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Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 12:38 PM

Saturday, Dec 13, 2008
Posted on Sat, Dec. 13, 2008
Dallas Cowboys talk of 'dead issue," but Witten, T.O. have words

By MAC ENGEL and CLARENCE E. HILL JR.
tengel@star-telegram.com

IRVING — Because it was not a big deal at all, Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips held a team meeting Friday morning to discuss the latest chapters in a season that has had far more subplots and distractions than wins.
In the meeting, Phillips, Terrell Owens, Keith Davis, Bradie James and Marcus Spears spoke. The point of the meeting was to not pay attention to the multitude of controversial stories coming out of the team’s own locker room, and when the media does ask about it, to say nothing but instead talk about the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants.

"It’s a dead issue," receiver Patrick Crayton said.

It might be, but it didn’t come without a near altercation Friday between Owens and tight end Jason Witten in the Cowboys’ locker room. According to two sources, the two exchanged words before being separated. Both players acted as if everything was fine when the media was allowed in the locker room. But Owens was still clearly miffed.

Which is why it’s not a dead issue and won’t be unless the Cowboys can pull together and not only beat the Giants but make a playoff run.

The issue "doesn’t matter if we win this week," linebacker Zach Thomas said.

Despite the best efforts of all those involved to dismiss, deny or downplay any and everything, it’s become apparent the loose semblance of control has unbuckled at Valley Ranch, and the fragility of a team of which so much is expected continues to crack. A season that should be about what happens on the field continues to be more about everything but.

No. 1: Owens denied an ESPN report that he is envious of the relationship between Witten and Tony Romo.

"What do I have to be jealous of?" Owens said. "Look at me, I’m handsome as hell. … Anything that goes on, I am going to be the scapegoat. I’m trying to figure out how I make the headlines and I don’t even say anything."

Asked if he was cool with Witten and Romo, Owens said: "I’m cool with everybody. We addressed everything. Coach addressed everything. Everything is everything."

Said Witten of having priority with Romo: "I don’t want people thinking that. Obviously I have a lot of respect for Terrell and I think it’s the same way. He’s a hell of a player."

No. 2: The meeting Crayton, Owens and Roy Williams had with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett about trying to get the ball more, and the alleged tunnel vision Romo has for Witten.

The official line Friday was that meetings take place all the time; it’s no big deal.

The unofficial line is those players were irritated at not being thrown the ball late in the Cowboys’ 20-13 loss Sunday in Pittsburgh. They want the ball. Period.

No. 3: Cornerback Terence Newman’s phone interview with ESPNFirst Take on Friday morning, when he said there is not enough accountability by players, as well as the coaching staff.

"When coaches make mistakes around here, there is nothing said about it," Newman said. "They just go and usually try to defuse that and try to put that blame on somebody else. That is one thing that’s hurting us as a team, players not owning up to it as well as coaches."

Later on Friday afternoon, Newman said, "If you preach accountability, I think you should at least adhere to. I wanted to make sure I stated that. If you are going to make sure you have to be accountable for this and that, you have to hold yourself to those standards. If you make a mistake, don’t try to put it on anybody else. Say you made a mistake — 'That’s my bad’ — and go forward."

The issue among the coaching staff appears to be as relevant as the rest.

There is some concern that Garrett is almost too close with Romo, and that in his quest to follow proper protocol, he will not make any attempt to overreach his boundaries over Phillips’ role.

This is in the same week Phillips let slip that he’s been calling the defense at a time when the unit is playing well. In doing so, he contradicted himself from October when he said "nothing has changed," seeming to undercut defensive coordinator Brian Stewart in the process.

And all of this came up at a time when the Cowboys are 8-5, and now sitting as the sixth and final playoff team in the NFC. A loss to the Giants might wind up ending their playoff chances.

"Right now, I think we’re together," Newman said. "If you’ve got a problem, we’re all men, go address each other in a manly fashion."

But none of this is really any big deal.

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 12:39 PM

Ed Werder applauded by Dallas execs? ESPN coverage AFFIRMED by Dallas official website? Yes Ladies and Gentlemen, that's the latest in Cirque de Valley Ranch.

According to reports a near brawl occurred today between Witten and Owens, perhaps finally bringing Cowboys' front office top brass to it's knees and its senses. You have to wonder if Stephen and Junior and other true Cowboy lovers locked the door to impose an intervention with Jerry.

If this is a true change of heart its only 12 hours old. Formal Cowboy media (DC.Com Mickey Spagnola) backs ESPN about the divisive fire in the locker room and now the Star Telegram reports that the Cowboy own front office APPLAUDS Ed Werder's expose on cancerous T.O. Maybe a fresh wind blows in Valley Ranch.

And in that fresh wind blows a white flag of surrender about the disastrous tenure of the Love-Me-Some-Me receiver.

http://www.star-telegram.com/cowboys/

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 12:39 PM

Damn Soap Opera

catlover79 · 12-13-2008, 12:46 PM

Why am I not surprised?

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 01:30 PM

Reading the Zone can give you a headache. Fans are taking sides between T.O. and Witten. Their's other reports saying that Witten is the leak. Regardless, I think the time has come for T.O. to go. The Cowboys are divided and the only way to fix it is to get rid of Owens. No matter what the sallary cap hit will be. I have to hand it to him...he waited until Jerry gave him his new contract. The exact same thing that happened in Philly is happening here. Players taking sides and fans taking sides. Enough is Enough. The season ends tomorrow anyhow. I don't know anyway that this team can beat the Giants with this going on.

catlover79 · 12-13-2008, 01:32 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again - T.O. is the biggest

in sports!!

Big C · 12-13-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

I don't know anyway that this team can beat the Giants with this going on.

Giants have a lot of injury problems. This isn't going to be a cakewalk.

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FSU

Giants have a lot of injury problems. This isn't going to be a cakewalk.

If the Cowboys win this game, it will be a miracle.

TVFactFan · 12-13-2008, 04:00 PM

I no longer trust Romo so I don't who the Cowboys can beat.

Wreckless · 12-13-2008, 04:50 PM

I love all of this. I and even Mike told you Cowboys fans T.O. would destroy your team. He had all those minor controversies his first year, when Parcells was still coach. Now he's going for the knockout blow, figuratively. Love it!

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 05:15 PM

LOL

Wreckless · 12-13-2008, 05:23 PM

^ Who's the captain in this situation? lol.

Mr. Television · 12-13-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wreckless

^ Who's the captain in this situation? lol.

I think it's Jerry Jones. lol

mriggles · 12-13-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood Fan

Reading the Zone can give you a headache. Fans are taking sides between T.O. and Witten. Their's other reports saying that Witten is the leak. Regardless, I think the time has come for T.O. to go. The Cowboys are divided and the only way to fix it is to get rid of Owens. No matter what the sallary cap hit will be. I have to hand it to him...he waited until Jerry gave him his new contract. The exact same thing that happened in Philly is happening here. Players taking sides and fans taking sides. Enough is Enough. The season ends tomorrow anyhow. I don't know anyway that this team can beat the Giants with this going on.

I am sorry Sonny but I am enjoying every minute of this... It is classic ME O

mriggles · 12-13-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood Fan

LOL

that is great sonny.... I was literally rolling on the floor laughing when Is aw that

12-13-2008, 12:38 PM	#1
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	T.O. and Witten nearly come to blows Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 Posted on Sat, Dec. 13, 2008 Dallas Cowboys talk of 'dead issue," but Witten, T.O. have words By MAC ENGEL and CLARENCE E. HILL JR. tengel@star-telegram.com IRVING — Because it was not a big deal at all, Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips held a team meeting Friday morning to discuss the latest chapters in a season that has had far more subplots and distractions than wins. In the meeting, Phillips, Terrell Owens, Keith Davis, Bradie James and Marcus Spears spoke. The point of the meeting was to not pay attention to the multitude of controversial stories coming out of the team’s own locker room, and when the media does ask about it, to say nothing but instead talk about the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants. "It’s a dead issue," receiver Patrick Crayton said. It might be, but it didn’t come without a near altercation Friday between Owens and tight end Jason Witten in the Cowboys’ locker room. According to two sources, the two exchanged words before being separated. Both players acted as if everything was fine when the media was allowed in the locker room. But Owens was still clearly miffed. Which is why it’s not a dead issue and won’t be unless the Cowboys can pull together and not only beat the Giants but make a playoff run. The issue "doesn’t matter if we win this week," linebacker Zach Thomas said. Despite the best efforts of all those involved to dismiss, deny or downplay any and everything, it’s become apparent the loose semblance of control has unbuckled at Valley Ranch, and the fragility of a team of which so much is expected continues to crack. A season that should be about what happens on the field continues to be more about everything but. No. 1: Owens denied an ESPN report that he is envious of the relationship between Witten and Tony Romo. "What do I have to be jealous of?" Owens said. "Look at me, I’m handsome as hell. … Anything that goes on, I am going to be the scapegoat. I’m trying to figure out how I make the headlines and I don’t even say anything." Asked if he was cool with Witten and Romo, Owens said: "I’m cool with everybody. We addressed everything. Coach addressed everything. Everything is everything." Said Witten of having priority with Romo: "I don’t want people thinking that. Obviously I have a lot of respect for Terrell and I think it’s the same way. He’s a hell of a player." No. 2: The meeting Crayton, Owens and Roy Williams had with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett about trying to get the ball more, and the alleged tunnel vision Romo has for Witten. The official line Friday was that meetings take place all the time; it’s no big deal. The unofficial line is those players were irritated at not being thrown the ball late in the Cowboys’ 20-13 loss Sunday in Pittsburgh. They want the ball. Period. No. 3: Cornerback Terence Newman’s phone interview with ESPNFirst Take on Friday morning, when he said there is not enough accountability by players, as well as the coaching staff. "When coaches make mistakes around here, there is nothing said about it," Newman said. "They just go and usually try to defuse that and try to put that blame on somebody else. That is one thing that’s hurting us as a team, players not owning up to it as well as coaches." Later on Friday afternoon, Newman said, "If you preach accountability, I think you should at least adhere to. I wanted to make sure I stated that. If you are going to make sure you have to be accountable for this and that, you have to hold yourself to those standards. If you make a mistake, don’t try to put it on anybody else. Say you made a mistake — 'That’s my bad’ — and go forward." The issue among the coaching staff appears to be as relevant as the rest. There is some concern that Garrett is almost too close with Romo, and that in his quest to follow proper protocol, he will not make any attempt to overreach his boundaries over Phillips’ role. This is in the same week Phillips let slip that he’s been calling the defense at a time when the unit is playing well. In doing so, he contradicted himself from October when he said "nothing has changed," seeming to undercut defensive coordinator Brian Stewart in the process. And all of this came up at a time when the Cowboys are 8-5, and now sitting as the sixth and final playoff team in the NFC. A loss to the Giants might wind up ending their playoff chances. "Right now, I think we’re together," Newman said. "If you’ve got a problem, we’re all men, go address each other in a manly fashion." But none of this is really any big deal.
	__________________ Sonny

12-13-2008, 12:46 PM	#4
catlover79 God Bless Val Forum Addict Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 70,392	Why am I not surprised?
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12-13-2008, 05:15 PM	#11
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12-13-2008, 12:39 PM	#2
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Ed Werder applauded by Dallas execs? ESPN coverage AFFIRMED by Dallas official website? Yes Ladies and Gentlemen, that's the latest in Cirque de Valley Ranch. According to reports a near brawl occurred today between Witten and Owens, perhaps finally bringing Cowboys' front office top brass to it's knees and its senses. You have to wonder if Stephen and Junior and other true Cowboy lovers locked the door to impose an intervention with Jerry. If this is a true change of heart its only 12 hours old. Formal Cowboy media (DC.Com Mickey Spagnola) backs ESPN about the divisive fire in the locker room and now the Star Telegram reports that the Cowboy own front office APPLAUDS Ed Werder's expose on cancerous T.O. Maybe a fresh wind blows in Valley Ranch. And in that fresh wind blows a white flag of surrender about the disastrous tenure of the Love-Me-Some-Me receiver. http://www.star-telegram.com/cowboys/

12-13-2008, 01:30 PM	#5
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Reading the Zone can give you a headache. Fans are taking sides between T.O. and Witten. Their's other reports saying that Witten is the leak. Regardless, I think the time has come for T.O. to go. The Cowboys are divided and the only way to fix it is to get rid of Owens. No matter what the sallary cap hit will be. I have to hand it to him...he waited until Jerry gave him his new contract. The exact same thing that happened in Philly is happening here. Players taking sides and fans taking sides. Enough is Enough. The season ends tomorrow anyhow. I don't know anyway that this team can beat the Giants with this going on.

12-13-2008, 01:32 PM	#6
catlover79 God Bless Val Forum Addict Join Date: May 29, 2006 Location: Bewitched in Ohio Posts: 70,392	I've said it before and I'll say it again - T.O. is the biggest in sports!!

12-13-2008, 04:00 PM	#9
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,138	I no longer trust Romo so I don't who the Cowboys can beat.

12-13-2008, 04:50 PM	#10
Wreckless Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 04, 2007 Location: Banned Posts: 9,406	I love all of this. I and even Mike told you Cowboys fans T.O. would destroy your team. He had all those minor controversies his first year, when Parcells was still coach. Now he's going for the knockout blow, figuratively. Love it!

12-13-2008, 05:23 PM	#12
Wreckless Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 04, 2007 Location: Banned Posts: 9,406	^ Who's the captain in this situation? lol.