FRIENDS TO THE END and other thoughts...

[comicbookwriter]

I rediscovered this message board after being gone for two years or so. I forgot how awesome you folks on the UM boards were! Continue to kick major buttinsky guys!

One of the things I have noticed over the years watching UM is that they sometimes get cases completely wrong. For example, the "Friends to the End" segment about the two boys on the railroad track is so far off base that I did my own research into the case and it turns out that there is a documentary about the murders that wind up implicating the Clinton Administration of Arkansas when he was governor.

The documentary is called the "Mena Connection" and it discusses the cover up of the case by members of the police because they were connected to a drug running operation out of the Mena, Arkansas airport.

According to the documentary and the parents of the dead boys, the teenagers had witnessed an airplane dropping a case of drugs into the woods. The drug dealers caught the boys, killed them, and put them on the railroad tracks to throw off the investigation but the cover up was sloppy enough to make a lot of people suspicious.

The documentary is chilling, thorough, and reaches the conclusion that Gov. Clinton not only knew about the drug drops in Mena, but was a part of the plot to run the drugs through Arkansas. I can see why UM producers might have steered far clear of that story.

I don't have the full story at hand so I can't offer my full opinion, but I do believe that UM sometimes skewed perceptions of a case and looked for extremely bizarre conclusions instead of common sense investigations.

I remember one case where a woman ended up dead and her husband and her mother-in-law were OBVIOUSLY guilty because there was blood in the house, he hid the body in a supply shed in the backyard, and was uncooperative with the investigators yet everybody kept insisting "something else" happened to the woman.

Then there was the case where someone was shot in a blue camaro and the dead guy's sister was seen with a biker dude by more than one person and she also had her lesbian lover move in after her brother was killed. It was clear that the sister had something to do with the murder but the police insisted that they had no evidence other than her constantly lying. She BOUGHT BULLETS FOR A GUN AND THEN HER BROTHER WAS SHOT.

WTF?

Also, does anyone have any info on the Eric Tiramasu (sp?) case where the guy was killed and the sheriff burned the bed? That was a very strange one.

In any case, I hope to make friends with you guys. I love your intense fandom and respect of the series.

RIP Robert Stack.

Sorry, Dennis Farina just doesn't have "it."

CBW

[Dislimb]

Originally Posted by comicbookwriter

I remember one case where a woman ended up dead and her husband and her mother-in-law were OBVIOUSLY guilty because there was blood in the house, he hid the body in a supply shed in the backyard, and was uncooperative with the investigators yet everybody kept insisting "something else" happened to the woman.

That was the story about Paul Pollis, a favorite "local character" amongst us here at this forum.

Check this link out for more info:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=159581

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

Thanks for letting us know about the documentary! People in some powerful places have some terrible connections! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=16638

[MegtheEgg86]

Hi, comicbookwriter. Of all the cases profiled on UM, I've probably researched Ives/Henry the most. I've seen "Obstruction of Justice: the Mena Connection" and found it quite interesting, if not a smidge dramatic and a bit more conspiratorial than I believe what actually occurred---although I certainly believe it definitely was a coverup on a very large scale. It angers and saddens me that those two young men have not yet gotten the justice they so deserve. There's been a lot of threads and lengthy discussion on the case here if you're interested---a search should yield some interesting dialog.

Welcome to the board!

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by comicbookwriter

Then there was the case where someone was shot in a blue camaro and the dead guy's sister was seen with a biker dude by more than one person and she also had her lesbian lover move in after her brother was killed. It was clear that the sister had something to do with the murder but the police insisted that they had no evidence other than her constantly lying. She BOUGHT BULLETS FOR A GUN AND THEN HER BROTHER WAS SHOT.

Also, does anyone have any info on the Eric Tiramasu (sp?) case where the guy was killed and the sheriff burned the bed? That was a very strange one.

In any case, I hope to make friends with you guys. I love your intense fandom and respect of the series.

Welcome back to the board!

That case you mentioned above sounds like Mark Groezinger only it was his wife and not his sister who was seen with the biker and had her "friend" move in after the crime. I've yet to hear anyone on the message board who thinks she didn't arrange the crime.

I don't believe there has ever been an arrest in the Eric Tamiyasu case. I think his odd friend who was interviewed in the segment seems more likely to have killed him than the sheriff. Although his orders to burn the bed were odd.

[marlins3]

The Clintons' fingerprints are all over the Ives and henry deaths. While I do not believe Ives and Henry were specifically targeted, I believe they stumbled upon something they shouldn't (people running drugs) have and were murdered. Interestingly, several people did try to go forward with info about their deaths and they all dies under mysterious circumstances. The Mena drug connection was part of the larger "octopus" as investigated by Danny Casalero (until he wa smurdered in 1993). It is a well-known but not well-publicized fact that Roger Clinton wa sinto drugs and drug dealing. there are also very credible rumors that Bill Clinton was a cocaine user.

A local radio host has called Clinton "the biggest sleazeball" to ever serve in the Whitehouse. He is the only pardoned felon (draft dodger) to ever be President. While Clinton was asmart man, his college grades were not indicative of this (I do not put much stock into anyone's GPA when it comes to gauging their intelligence. Reason being, I have a tested IQ of 167 and was an A-B student throught high school and college. I was a lazy student and seldom studied, especially in high school where I can count on both hands the total number of times in 6 years I took books home for homework. If I had worked a littele more, I could have breezed through with all A's in everything. I'm not proud of the fact I was lazy but am just making the point that I know others have done the same thing). Clinton was a C student at the Univ. of Arkansas yet somehow (paid for by someone else) ended up with a Rhodes scholarship. This was shortly after he was looking at criminal charges for refusing to report for military service after he was drafted.

He also raped Juanita Broaddrick (according to nurses who treated her, he walked into her hospital room and "apologized"). He also had affairs with Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers. Willey has stated teh reason she came forward about teh affair was because she was afraid she would be killed if details were released by another party (i.e. she made sure she was very public, as was Flowers. That way if they ended up dead, ther ewould be larger probe into it). Heck, there is a story that Bill raped Hillary while on a vacation and that is how Chelsea was conceived. I do not know how credible that story is but it came from a former Clinton advisor and staffer (not Dick Morris, but I do not recall who).

Fnally, in 1996, he sold Nuclear secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign money. Checks mysteriously showed up made out to the Clinton Campaign "phund". He is also responsible for the so-called fairness in lending which made it mandatory for lenders to give mortgage loans to individuals with no way to pay them back. This was initiated by carter and was reinitiated by Clinton.

He had his staffers trash the Whitehouse prior to leaving in 2001 and they glued or removed all W's from keyboards in the Whitehouse (a rumor that is substantiated). According to Dick Morris, the Clintons also STOLE Whitehouse furniture and other accoutrements. The furniture they stole was in the Whitehouse YEARS before the Clintons ever got there. He publicly supported Obama but I don't believe for a second he voted for him. Also, I look for the Ckintons to wreck the Obama presidency (again, why anybody voted for Obama -- our first openly Communist president-- is something I cannot fathom. FDR was a socialist but denied it. Obama outright says he will redistribute wealth.). Within a couple years, there will be some huge scandal or assassination in the Obama Presidency that will have the Clintons fingerprints all over it. They will then bring down Biden, paving the way for Hillary to run again in 2012. Just a prediction.

We can thank him for the mortgage crisis. A person making $20,000 should never, in a million years, qualify for a $300,000 mortgage.

Why Americans gave him 8 years in the Whitehouse is beyond me.

But anyway, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Ives and Henry. This story aired before Clinton was President but he was still Governor of Arkansas. Maybe that is why this wa snever looked into on the UM segment.

[TheCars1986]

I honestly don't think any of the three interviewed suspects in the Tamiyasu case were guilty. There was just no motive for the two friends of Eric to kill him, and the Sheriff seemed more than cooperative and open about the case than someone who would be involved. His one "friend" was a pretty odd dude, though...and they tried to make a big point out of the fact that when he found Eric, he called Eric's sister and told her, "It wasn't a suicide...", and they found that pretty odd...but I think in a panicked situation like that, you would say anything off the cuff, and add in the fact that your adrenaline would be extremely high, it really doesn't seem like it would be that odd of a thing to say when you just discovered a dead body with a bullet hole in him.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I honestly don't think any of the three interviewed suspects in the Tamiyasu case were guilty. There was just no motive for the two friends of Eric to kill him, and the Sheriff seemed more than cooperative and open about the case than someone who would be involved. His one "friend" was a pretty odd dude, though...and they tried to make a big point out of the fact that when he found Eric, he called Eric's sister and told her, "It wasn't a suicide...", and they found that pretty odd...but I think in a panicked situation like that, you would say anything off the cuff, and add in the fact that your adrenaline would be extremely high, it really doesn't seem like it would be that odd of a thing to say when you just discovered a dead body with a bullet hole in him.

I think Dixon is guilty as sin.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...=230201&page=9

I would think there'd be plenty of motive to kill Eric, honestly. He was a wealthy and successful businessman.

I also think "it wasn't a suicide" is one of the most wacked out, strange things you could say (and boy, did Dixon have a couple of doozies) upon discovering the dead body of your supposed "best friend." JMO, though.

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

It's more obvious all the time there is no justice in America. How are people such as this elected or appointed to the highest offices in the land?

[TheCars1986]

Wouldn't it be more logical for Don Dixon to say it looked like a suicide when he found Eric if he in fact was the one who murdered him? On a side note, as of April of this year I think Joe Wompler was still the Sheriff so it's obvious the majority of people in the town didn't think he had anything to do with the murder.

[MegtheEgg86]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Wouldn't it be more logical for Don Dixon to say it looked like a suicide when he found Eric if he in fact was the one who murdered him?

I found his comment suspicious, and had he said Tamiyasu's death looked like a suicide, I'd find that just as suspicious. It isn't what he said, it's that he said anything at all. If he'd simply said "Eric's been shot", or "Eric's been beaten", that might be different.

[peachysquirt21]

Originally Posted by marlins3

The Clintons' fingerprints are all over the Ives and henry deaths. While I do not believe Ives and Henry were specifically targeted, I believe they stumbled upon something they shouldn't (people running drugs) have and were murdered. Interestingly, several people did try to go forward with info about their deaths and they all dies under mysterious circumstances. The Mena drug connection was part of the larger "octopus" as investigated by Danny Casalero (until he wa smurdered in 1993). It is a well-known but not well-publicized fact that Roger Clinton wa sinto drugs and drug dealing. there are also very credible rumors that Bill Clinton was a cocaine user.

A local radio host has called Clinton "the biggest sleazeball" to ever serve in the Whitehouse. He is the only pardoned felon (draft dodger) to ever be President. While Clinton was asmart man, his college grades were not indicative of this (I do not put much stock into anyone's GPA when it comes to gauging their intelligence. Reason being, I have a tested IQ of 167 and was an A-B student throught high school and college. I was a lazy student and seldom studied, especially in high school where I can count on both hands the total number of times in 6 years I took books home for homework. If I had worked a littele more, I could have breezed through with all A's in everything. I'm not proud of the fact I was lazy but am just making the point that I know others have done the same thing). Clinton was a C student at the Univ. of Arkansas yet somehow (paid for by someone else) ended up with a Rhodes scholarship. This was shortly after he was looking at criminal charges for refusing to report for military service after he was drafted.

He also raped Juanita Broaddrick (according to nurses who treated her, he walked into her hospital room and "apologized"). He also had affairs with Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers. Willey has stated teh reason she came forward about teh affair was because she was afraid she would be killed if details were released by another party (i.e. she made sure she was very public, as was Flowers. That way if they ended up dead, ther ewould be larger probe into it). Heck, there is a story that Bill raped Hillary while on a vacation and that is how Chelsea was conceived. I do not know how credible that story is but it came from a former Clinton advisor and staffer (not Dick Morris, but I do not recall who).

Fnally, in 1996, he sold Nuclear secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign money. Checks mysteriously showed up made out to the Clinton Campaign "phund". He is also responsible for the so-called fairness in lending which made it mandatory for lenders to give mortgage loans to individuals with no way to pay them back. This was initiated by carter and was reinitiated by Clinton.

He had his staffers trash the Whitehouse prior to leaving in 2001 and they glued or removed all W's from keyboards in the Whitehouse (a rumor that is substantiated). According to Dick Morris, the Clintons also STOLE Whitehouse furniture and other accoutrements. The furniture they stole was in the Whitehouse YEARS before the Clintons ever got there. He publicly supported Obama but I don't believe for a second he voted for him. Also, I look for the Ckintons to wreck the Obama presidency (again, why anybody voted for Obama -- our first openly Communist president-- is something I cannot fathom. FDR was a socialist but denied it. Obama outright says he will redistribute wealth.). Within a couple years, there will be some huge scandal or assassination in the Obama Presidency that will have the Clintons fingerprints all over it. They will then bring down Biden, paving the way for Hillary to run again in 2012. Just a prediction.

We can thank him for the mortgage crisis. A person making $20,000 should never, in a million years, qualify for a $300,000 mortgage.

Why Americans gave him 8 years in the Whitehouse is beyond me.

But anyway, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Ives and Henry. This story aired before Clinton was President but he was still Governor of Arkansas. Maybe that is why this wa snever looked into on the UM segment.

Clintons also had there fingerprints all over the death of Vince Foster. Now some say there is no proof to that but from what I have read, I think there is & no way did that man commit suicide.

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

Originally Posted by peachysquirt21

Clintons also had there fingerprints all over the death of Vince Foster. Now some say there is no proof to that but from what I have read, I think there is & no way did that man commit suicide.

UM did a segment on Foster's death. As I recall, it concentrated mainly on the handwriting in the note, but there are other things, such as the small amount of blood found at what should have been a gory scene, which arouse suspicion.

[colt45allstar]

Originally Posted by marlins3

The Clintons' fingerprints are all over the Ives and henry deaths. While I do not believe Ives and Henry were specifically targeted, I believe they stumbled upon something they shouldn't (people running drugs) have and were murdered. Interestingly, several people did try to go forward with info about their deaths and they all dies under mysterious circumstances. The Mena drug connection was part of the larger "octopus" as investigated by Danny Casalero (until he wa smurdered in 1993). It is a well-known but not well-publicized fact that Roger Clinton wa sinto drugs and drug dealing. there are also very credible rumors that Bill Clinton was a cocaine user.

A local radio host has called Clinton "the biggest sleazeball" to ever serve in the Whitehouse. He is the only pardoned felon (draft dodger) to ever be President. While Clinton was asmart man, his college grades were not indicative of this (I do not put much stock into anyone's GPA when it comes to gauging their intelligence. Reason being, I have a tested IQ of 167 and was an A-B student throught high school and college. I was a lazy student and seldom studied, especially in high school where I can count on both hands the total number of times in 6 years I took books home for homework. If I had worked a littele more, I could have breezed through with all A's in everything. I'm not proud of the fact I was lazy but am just making the point that I know others have done the same thing). Clinton was a C student at the Univ. of Arkansas yet somehow (paid for by someone else) ended up with a Rhodes scholarship. This was shortly after he was looking at criminal charges for refusing to report for military service after he was drafted.

He also raped Juanita Broaddrick (according to nurses who treated her, he walked into her hospital room and "apologized"). He also had affairs with Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers. Willey has stated teh reason she came forward about teh affair was because she was afraid she would be killed if details were released by another party (i.e. she made sure she was very public, as was Flowers. That way if they ended up dead, ther ewould be larger probe into it). Heck, there is a story that Bill raped Hillary while on a vacation and that is how Chelsea was conceived. I do not know how credible that story is but it came from a former Clinton advisor and staffer (not Dick Morris, but I do not recall who).

Fnally, in 1996, he sold Nuclear secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign money. Checks mysteriously showed up made out to the Clinton Campaign "phund". He is also responsible for the so-called fairness in lending which made it mandatory for lenders to give mortgage loans to individuals with no way to pay them back. This was initiated by carter and was reinitiated by Clinton.

He had his staffers trash the Whitehouse prior to leaving in 2001 and they glued or removed all W's from keyboards in the Whitehouse (a rumor that is substantiated). According to Dick Morris, the Clintons also STOLE Whitehouse furniture and other accoutrements. The furniture they stole was in the Whitehouse YEARS before the Clintons ever got there. He publicly supported Obama but I don't believe for a second he voted for him. Also, I look for the Ckintons to wreck the Obama presidency (again, why anybody voted for Obama -- our first openly Communist president-- is something I cannot fathom. FDR was a socialist but denied it. Obama outright says he will redistribute wealth.). Within a couple years, there will be some huge scandal or assassination in the Obama Presidency that will have the Clintons fingerprints all over it. They will then bring down Biden, paving the way for Hillary to run again in 2012. Just a prediction.

We can thank him for the mortgage crisis. A person making $20,000 should never, in a million years, qualify for a $300,000 mortgage.

Why Americans gave him 8 years in the Whitehouse is beyond me.

But anyway, he was indirectly responsible for the deaths of Ives and Henry. This story aired before Clinton was President but he was still Governor of Arkansas. Maybe that is why this wa snever looked into on the UM segment.

Yawn:

Clinton was the best President of my life time and I was born at the end of The Carter administration.

I'm sure your local radio 'source' and his sleazeball comment has an agenda (right wing spin artist I'm sure)

They gave him eight years in The White House because...

Gasp:

He deserved it.

The better question would be why did we give Bush one term, let alone two.....

Bill Clinton will go down as one of the better Presidents in American History, despite the attempts of people to make it not happen. You can bank on that one.

That's all I'm going to say about it though, this isn't a political forum

[marlins3]

Originally Posted by Cori aka ChrisSCrush

UM did a segment on Foster's death. As I recall, it concentrated mainly on the handwriting in the note, but there are other things, such as the small amount of blood found at what should have been a gory scene, which arouse suspicion.

exactly right!