The UFO Debate

[DarkDante]

I can't believe this hasn't been asked before (or maybe it has and I've just been unobservant) but given that most of us have seen most if not all of the UFO segments broadcasted on UM I have two questions for the group

1) Given what you've seen from the UFO segments on UM, do you believe in UFOs/aliens etc.?

2) Which UFO segments do you believe are the most convincing as far as making a legitimate argument that claims of the existence of UFOs/aliens may be legitimate?
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Here are my thoughts:

The jury is still out on question number one as far as a yes or no answer covering the subject matter in such a broad scope.

I will say this though, to this day, The Allagash Abductions is the one segment I cannot watch before going to bed at night. It just seems very real to me. Unless the men in that segment are trained actors what they communicate to the viewer in that segment is a real sense of fear as to what they claimed they experienced. So I don't know how else to explain it except to accuse them flat out as being liars or the victims of mass hallucination but those individuals certainly seem to believe what happened to them on that evening was legitimate.

I would also say the Betty Cash case just because of how legtimate she came across in the segment, it is pretty hard for me at least to just instantly discredit her.

Your Turn

[SP4CE INV4DERZ]

Well most likely there are other life forms out there but they definitely aren't little green men in UFO's so well advanced that they can travel light years to get here... and crash into the side of our planet.

Of the more believeable; I don't know what happened to Frederick Valentich, I'd sure like to know.

[UMfan77]

I agree with you on the Allagash Abductions and the Betty Cash case. Both of those cases are VERY intriguing to say the least. I believe those cases for the folling reasons:

Allagash Abductions - All 5 men saw the same exact thing when they went on the boat, the spacecraft shining a beaming light on them. When they came back, their bonfire had gone down to embers, which would take HOURS. I doubt they were out on that boat for hours at a time. Then, when put under hypnosis, they gave a lot of detail as to what those "aliens" did to them. The amount of details those men gave was incredible.

Betty Cash - The poor woman and her son suffered a great deal after their sighting. One of the women said that their hands SUNK INTO THE DASHBOARD when the car abruptly stopped in front of the spacecraft. Now, I don't know about you, but that has never happened to me! When they met with those military men, Betty had seen a map on a wall & there was a thumbtack on the same exact spot where the spacecraft was seen. The military obviously knew something but weren't willing to help.

[MegtheEgg86]

Oooo, good question DarkDante.

1. I don't know for sure if UFOs can be attributed to ET life, as it were. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they can be, but I'm not 100% on it---or even 80%. I certainly believe UFOs exist, however. I've seen too many things firsthand to believe they don't.

2. I too have always felt the Allagash Abductions were very credible, as are the "missing time" victims. Whether or not they were actually alien encounters (as opposed to some other phenomenon) is up in the air for me, though.

[Mastermind]

I definitely believe there is life outside our planet. Probability dictates so.

Whether they have actually visited us, I don;t know.

In my opinion the UFO phenemonon is a mix of hoaxes, natural phenemona, misconceptions, psychological illness and a few real genuine UFO incidents

1. I to this day believe that ROSWELL was a real UFO crash. In fact I believe that there have been multiple crashes that have occured throughout our history.

2. I think some of the Foo Fighter incidents were real.

3. Allagash Abductions, I think are some sort of pyschological phenomena or hoax and not a real incident.

4. I believe the US govt has some info on UFOs but not as much as conspiracy nuts think.

5. I think MIB is pure mixture of paronia, real FBI interogations ,misconception and hoaxes.

6. I don;t believe in ANY of the so called UFO photos.

[Dislimb]

[justins5256]

I believe there is other intelligent life out there somewhere.

As to whether "they" have come here, I tend to doubt it.

However, I do think some of the abduction stories are very compelling. I would be curious to know what some of the psychological and physical explanations for these experiences are. I am aware of sleep paralysis, but I'm sure there are other explanations (aside from lying/hoaxing).

[Mastermind]

I would be curious to know what some of the psychological and physical explanations for these experiences are. I am aware of sleep paralysis, but I'm sure there are other explanations (aside from lying/hoaxing).

There has been the theory that alien abductions are actually repressed memories from the childbirth process. That the trauma of seeing doctors taking us out of he womb is a memory that is with us always through out our life and these memories can exhibit themselves during our adult lives.

There is also the belief that alien abductions could be an ingrained phobia of medical surgery. Even if people haven;t had surgery, they may have this fear of doctors examining them and opening up their bodies.

[joshypiano]

Ive actually always wanted to know what Crystaldawn thought about this subject. I don't know why. But i just feel like picking on her and putting her on the spot.

[leafygreens]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

There has been the theory that alien abductions are actually repressed memories from the childbirth process. That the trauma of seeing doctors taking us out of he womb is a memory that is with us always through out our life and these memories can exhibit themselves during our adult lives.

There is also the belief that alien abductions could be an ingrained phobia of medical surgery. Even if people haven;t had surgery, they may have this fear of doctors examining them and opening up their bodies.

This is a lot more credible of an explanation than aliens being real.

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by joshypiano

Ive actually always wanted to know what Crystaldawn thought about this subject. I don't know why. But i just feel like picking on her and putting her on the spot.

Lol, well I'm flattered you would want to know my opinion Joshypiano. Well I think its possible that there are alien life forms out there. There have been a few UM segments that seem believable like Allagash, Stephen Michalak and most certainly Betty Cash. I think most of the UM ones seem pretty unbelievable though. A perfect example is the woman who claimed a tiny ufo flew in her window and passed over her, curing her of cancer.

[joshypiano]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

A perfect example is the woman who claimed a tiny ufo flew in her window and passed over her, curing her of cancer.

Yeah I remember that case reminded me of the old Twilight Zone episode of the woman who has a tiny spaceship crash in her attic.

[Dislimb]

Originally Posted by joshypiano

Yeah I remember that case reminded me of the old Twilight Zone episode of the woman who has a tiny spaceship crash in her attic.

The Invaders - starring Agnes Moorehead

[Mastermind]

I think this topic could be expanded to all Unexplained phenomena, such as Bigfoot, Nessie, Mothman etc.

I for one believe in the Yeti and the possibility that some of the lake monsters are genuine (probably some species of Large Eels, IMHO).

The thing i find interesting about Bigfoot and Yeti is that the people who lived in the area (Tibetians and Native Americans) all seemed to treat this creature in the lore like it was an animal.

The Native Americans put Sasquatch on their totems along with Hawks, Bears, etc. They just seemed to believe in the animal in a way that seemed different from believing in a deity.

I dunno if Bigfoot and Yeti are still around but I do believe they might have existed at some point. Perhaps they became extinct and later became fodder for hoaxes.

[Old School TV]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

I for one believe in the Yeti and the possibility that some of the lake monsters are genuine (probably some species of Large Eels, IMHO).

The thing i find interesting about Bigfoot and Yeti is that the people who lived in the area (Tibetians and Native Americans) all seemed to treat this creature in the lore like it was an animal.

The Native Americans put Sasquatch on their totems along with Hawks, Bears, etc. They just seemed to believe in the animal in a way that seemed different from believing in a deity.

I dunno if Bigfoot and Yeti are still around but I do believe they might have existed at some point. Perhaps they became extinct and later became fodder for hoaxes.

There was a giant ape called Giantopithecus Blacki that is now extinct. The fossil records pretty much corroborate its existence. It lived in Asia thousands of years ago, and was about 9 to 10 tall and 1000-1200 pounds. This is why I tend to believe more in Yetti than the North Western Big Foot. Anthropological evidence indicates that they lived side by side with modern homo sapiens, and it can explain why those indigenous cultures seem to past the legend from one generation to the next.

Two interesting UFO tales that weren’t covered by UM, those are Travis Walton and the Betty and Barney Hill stories. Travis Walton was a man in Arizona who went missing after his friends claim a UFO took him. They were suspected of foul play and were given polygraph tests. After a few days, he was found and his friends cleared. They even all re-took polygraph tests and all past with flying colors. This was made into the film “Fire in the Sky.”

Another major story was the infamous Betty and Barney Hill story. This was made into a film called “The UFO Incident.” They were a bi-racial couple that was allegedly abducted by Aliens in New Hampshire. Betty Hill claimed that they did a pregnancy test, which was not available at the time by humans. In addition, through hypnosis she drew a star map of Zeta Reticuli, the star system that the alien figure claimed they came from. Ironically, it wasn’t years later until that star system would be discovered by the astronomer Marjorie Fish, who was able to identify the hill star map. But there is debate about the authenticity of the star map and it’s relation to Zeta Reticuli.

Both of those stories were covered by the documentary UFO’s Are Real which was made back in 1979. That is where UM got the footage of the Jessie Marcel Sr interview used on the Roswell story

Originally Posted by Dislimb

The Invaders - starring Agnes Moorehead

There was another one about UFO's called the People of Maple Street? It was about aliens turning one community against the other. Wiseguy, the Twilight Zone expert, correct me if got the title wrong? The story had awesome insight to how a paranoid community turns against each other. I think it was a social commentary about McCarthyism. It could also imply to the numerous UM stories where one family blames the other, and it turns out to be NONE of the people who are accused.