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AlastairSim · 04-25-2008, 07:42 PM

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Cold Case Files (CCF) profiled this case tonight, actually it devoted the whole hour episode to it, where as UM's segment was only 20 minutes. Let me tell you, it was scary. I was watching it at 6pm and it was still light out, but every noise in the house made me turn around. And this profile had something UM's didn't... his alleged voice left on a victim's answering machine. That was the most blood chilling part of the whole show. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. He kept saying in this demonic whisper "gonna kill you", "gonna kill you". And being that this case is still unsolved, all through the episode CCF kept showing a ski mask with the eye cut outs glowing. It was so spooky, like a phantom. Well, I guess if you think about it, he is a phantom. It went on to say that through DNA testing he's been linked to over 50 murders and rapes. Its scary to think this guy was never caught, atleast not for these crimes. I love UM and CCF, even though afterwards I freak myself out letting my imagination get the better of me, but I always find a sense of relief at the end when on UM they have an update where they caught the criminal or CCF where 99% of the time it concludes with the conviction of the guilty. But I was left unsettled at the end when CCF said this was still unsolved. The segment on UM was done quite a while back so I thought CCF's story was going to tie this up in their account, which like i said is often the case.

synthisislab · 04-25-2008, 09:33 PM

Whoa, creepy. This one sounds vaguely familiar. What area of the country is this from?

crystaldawn · 04-25-2008, 09:47 PM

I believe a lot of the attacks were in California. Yes, Alastair I also watched that program a few months back. Absolutely chilling hearing those taped phone calls...

Here is a website with a lot of info about the case:

http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate.html

synthisislab · 04-25-2008, 10:37 PM

Oh yeah, I remember that one now. He was similar to Richard Ramirez, but never made a misstep and never got out of control and always covered his tracks. He must have died long ago, or got locked up for something else and died in prison. How did they determine if it was him that did the killings? If the rapist and killer were the same, then why did he move to So Cal to start killing? It seems like a different MO, attacking couples so he can rape the female in ear shot of the male, then kill them both afterwards. The only similarities seem to be that they both were home invasion rapists and the death victims were dead so they can't tell what the perp looked like (ski mask and such that the rapist wore).

kadrmas15 · 04-26-2008, 05:04 PM

He was linked to all of the cases through DNA. All of them had the same profile so it was the same guy. This guy acted alone it seems and it also seems like he is probably the most successful serial killer in history because as far as anyone can tell he has never been caught. A few years ago they were able to test the DNA of everyone on Cali's death row and none of them matched the East Area Rapists DNA profile.

I dont think the East Area Rapist actually changed his MO all that much when he went to southern California except for the fact that he had started killing people in addition to "only" raping and terrorizing them and scaring them for life. The reason he went to southern California is anyone's guess.

My personal theory is he was there because he moved there. He was residing in the area, he either moved there for work or perhaps wanted to throw the cops off his trail. Although to be honest the latter I feel is unlikely. The reason is, I think and this is just a personal theory, that the East Area Rapist didnt want to throw the cops off his trail. He liked the attention and the excitement and he liked taunting the cops and his victims. He seemed to enjoy doing all this and it seems with every crime he did and got away with it his arrogance grew that he could basically do whatever he wanted and never get caught.

It is also my opinion and this is easier to say in hindsight, but it is my opinion the cops up in Sacramento bungled this case miserably. This rapist was so bold in fact, he would actually go to the townhall meetings, he is thought to have went to at least one of the townhall meetings about himself.

He even did some of these crimes while having only a bicycle for transporation. He was nearly caught in 1977, but somehow he was able to outrun a sheriff's deputy even though he was only on a bicycle. The East Area Rapist could be dead or perhaps physically disabled but I wouldnt be at all surprised if he moved to a different state and continued killing there as well.

synthisislab · 04-26-2008, 07:24 PM

So when were the last crimes that were attributed to EAR?

kadrmas15 · 04-26-2008, 08:39 PM

The last one that was for sure linked to him was a rape/homicide that occured on May 5th, 1986 in Irvine, California.

synthisislab · 04-26-2008, 09:11 PM

Wasn't this case on UM referred to as the Original Night Stalker? He must have died after 1986 since the guy had gotten so good at what he did, how could he stop unless dead? I doubt he got locked up for some other crime that would have put him away for years. Maybe he moved across the country and switched up his MO a little as to cover his trail.

kadrmas15 · 04-26-2008, 09:38 PM

I actually dont think he is dead. I do think it is very possible that he could have moved elsewhere. I tend to doubt he is in prison too because they collect DNA samples from prisoners these days. Maybe he is still active but more careful? The EAR if he can avoid detection as long as he did, he is the type that would keep up to date on all the latest technologies and figure out how to keep up his sick escapades it would be him.

AlastairSim · 04-26-2008, 09:43 PM

it astonishes me that ear hasn't had the attention that killers like the zodiac or hillside stranglers etc had. i never even heard of him until i saw that um segment and later saw the episode on Cold Case Files. maybe it was because they didn't know the extent of his crimes until 2001. ear seems more prolific, cunning and bolder than the above mentioned killers. to call your victims years later after the attack and further haunt and terrorize them is beyond sadistic. when listening to the tape recording from the answering machine i could have sworn i heard a female voice in the background at one point, he could have had a tv on I suppose but just as possibly could have been married just like BTK and because he was whispering his wife didn't hear what he was saying, just a theory. i think out of all the crime stories i've watched and all the ones that have gone unsolved, his case seems to be the most sinister and disturbing to me. if society is lucky, he's dead. if not, he's either mellowed out with time or has gone undetected in another location. those 2 victims who escaped by hopping away were so lucky. on a side note, i love robert stack and bill kurtis as narrators. robert stack has that raspy voice that adds to the spookiness of the storytelling and bill kurtis has this grandfatherly way about him. i love his voice inflections and his choices of words to illustrate a story. for instance "april 26, 1992..a lonely stretch of highway engulfed by the nights darkness is pierced with the glow of headlights..." etc. not word for word but an example. it's like listening to a ghost story you hear at camp, your interest immediately perks, well for me anyway. i think he'd be the only one fitting enough to take over hosting duties on a new UM.

AlastairSim · 04-26-2008, 09:52 PM

i thought the same thing kardmas. he seems very sly to be caught for another crime. if he's that smart to not be caught for all those murders and rapes then i doubt he's dumb enough to be caught for a lesser or equal crime. i tried to put myself in the mindset of a criminal when thinking about these cases and i also agree with you that with the advancements in forensic science a rapist/killer would be more careful not to leave his biological evidence behind. i really don't believe hes in our nations prison systems because with all the dna databases available to law enforcement they would have picked up a hit by now. hes either in hell/mellowed out/disabled and can't/ or still active but still just flying under the radar.

kadrmas15 · 04-26-2008, 09:53 PM

Well, you know, I was watching AMW tonight and they had the so called "NorCal" rapist who has been on the loose for 17 years. I dont think this rapist and the EAR are the same guy but I do think NorCal used the EAR as his mentor. NorCal is still on the lose and he first hit in 1990 and he spends hours at a time with his victims and calls them on the phone after the attack and all sorts of crazy stuff.

AlastairSim · 04-26-2008, 09:57 PM

if anyone's interested this is the link to the page where there's an audiofile of his voice on a victim's answering machine. from the site crystal listed above.
http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate7.html

synthisislab · 04-26-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kadrmas15

Well, you know, I was watching AMW tonight and they had the so called "NorCal" rapist who has been on the loose for 17 years. I dont think this rapist and the EAR are the same guy but I do think NorCal used the EAR as his mentor. NorCal is still on the lose and he first hit in 1990 and he spends hours at a time with his victims and calls them on the phone after the attack and all sorts of crazy stuff.

You saw that too? I was thinking this guy is emulating EAR wearing masks to try not to be seen by cameras, pulling home invasion rapes in No Cal, calls the victim to further terrorize them, cleaning up evidence, etc.

AlastairSim · 04-26-2008, 10:17 PM

wow never heard of him but if they're not the same they're eerily similar. sorry i missed tonight's show. i've always loved true crime shows not only because they're of course fascinating but i think i've become more aware of my surroundings, there are many lessons to be learned thats for sure. i read the posts here often but just as lurker. by the way, anyone know why youtube doesn't have the um cases they used to anymore? they used to have angela hammonds case and many others including ear not released on dvd but can't seem to find them on youtube anymore.

04-25-2008, 07:42 PM	#1
AlastairSim Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: OZ Posts: 13	East Area Serial Rapist/Killer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cold Case Files (CCF) profiled this case tonight, actually it devoted the whole hour episode to it, where as UM's segment was only 20 minutes. Let me tell you, it was scary. I was watching it at 6pm and it was still light out, but every noise in the house made me turn around. And this profile had something UM's didn't... his alleged voice left on a victim's answering machine. That was the most blood chilling part of the whole show. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. He kept saying in this demonic whisper "gonna kill you", "gonna kill you". And being that this case is still unsolved, all through the episode CCF kept showing a ski mask with the eye cut outs glowing. It was so spooky, like a phantom. Well, I guess if you think about it, he is a phantom. It went on to say that through DNA testing he's been linked to over 50 murders and rapes. Its scary to think this guy was never caught, atleast not for these crimes. I love UM and CCF, even though afterwards I freak myself out letting my imagination get the better of me, but I always find a sense of relief at the end when on UM they have an update where they caught the criminal or CCF where 99% of the time it concludes with the conviction of the guilty. But I was left unsettled at the end when CCF said this was still unsolved. The segment on UM was done quite a while back so I thought CCF's story was going to tie this up in their account, which like i said is often the case.

04-25-2008, 09:33 PM	#2
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Whoa, creepy. This one sounds vaguely familiar. What area of the country is this from?

04-25-2008, 09:47 PM	#3
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	I believe a lot of the attacks were in California. Yes, Alastair I also watched that program a few months back. Absolutely chilling hearing those taped phone calls... Here is a website with a lot of info about the case: http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate.html

04-25-2008, 10:37 PM	#4
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Oh yeah, I remember that one now. He was similar to Richard Ramirez, but never made a misstep and never got out of control and always covered his tracks. He must have died long ago, or got locked up for something else and died in prison. How did they determine if it was him that did the killings? If the rapist and killer were the same, then why did he move to So Cal to start killing? It seems like a different MO, attacking couples so he can rape the female in ear shot of the male, then kill them both afterwards. The only similarities seem to be that they both were home invasion rapists and the death victims were dead so they can't tell what the perp looked like (ski mask and such that the rapist wore).

04-26-2008, 05:04 PM	#5
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	He was linked to all of the cases through DNA. All of them had the same profile so it was the same guy. This guy acted alone it seems and it also seems like he is probably the most successful serial killer in history because as far as anyone can tell he has never been caught. A few years ago they were able to test the DNA of everyone on Cali's death row and none of them matched the East Area Rapists DNA profile. I dont think the East Area Rapist actually changed his MO all that much when he went to southern California except for the fact that he had started killing people in addition to "only" raping and terrorizing them and scaring them for life. The reason he went to southern California is anyone's guess. My personal theory is he was there because he moved there. He was residing in the area, he either moved there for work or perhaps wanted to throw the cops off his trail. Although to be honest the latter I feel is unlikely. The reason is, I think and this is just a personal theory, that the East Area Rapist didnt want to throw the cops off his trail. He liked the attention and the excitement and he liked taunting the cops and his victims. He seemed to enjoy doing all this and it seems with every crime he did and got away with it his arrogance grew that he could basically do whatever he wanted and never get caught. It is also my opinion and this is easier to say in hindsight, but it is my opinion the cops up in Sacramento bungled this case miserably. This rapist was so bold in fact, he would actually go to the townhall meetings, he is thought to have went to at least one of the townhall meetings about himself. He even did some of these crimes while having only a bicycle for transporation. He was nearly caught in 1977, but somehow he was able to outrun a sheriff's deputy even though he was only on a bicycle. The East Area Rapist could be dead or perhaps physically disabled but I wouldnt be at all surprised if he moved to a different state and continued killing there as well.

04-26-2008, 07:24 PM	#6
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	So when were the last crimes that were attributed to EAR?

04-26-2008, 08:39 PM	#7
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	The last one that was for sure linked to him was a rape/homicide that occured on May 5th, 1986 in Irvine, California.

04-26-2008, 09:11 PM	#8
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Wasn't this case on UM referred to as the Original Night Stalker? He must have died after 1986 since the guy had gotten so good at what he did, how could he stop unless dead? I doubt he got locked up for some other crime that would have put him away for years. Maybe he moved across the country and switched up his MO a little as to cover his trail.

04-26-2008, 09:38 PM	#9
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	I actually dont think he is dead. I do think it is very possible that he could have moved elsewhere. I tend to doubt he is in prison too because they collect DNA samples from prisoners these days. Maybe he is still active but more careful? The EAR if he can avoid detection as long as he did, he is the type that would keep up to date on all the latest technologies and figure out how to keep up his sick escapades it would be him.

04-26-2008, 09:43 PM	#10
AlastairSim Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: OZ Posts: 13	it astonishes me that ear hasn't had the attention that killers like the zodiac or hillside stranglers etc had. i never even heard of him until i saw that um segment and later saw the episode on Cold Case Files. maybe it was because they didn't know the extent of his crimes until 2001. ear seems more prolific, cunning and bolder than the above mentioned killers. to call your victims years later after the attack and further haunt and terrorize them is beyond sadistic. when listening to the tape recording from the answering machine i could have sworn i heard a female voice in the background at one point, he could have had a tv on I suppose but just as possibly could have been married just like BTK and because he was whispering his wife didn't hear what he was saying, just a theory. i think out of all the crime stories i've watched and all the ones that have gone unsolved, his case seems to be the most sinister and disturbing to me. if society is lucky, he's dead. if not, he's either mellowed out with time or has gone undetected in another location. those 2 victims who escaped by hopping away were so lucky. on a side note, i love robert stack and bill kurtis as narrators. robert stack has that raspy voice that adds to the spookiness of the storytelling and bill kurtis has this grandfatherly way about him. i love his voice inflections and his choices of words to illustrate a story. for instance "april 26, 1992..a lonely stretch of highway engulfed by the nights darkness is pierced with the glow of headlights..." etc. not word for word but an example. it's like listening to a ghost story you hear at camp, your interest immediately perks, well for me anyway. i think he'd be the only one fitting enough to take over hosting duties on a new UM.

04-26-2008, 09:52 PM	#11
AlastairSim Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: OZ Posts: 13	i thought the same thing kardmas. he seems very sly to be caught for another crime. if he's that smart to not be caught for all those murders and rapes then i doubt he's dumb enough to be caught for a lesser or equal crime. i tried to put myself in the mindset of a criminal when thinking about these cases and i also agree with you that with the advancements in forensic science a rapist/killer would be more careful not to leave his biological evidence behind. i really don't believe hes in our nations prison systems because with all the dna databases available to law enforcement they would have picked up a hit by now. hes either in hell/mellowed out/disabled and can't/ or still active but still just flying under the radar.

04-26-2008, 09:53 PM	#12
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Well, you know, I was watching AMW tonight and they had the so called "NorCal" rapist who has been on the loose for 17 years. I dont think this rapist and the EAR are the same guy but I do think NorCal used the EAR as his mentor. NorCal is still on the lose and he first hit in 1990 and he spends hours at a time with his victims and calls them on the phone after the attack and all sorts of crazy stuff.

04-26-2008, 09:57 PM	#13
AlastairSim Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: OZ Posts: 13	if anyone's interested this is the link to the page where there's an audiofile of his voice on a victim's answering machine. from the site crystal listed above. http://www.ear-ons.com/investigate7.html

04-26-2008, 10:17 PM	#15
AlastairSim Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: OZ Posts: 13	wow never heard of him but if they're not the same they're eerily similar. sorry i missed tonight's show. i've always loved true crime shows not only because they're of course fascinating but i think i've become more aware of my surroundings, there are many lessons to be learned thats for sure. i read the posts here often but just as lurker. by the way, anyone know why youtube doesn't have the um cases they used to anymore? they used to have angela hammonds case and many others including ear not released on dvd but can't seem to find them on youtube anymore.