vance or Frawley wanted to work with each other again, so there that went.

01-06-2009, 07:13 PM	#9
tdr Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 23, 2001 Posts: 1,454	I thought Frawley did want to do the spinoff-- just for the money. And then he hated Vance more than ever because she refused to consider working with him in another series, thus costing him $$.

01-06-2009, 08:30 PM	#10
Larry Surrell Ed M. 1918-2006 RIP Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 27, 2003 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 702	I remember reading (it may have been on this board a few years ago) that they did get along with each other at first, but in an interview when Bill was asked about Viv he said something like "She's a lovely woman from Albuquerque who should have stayed there" and that comment started the whole thing.

01-06-2009, 10:18 PM	#11
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	Actually Larry that comment about Vivian that Frawley made was from a TV Guide article about Bill from 1960 or 1961 when he was on the cover for My Three Sons. I have the issue but haven't looked at it for some time, but that quote I remember reading from that article and thinking, "So this is where that came from." My understanding has always been that in the beginning of the series the two did get along but one day Bill overheard Vivian say something about how she couldn't believe people who think she was married to someone that old. According to how I have come to understand it, that started comment started to whole thing. The spin off was suppose to come after the Ricardos moved to Connecticut. Vivian refused to do it for any amount because she could not bare to work alone with him on a weekly basis. She said she use to go through the script and pray that there wasn't a scene of them in bed together. I think over the years the "feud" has become Hollywood legend, and the stories about it keeps growing. I am sure that they hated each other (two people who like each other don't call one another "That old coot" and a "dried up old [insert cruel word here]") but in one of the books about Vance and Frawley one of the kids from My Three Sons said that he felt by that time the two of them enjoyed the "feud" and getting back at one another more than anything. He tells a story about throwing a bunch of empty film cans onto the set when Vivian was rehearsing The Lucy Show. (Though the feud did prevent Frawley from making a guest appearance on the show until after Viv left.) Just my take on things and how I understand them.

01-07-2009, 10:17 PM	#12
Larry Surrell Ed M. 1918-2006 RIP Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 27, 2003 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 702	Thanks for the clarification, Benno. My mis-quote was probably from one of your old posts. I just remembered the circumstances incorrectly.