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ranion · 05-21-2008, 11:01 PM

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limpboy · 05-28-2008, 09:28 PM

Yeah, I have read about these cases before. But I do not recall the "smiley face" element. I always say that if an adult is missing to check any large body of water nearby, wooded areas, cliff drop-offs, because these accidents do happen and the bodies are found at later times in said areas. I can think of one that was on UM; the case where the man and women who were friends disappeared in his Jeep, years later they were found in a drainage ditch or something like that, in a Lifetime update. I think some of these cases are related somehow, but unfortunately I fear they will never get coverage because the victims are "drunk" college guys. When men go missing it is not given the same amount of urgency as a woman, and added to it that the men were drinking before they went missing makes it even more unlikely that these cases will be treated as the work of a serial killer/killers.

PunkyP0WER · 05-28-2008, 09:31 PM

isn't there a similar case where there's a suspected serial killer somewhere in the midwest where all these young college age guys have gone missing and turning up in lakes or something?

CowboyStudTied · 04-17-2009, 01:22 PM

HERE HAVE BEEN MURDERS SINCE 98 AND IT'S 09 IT'S REPORTED TO BE 45 KNOWN MURDERS HOWEVER....MOST COUNT UP TO 76 MURDERS.

THEY'VE HAPPENED IN OVER 11 STATES AND IT FORMS A SMILEY FACE ON THE USA MAP OF WHERE THE MURDERS TOOK PLACE.

1. COLLEGE GUYS
2. COME HOME FROM PARTIES/BARS
3. DROWNED
4. SMILEY FACES ON THE CRIME SCENE I THINK IT'S A CULT.

THE FBI FINDS THEM TO BE SUICIDES THERE'S NO WY IN HELL.

TracyLynnS · 04-17-2009, 03:20 PM

IMO, definitely not suicides, but I don't think it's a cult. I think it's probably more likely to be a gang. Or maybe one group of thugs heard about it and the idea of killing people this way, just for the heck of it, kind of travelled from region to region by word of mouth.

shanejm · 05-28-2009, 05:33 AM

I don't think it's a cult or a gang...I think it's one man...possible two. They are well traveled (such as truckers) who appear to be about college age. This way they fit in. I believe they either go to the frat parties or bars where these young men are drinking and end up following them out. I don't think it is random...I do believe that the smiley faces have a purpose. In my opinion they pick men because it's true...a man going missing is not going to be as big as a woman going missing. I believe that they kill for the thrill of it. It's not sexual gratifications like some murders...it's just the thrill of killing someone...overpowering someone. They have chosen a group of the population that it would "make sense" to go missing because of their drinking...but in the end it doesn't make sense at all. In my opinion there is a pattern to the killings...we just haven't figured it out yet. Killers like these are planners...very deliberate in everything they do including the kill. It's funny how most of the bodies have been found in the river...but there is a lack of water in the lungs (in at least some of the cases.) I think that the smiley face is important...but not the most important clue...I feel that the smiley face is there to distract us from something more important...what it is...I don't know yet. I've studied these murders for a while and and I knew one of the first victims in Minnesota. In my opinion the police are just beginning to see the light with this case. At first it seemed to big with them...it was to far reaching with the possibility of a killer or two roaming the mid-west and east...but the police are getting there. The FBI...not so much. They still say all of this is completely random and honestly...I wonder whats wrong with them? Are they now so busy with protecting our borders and foreign issues that they cannot or do not have the time to accept that this is an actual serial killer issue? Anyway...I'll stop going on about this. I'd just like to see this one solved someday...if anything...for my old friend Josh!

kadrmas15 · 05-28-2009, 06:11 AM

Wow, you went to St. Johns? At first I wrote this whole case off, but after looking at it more, I do agree something is amiss here. I have been drunk more times than I can count but I never got the urge to walk towards water or fall off a bridge or whatever the case may be. These were not suicides that is for sure, I lean towards the murder theory. Surely some of these were murder. I believe Josh's body has never been found?

shanejm · 05-28-2009, 06:28 AM

I didn't go to St. Johns...I Knew him for earlier. And there have been times when I have thought about it and just accepted the fact that he just walked into the lake on campus...but then why hasn't his body been found. I know some people theorize that the bodies that end up "missing" and not found may have more evidence on them...so the killer/killers had to dispose of the bodies in different ways. My theory is that the victims who were less drunk...fought off their attackers and left possible evidence than the victims who were so totally drunk that they really were unable to fight anything. Again...that's just my theory. As for Josh...He was never a big drinker...he was very responsible and would in no way gotten so drunk that he would have walked into a lake or river...it's foul play...plain and simple.

atomicfizz · 05-28-2009, 09:10 AM

Another college guy just went missing here (where the Chris Jenkins case was) and he was found in the river as well. I never heard anything after that though, so I'm not sure what they called this one.

MissFit29 · 05-28-2009, 08:46 PM

Dan Zamlen, a student at St. Thomas, was found in the Mississippi River about 4 weeks after he disappeared. He was on his cell phone with a friend after leaving a party, said "oh my god" or something, and that was it.

TracyLynnS · 05-28-2009, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissFit29

Dan Zamlen, a student at St. Thomas, was found in the Mississippi River about 4 weeks after he disappeared. He was on his cell phone with a friend after leaving a party, said "oh my god" or something, and that was it.

Well, that certainly sounds suspicious.

If he wasn't on his cell, talking to his friend, while precariously tippy toeing on the edge of the river and then "oh my god" fell in...

Then it sounds like he could have seen that he was about to be jumped, said "oh my god" then in the struggle the assailants tossed his phone, cutting off the conversation between him and his friend.

Necco · 05-31-2009, 02:00 PM

I wonder if Bryan Nisenfeld should be looked into in connection with these cases. College male, missing, found in water. Admittedly, he was not last seen at a bar, but I think it should at least be checked out.

kadrmas15 · 05-31-2009, 03:27 PM

Hmm, yeah, I dont know, I think a majority of these cases are connected. I mean, the police are writing it off as just a bunch of drunk drownings. It sort of reminds me of the police in the Jack Davis Jr case writing it off as a drunk falling down the stairs. The police officers response in that was totally lame. Hence why he was demoted from Chief to Sergeant.

I can tell you I have been drunk MANY times and one thing I did not have a desire to do was suddenly walk towards a huge body of water. That is what does not make sense to me. In practically all of these cases the guys were familiar with their surroundings. Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, I am certain he was thrown off that bridge. I mean in order for him to 'fall' off of that bridge he would have had to have climbed over the railing and jumped off. Jenkins body was found several months after he disappeared, in the Mississippi River. It appeared he had been beaten and then thrown over the bridge as I believe he died from drowning or from impact with the water from the fall from the bridge. Originally Minneapolis Police labeled it an accident, only after a change of administration did the new police chief order a new investigation and this time the cause of death was changed to homicide.

MissFit29 · 05-31-2009, 09:24 PM

In Zamlen's case, he had been at a party near campus, and left at around 3 in the morning, I think. He was walking on the street that runs along the river. He may have been upset when he left, and also under the influence (but who knows as to what degree). He was diabetic, which may have complicated things further.

I have been in the vicinity, and I thought there was a fence that ran along the edge of the sidewalk so people wouldn't fall down the side to the river (the street is quite a bit above it). It's steep too, so if someone was on the side, they could easily trip and fall into the river.

sdb4884 · 07-09-2009, 12:09 AM

James Majors was a smiley killing bastard.

05-21-2008, 11:01 PM	#1
ranion Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 28, 2006 Posts: 18	Smiley Face Killers http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/21/...rss_topstories

05-28-2008, 09:28 PM	#2
limpboy Member Forum Cub Join Date: Jul 06, 2006 Posts: 2	Yeah, I have read about these cases before. But I do not recall the "smiley face" element. I always say that if an adult is missing to check any large body of water nearby, wooded areas, cliff drop-offs, because these accidents do happen and the bodies are found at later times in said areas. I can think of one that was on UM; the case where the man and women who were friends disappeared in his Jeep, years later they were found in a drainage ditch or something like that, in a Lifetime update. I think some of these cases are related somehow, but unfortunately I fear they will never get coverage because the victims are "drunk" college guys. When men go missing it is not given the same amount of urgency as a woman, and added to it that the men were drinking before they went missing makes it even more unlikely that these cases will be treated as the work of a serial killer/killers.

05-28-2008, 09:31 PM	#3
PunkyP0WER Member Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2008 Location: MACY*S on 34th St. Posts: 1,908	isn't there a similar case where there's a suspected serial killer somewhere in the midwest where all these young college age guys have gone missing and turning up in lakes or something?

04-17-2009, 01:22 PM	#4
CowboyStudTied Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 06, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 54	HERE HAVE BEEN MURDERS SINCE 98 AND IT'S 09 IT'S REPORTED TO BE 45 KNOWN MURDERS HOWEVER....MOST COUNT UP TO 76 MURDERS. THEY'VE HAPPENED IN OVER 11 STATES AND IT FORMS A SMILEY FACE ON THE USA MAP OF WHERE THE MURDERS TOOK PLACE. 1. COLLEGE GUYS 2. COME HOME FROM PARTIES/BARS 3. DROWNED 4. SMILEY FACES ON THE CRIME SCENE I THINK IT'S A CULT. THE FBI FINDS THEM TO BE SUICIDES THERE'S NO WY IN HELL.

04-17-2009, 03:20 PM	#5
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	IMO, definitely not suicides, but I don't think it's a cult. I think it's probably more likely to be a gang. Or maybe one group of thugs heard about it and the idea of killing people this way, just for the heck of it, kind of travelled from region to region by word of mouth.

05-28-2009, 05:33 AM	#6
shanejm Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 28, 2009 Posts: 55	I don't think it's a cult or a gang...I think it's one man...possible two. They are well traveled (such as truckers) who appear to be about college age. This way they fit in. I believe they either go to the frat parties or bars where these young men are drinking and end up following them out. I don't think it is random...I do believe that the smiley faces have a purpose. In my opinion they pick men because it's true...a man going missing is not going to be as big as a woman going missing. I believe that they kill for the thrill of it. It's not sexual gratifications like some murders...it's just the thrill of killing someone...overpowering someone. They have chosen a group of the population that it would "make sense" to go missing because of their drinking...but in the end it doesn't make sense at all. In my opinion there is a pattern to the killings...we just haven't figured it out yet. Killers like these are planners...very deliberate in everything they do including the kill. It's funny how most of the bodies have been found in the river...but there is a lack of water in the lungs (in at least some of the cases.) I think that the smiley face is important...but not the most important clue...I feel that the smiley face is there to distract us from something more important...what it is...I don't know yet. I've studied these murders for a while and and I knew one of the first victims in Minnesota. In my opinion the police are just beginning to see the light with this case. At first it seemed to big with them...it was to far reaching with the possibility of a killer or two roaming the mid-west and east...but the police are getting there. The FBI...not so much. They still say all of this is completely random and honestly...I wonder whats wrong with them? Are they now so busy with protecting our borders and foreign issues that they cannot or do not have the time to accept that this is an actual serial killer issue? Anyway...I'll stop going on about this. I'd just like to see this one solved someday...if anything...for my old friend Josh!

05-28-2009, 06:11 AM	#7
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Wow, you went to St. Johns? At first I wrote this whole case off, but after looking at it more, I do agree something is amiss here. I have been drunk more times than I can count but I never got the urge to walk towards water or fall off a bridge or whatever the case may be. These were not suicides that is for sure, I lean towards the murder theory. Surely some of these were murder. I believe Josh's body has never been found?

05-28-2009, 06:28 AM	#8
shanejm Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 28, 2009 Posts: 55	I didn't go to St. Johns...I Knew him for earlier. And there have been times when I have thought about it and just accepted the fact that he just walked into the lake on campus...but then why hasn't his body been found. I know some people theorize that the bodies that end up "missing" and not found may have more evidence on them...so the killer/killers had to dispose of the bodies in different ways. My theory is that the victims who were less drunk...fought off their attackers and left possible evidence than the victims who were so totally drunk that they really were unable to fight anything. Again...that's just my theory. As for Josh...He was never a big drinker...he was very responsible and would in no way gotten so drunk that he would have walked into a lake or river...it's foul play...plain and simple.

05-28-2009, 09:10 AM	#9
atomicfizz Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 07, 2008 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 310	Another college guy just went missing here (where the Chris Jenkins case was) and he was found in the river as well. I never heard anything after that though, so I'm not sure what they called this one.

05-28-2009, 08:46 PM	#10
MissFit29 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 526	Dan Zamlen, a student at St. Thomas, was found in the Mississippi River about 4 weeks after he disappeared. He was on his cell phone with a friend after leaving a party, said "oh my god" or something, and that was it.

05-31-2009, 02:00 PM	#12
Necco Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 1,149	I wonder if Bryan Nisenfeld should be looked into in connection with these cases. College male, missing, found in water. Admittedly, he was not last seen at a bar, but I think it should at least be checked out.

05-31-2009, 03:27 PM	#13
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hmm, yeah, I dont know, I think a majority of these cases are connected. I mean, the police are writing it off as just a bunch of drunk drownings. It sort of reminds me of the police in the Jack Davis Jr case writing it off as a drunk falling down the stairs. The police officers response in that was totally lame. Hence why he was demoted from Chief to Sergeant. I can tell you I have been drunk MANY times and one thing I did not have a desire to do was suddenly walk towards a huge body of water. That is what does not make sense to me. In practically all of these cases the guys were familiar with their surroundings. Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis, I am certain he was thrown off that bridge. I mean in order for him to 'fall' off of that bridge he would have had to have climbed over the railing and jumped off. Jenkins body was found several months after he disappeared, in the Mississippi River. It appeared he had been beaten and then thrown over the bridge as I believe he died from drowning or from impact with the water from the fall from the bridge. Originally Minneapolis Police labeled it an accident, only after a change of administration did the new police chief order a new investigation and this time the cause of death was changed to homicide.

05-31-2009, 09:24 PM	#14
MissFit29 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 526	In Zamlen's case, he had been at a party near campus, and left at around 3 in the morning, I think. He was walking on the street that runs along the river. He may have been upset when he left, and also under the influence (but who knows as to what degree). He was diabetic, which may have complicated things further. I have been in the vicinity, and I thought there was a fence that ran along the edge of the sidewalk so people wouldn't fall down the side to the river (the street is quite a bit above it). It's steep too, so if someone was on the side, they could easily trip and fall into the river.

07-09-2009, 12:09 AM	#15
sdb4884 UM Meme Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 01, 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,235	James Majors was a smiley killing bastard.