Do you think Cliff really loved Jamie? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Furienna · 05-30-2008, 04:15 PM

Or did he only want her part in Ewing Oil?

Ireneparalegal · 05-30-2008, 04:17 PM

He only wanted her part in Ewing Oil. Which is why he wants to divorce her as soon as she finds out she is not entitled to a part of Ewing Oil.

Now, if you follow the dream season, then he does truly love her. But we know what happened in the dream season was just that, a bad dream of Pam's.

Furienna · 05-30-2008, 05:25 PM

I can't have been a totally bad dream, since first Ray and Donna and then Cliff and Jamie were happy.

Ireneparalegal · 05-30-2008, 05:27 PM

Well if you follow the show, you know the dream season was purely done so the Bobby character could return. Whatever happened in that dream never really happened. Pam wakes up and everything that had occurred THE SEASON BEFORE is where the show left off. So Cliff did not love Jamie.

Furienna · 05-30-2008, 07:16 PM

Still, some things were obviously better in "the dream" than in "reality". That was what I was saying.

Ireneparalegal · 05-30-2008, 08:08 PM

Oh I see. Yes, the whole story abt Ray and Donna and the Down's Syndrome storyline was a nice one. Also the whole Sue Ellen storyline abt her alcoholism hitting rock bottom, so much so she ended up on skid row. Damn! what a performance by Linda.

Mr. Television · 05-30-2008, 08:52 PM

Their were a lot of great things that happened in the dream season including Cliff and Jamie. I liked how they were that season and when the dream was over he was nasty to her. That really never sit well with me. I'm glad Patrick came back but I don't like the way they brought him back. The only real bad stories during the dream were the Angelica Nero and the Matt Cantrell storylines and they could have ended them fast. Even after Patrick came back we only really had one more year with the original cast ( excluding Lucy) so was it really worth it? The Dream season was better than the last 2 seasons combined.

Ireneparalegal · 05-30-2008, 08:55 PM

I hear ya Sonny. I said it before and I will say it again. That whole Angelica Nero storyline was a bad imitation of Dynasty.

If I wanted to watch Dynasty for all the shoulder pads and hair and glitter, I would have (I did

) but I watched DALLAS for the simplicity it offered and great storylines. I was so damn happy when Bobby came back, but the whole Jenna being pregnant, Pam wanting Jenna's baby, etc. OH GOD

: The writing was never the same.

catlover79 · 05-30-2008, 08:57 PM

I read in a book called Soap Opera Babylon that the writers wanted to make Angelica Nero and her female assistant lovers. Larry Hagman, Barbara Bel Geddes and Susan Howard all threatened to walk if that happened, and shortly thereafter, Angelica Nero and her assistant were written out of the show.

Mr. Television · 05-30-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I hear ya Sonny. I said it before and I will say it again. That whole Angelica Nero storyline was a bad imitation of Dynasty.

If I wanted to watch Dynasty for all the shoulder pads and hair and glitter, I would have (I did

) but I watched DALLAS for the simplicity it offered and great storylines. I was so damn happy when Bobby came back, but the whole Jenna being pregnant, Pam wanting Jenna's baby, etc. OH GOD

: The writing was never the same.

I never watched Dynasty until years later when it was in syndication and although it was a good show it wasn't in the same league as Dallas. I hated that storyline too. Also Jenna getting paired up with Ray. They had absolutely no chemistry and Charlie turned into a brat.

What I did like about the season when Patrick came back was the Wes and the B.D. Calhoun storylines. I thought they were first rate although they ended Wes's story pretty abruptly. But after JR lost Ewing Oil they made a big mistake in getting rid of Jeremy who could have been a great adversary to JR if he would have stayed on the show more. They brought him back and got rid of him again. Carter McKay just wasn't that great of a villian.

Mr. Television · 05-30-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by catlover79

I read in a book called Soap Opera Babylon that the writers wanted to make Angelica Nero and her female assistant lovers. Larry Hagman, Barbara Bel Geddes and Susan Howard all threatened to walk if that happened, and shortly thereafter, Angelica Nero and her assistant were written out of the show.

I don't know those two just didn't have any emotion at all. They were so wooden. I didn't even get the feeling that Grace liked Jack although they said they loved each other.

catlover79 · 05-30-2008, 09:05 PM

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I don't know those two just didn't have any emotion at all. They were so wooden. I didn't even get the feeling that Grace liked Jack although they said they loved each other.

Jack was the character played by Dack Rambo, right?

Mr. Television · 05-30-2008, 09:08 PM

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Jack was the character played by Dack Rambo, right?

Yea that was Jack. I always liked him but I know he didn't have a happy experience on Dallas.

Furienna · 05-30-2008, 09:09 PM

I just saw the episode, where Bobby was hit by Katherine's car. Damn, even though I know they turned it all into a dream, it was a very sad indeed. In other words, I'm starting on the dream season tomorrow. So let's see how I like it.

Ireneparalegal · 05-30-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by catlover79

I read in a book called Soap Opera Babylon that the writers wanted to make Angelica Nero and her female assistant lovers. Larry Hagman, Barbara Bel Geddes and Susan Howard all threatened to walk if that happened, and shortly thereafter, Angelica Nero and her assistant were written out of the show.

When I first seen the Angelica Nero character and her assistant, I actually thought that was what was going to happen...a lesbian romance. It seemed like it at times. I am glad they didn't go that route. I wish they had NEVER gone that route of that whole Nero character period!

I agree Sonny, the acting was just not up to par. I kept wondering why do they seem so emotionless? Nothing to look at.

05-30-2008, 04:15 PM	#1
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05-30-2008, 08:52 PM	#7
Mr. Television 22 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,125	Their were a lot of great things that happened in the dream season including Cliff and Jamie. I liked how they were that season and when the dream was over he was nasty to her. That really never sit well with me. I'm glad Patrick came back but I don't like the way they brought him back. The only real bad stories during the dream were the Angelica Nero and the Matt Cantrell storylines and they could have ended them fast. Even after Patrick came back we only really had one more year with the original cast ( excluding Lucy) so was it really worth it? The Dream season was better than the last 2 seasons combined.
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05-30-2008, 05:25 PM	#3
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,277	I can't have been a totally bad dream, since first Ray and Donna and then Cliff and Jamie were happy.

05-30-2008, 05:27 PM	#4
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,689	Well if you follow the show, you know the dream season was purely done so the Bobby character could return. Whatever happened in that dream never really happened. Pam wakes up and everything that had occurred THE SEASON BEFORE is where the show left off. So Cliff did not love Jamie.

05-30-2008, 07:16 PM	#5
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,277	Still, some things were obviously better in "the dream" than in "reality". That was what I was saying.

05-30-2008, 08:08 PM	#6
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,689	Oh I see. Yes, the whole story abt Ray and Donna and the Down's Syndrome storyline was a nice one. Also the whole Sue Ellen storyline abt her alcoholism hitting rock bottom, so much so she ended up on skid row. Damn! what a performance by Linda.

05-30-2008, 08:55 PM	#8
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,689	I hear ya Sonny. I said it before and I will say it again. That whole Angelica Nero storyline was a bad imitation of Dynasty. If I wanted to watch Dynasty for all the shoulder pads and hair and glitter, I would have (I did ) but I watched DALLAS for the simplicity it offered and great storylines. I was so damn happy when Bobby came back, but the whole Jenna being pregnant, Pam wanting Jenna's baby, etc. OH GOD : The writing was never the same.

05-30-2008, 09:09 PM	#14
Furienna Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 22, 2006 Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden Posts: 6,277	I just saw the episode, where Bobby was hit by Katherine's car. Damn, even though I know they turned it all into a dream, it was a very sad indeed. In other words, I'm starting on the dream season tomorrow. So let's see how I like it.