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The_Urban_Prince · 01-02-2009, 05:22 PM

i was wondering is it possible that Keith was a young Narc? i think it would at least explain the police stone walling the family. You know to kinda protect the family...yeah that's a long shot. but that's the only thing that makes sense in this case.

keith warren · 01-02-2009, 05:54 PM

I posted this in another thread. But to answer your question its not far off.

I speak on behalf of the family and want to say thank you for your concern. As of 01/09 there is no new developments with the case. I would like to clarify a few things;

1. it took police 6hrs to notify his mother of his death. The detective went to the neighbors house told the neighbor to call the mother and have the mother call him.

2. the first paramedic who arrived on scene said that he immediately knew it was a staged hanging and was not touching the body until police arrived. this is a medically trained individual who from first site knew that the hanging was staged. He waited until the police arrived and thought to himself because the responding officer was black that Keith would get justice. The officer and detective released him from the scene. Only until later when he saw the story on UM did he contact the family to give his account.

3. it took 3 attempts by Keith's uncle to identify the body. The first attempt he was asked to leave the funeral home because they were closed for business ( once keith's mother was notified she had to be sedated and her family in North Carolina was called and they drove up that same night). The uncle was told that there was so much decomposition that there should be a closed casket, however as see by the pictures there is and was no decomposition. The second attempt during business hours the next day he was told he needed the mother or father, Keith's father was in NC and his mother was sedated. The third attempt Keith's mother had to be dragged in and once the funeral had her they pushed several papers infront of her to sign. They then told the uncle to take her home and bring back clothing for the body. Now be mindful that no one from the next of kin had id the body. It took 3 trip and 24hrs to id the body.

4. The medical examiner (at that time) has since admitted that he did not examine the body directly however did take the information over the phone.

5. The detective released the body to the funeral home of his choice

6. The tree that was cut down was later destroyed in a warehouse fire

7. the date of death do sent match on the police report and the death certificate

8. From the autopsy that was funded by the family it was noted that Keith had so many chemical at such high amounts in his system (keep in mind this is several years after his death) that he would not have had the physical or mental capability to tie a rope around two trees and jump off another object.

these are just a few of the issues the family has to deal with. This is Montgomery County at its finest!

nohwheregirl · 01-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Thank you for the update (or lack thereof). Do you know that Keith was some kind of informant or is it just a strong assumption at this point?

What does the family think was the motivation behind giving the crime-scene photos to Keith's mother? Was it a threat? From whom? The police or someone else?

Please keep us informed of any developments or any information that we may not have heard. I think I can speak for everyone here that we want to see justice for Keith and his family.

keith warren · 01-02-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nohwheregirl

Thank you for the update (or lack thereof). Do you know that Keith was some kind of informant or is it just a strong assumption at this point?

What does the family think was the motivation behind giving the crime-scene photos to Keith's mother? Was it a threat? From whom? The police or someone else?

Please keep us informed of any developments or any information that we may not have heard. I think I can speak for everyone here that we want to see justice for Keith and his family.

at this point anything is possible. Being an informant would be the only explaination for how the police handled the investigation. The belief the family has about the photos is that someone was trying to help. The photo's are the official crime scene photo's that the police took at the time of the murder. The family has the belief that the police didnt expect for them to ever get out. It is in the photo's that ou clearly see he is hoisted up not hanging down, also it was late july when he was found. He has on long sleeves and tight slacks, also clearly the shoes he has on his feet are shoes which are worn for wrestling. The articles that the actress pulls from the duffle bag in the piece are the actual articles that the family recieved back from the police. If anyone can suggest a great psychic it would be helpful at this point.

lilmissd · 01-02-2009, 11:55 PM

It has been 23 years since his death. This thing needs to be resolved! But unless someone comes forward with information, I don't think it'll ever be solved. You would think if several persons were involved in Keith's death someone would have talked? Especially after so long a time, when they think the threat has passed! Who would possibly go through all that trouble to kill a 19 year old kid and cover it up? And why? What could Keith have known that would have gotten him killed? This case just boggles the mind!

Tish-The-Scorpion · 01-05-2009, 06:42 PM

kinda young to be a narc, but kinda makes sense.

browneyes106 · 01-06-2009, 12:52 PM

Thank you for the updates. Keith's story is tragic. It is possible he could have been a narc. Police agencies do have narcs that you are really young.

LooksLikeCRicci · 01-07-2009, 09:58 PM

I was wondering about the whole "confidential informant" angle myself... it's the only thing that really makes sense. So many strange things happened in this case. I hope the family gets the closure they deserve soon.

Arnold_OldSchool · 01-08-2009, 04:04 PM

There are means to view this case online if anyone wants to see it again

keith warren · 01-10-2009, 10:51 AM

please share how to get the info online.

LittleBeast69 · 04-27-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keith warren

at this point anything is possible. Being an informant would be the only explaination for how the police handled the investigation. The belief the family has about the photos is that someone was trying to help. The photo's are the official crime scene photo's that the police took at the time of the murder. The family has the belief that the police didnt expect for them to ever get out. It is in the photo's that ou clearly see he is hoisted up not hanging down, also it was late july when he was found. He has on long sleeves and tight slacks, also clearly the shoes he has on his feet are shoes which are worn for wrestling. The articles that the actress pulls from the duffle bag in the piece are the actual articles that the family recieved back from the police. If anyone can suggest a great psychic it would be helpful at this point.

I've been obsessed with this case and what was done to Keith since the segment on UM originally aired. Being an African-American male from Maryland his case deeply affected me on many levels and my heart goes out to his family. R.e. a great psychic -if you haven't already been turned on to one already- would be a lady by the name of "Logan" ex. 5089, a medium that's employed @ CalforniaPsychics.com. She's known for her accuracy and details concerning communicating with deceased loves and as a clairvoyant.

nikkispence1989 · 04-27-2014, 02:49 PM

I just watched this segment last week and I deeply feel for Keiths mother.

I hope that the person who sent them truly wanted to help with the case and they didn't do it to mess with the poor family.

It seems a very bizarre case. What do you believe he was an informant for? It says on the segment (how ironic from a black friend) that Kieth did not hang around with black males. Was their a lot of crime committed by the white community and was he spying on them? What could he possibly have info on?

When I watched the segment, at first I was of the opinion that the police where not bothered about doing a proper investigation purely on the fact that kieth was was young black male (which is pretty sad), maybe they didnt want to waste their time with it all so ruled it a suicide.

It still bares the question who did it and why? But I kind of lean to the police not wanting to do any 'hard' work.

MegtheEgg86 · 04-27-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nikkispence1989

When I watched the segment, at first I was of the opinion that the police where not bothered about doing a proper investigation purely on the fact that kieth was was young black male (which is pretty sad), maybe they didnt want to waste their time with it all so ruled it a suicide.

It still bares the question who did it and why? But I kind of lean to the police not wanting to do any 'hard' work.

I actually thought that could have been the case myself. Keith's case reminds me somewhat of another young Black man featured on UM--Andre Jones. Although the circumstances were different in both cases, I think it is possible both are rooted in racism. In Jones' case, I strongly believe that racism was overt and directly instrumental in his death. In Warren's, it may have been far more subtle, resulting in apathy and inaction. It does not necessarily explain the murder itself, but why a good investigation into that murder was never conducted.

nikkispence1989 · 04-27-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

In Jones' case, I strongly believe that racism was overt and directly instrumental in his death. In Warren's, it may have been far more subtle, resulting in apathy and inaction. It does not necessarily explain the murder itself, but why a good investigation into that murder was never conducted.

I couldnt agree with you any more if I tried!

It's so incredibly sad to think if he had been white a proper investigation may of occured. I wonder if his mother ever had these thoughts.

Steve W. · 04-28-2014, 03:14 PM

I think racism played a role in Andre Jones' death, but not necessarily Keith Warren's. Who were the "friends" at the scene that "found" Keith hanging from the tree? Were their names ever released to the public?

I think this is a case where a police department member may have been involved in killing Keith. I think it could have been that group of people that "found" him dead. If those individuals were identified, that seems like it would help with the case, since one of the theories was that he might have been killed by gang members and/or drug dealers.

01-02-2009, 05:22 PM	#1
The_Urban_Prince Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 43	Death of Keith Warren i was wondering is it possible that Keith was a young Narc? i think it would at least explain the police stone walling the family. You know to kinda protect the family...yeah that's a long shot. but that's the only thing that makes sense in this case.

01-05-2009, 06:42 PM	#6
Tish-The-Scorpion Venomous Female Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 25, 2005 Location: LA and savannah GA Posts: 8	kinda young to be a narc, but kinda makes sense.
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01-02-2009, 05:54 PM	#2
keith warren Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 25, 2005 Posts: 165	I posted this in another thread. But to answer your question its not far off. I speak on behalf of the family and want to say thank you for your concern. As of 01/09 there is no new developments with the case. I would like to clarify a few things; 1. it took police 6hrs to notify his mother of his death. The detective went to the neighbors house told the neighbor to call the mother and have the mother call him. 2. the first paramedic who arrived on scene said that he immediately knew it was a staged hanging and was not touching the body until police arrived. this is a medically trained individual who from first site knew that the hanging was staged. He waited until the police arrived and thought to himself because the responding officer was black that Keith would get justice. The officer and detective released him from the scene. Only until later when he saw the story on UM did he contact the family to give his account. 3. it took 3 attempts by Keith's uncle to identify the body. The first attempt he was asked to leave the funeral home because they were closed for business ( once keith's mother was notified she had to be sedated and her family in North Carolina was called and they drove up that same night). The uncle was told that there was so much decomposition that there should be a closed casket, however as see by the pictures there is and was no decomposition. The second attempt during business hours the next day he was told he needed the mother or father, Keith's father was in NC and his mother was sedated. The third attempt Keith's mother had to be dragged in and once the funeral had her they pushed several papers infront of her to sign. They then told the uncle to take her home and bring back clothing for the body. Now be mindful that no one from the next of kin had id the body. It took 3 trip and 24hrs to id the body. 4. The medical examiner (at that time) has since admitted that he did not examine the body directly however did take the information over the phone. 5. The detective released the body to the funeral home of his choice 6. The tree that was cut down was later destroyed in a warehouse fire 7. the date of death do sent match on the police report and the death certificate 8. From the autopsy that was funded by the family it was noted that Keith had so many chemical at such high amounts in his system (keep in mind this is several years after his death) that he would not have had the physical or mental capability to tie a rope around two trees and jump off another object. these are just a few of the issues the family has to deal with. This is Montgomery County at its finest!

01-02-2009, 07:30 PM	#3
nohwheregirl THE Mystery Machine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2004 Posts: 1,057	Thank you for the update (or lack thereof). Do you know that Keith was some kind of informant or is it just a strong assumption at this point? What does the family think was the motivation behind giving the crime-scene photos to Keith's mother? Was it a threat? From whom? The police or someone else? Please keep us informed of any developments or any information that we may not have heard. I think I can speak for everyone here that we want to see justice for Keith and his family.

01-02-2009, 11:55 PM	#5
lilmissd Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 28, 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 172	It has been 23 years since his death. This thing needs to be resolved! But unless someone comes forward with information, I don't think it'll ever be solved. You would think if several persons were involved in Keith's death someone would have talked? Especially after so long a time, when they think the threat has passed! Who would possibly go through all that trouble to kill a 19 year old kid and cover it up? And why? What could Keith have known that would have gotten him killed? This case just boggles the mind!

01-06-2009, 12:52 PM	#7
browneyes106 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 01, 2008 Posts: 6,094	Thank you for the updates. Keith's story is tragic. It is possible he could have been a narc. Police agencies do have narcs that you are really young.

01-07-2009, 09:58 PM	#8
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	I was wondering about the whole "confidential informant" angle myself... it's the only thing that really makes sense. So many strange things happened in this case. I hope the family gets the closure they deserve soon.

01-08-2009, 04:04 PM	#9
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	There are means to view this case online if anyone wants to see it again

01-10-2009, 10:51 AM	#10
keith warren Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 25, 2005 Posts: 165	please share how to get the info online.

04-27-2014, 02:49 PM	#12
nikkispence1989 Podcast and calories Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 11, 2013 Location: England Posts: 87	I just watched this segment last week and I deeply feel for Keiths mother. I hope that the person who sent them truly wanted to help with the case and they didn't do it to mess with the poor family. It seems a very bizarre case. What do you believe he was an informant for? It says on the segment (how ironic from a black friend) that Kieth did not hang around with black males. Was their a lot of crime committed by the white community and was he spying on them? What could he possibly have info on? When I watched the segment, at first I was of the opinion that the police where not bothered about doing a proper investigation purely on the fact that kieth was was young black male (which is pretty sad), maybe they didnt want to waste their time with it all so ruled it a suicide. It still bares the question who did it and why? But I kind of lean to the police not wanting to do any 'hard' work.

04-28-2014, 03:14 PM	#15
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	I think racism played a role in Andre Jones' death, but not necessarily Keith Warren's. Who were the "friends" at the scene that "found" Keith hanging from the tree? Were their names ever released to the public? I think this is a case where a police department member may have been involved in killing Keith. I think it could have been that group of people that "found" him dead. If those individuals were identified, that seems like it would help with the case, since one of the theories was that he might have been killed by gang members and/or drug dealers.