Was Archie Wrong to Baptize Joey? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Brian Damage · 04-05-2008, 09:38 PM

What is your opinion on this episode?

PlayOn · 04-05-2008, 09:47 PM

I'm a Christian, but do think it was wrong of Archie to do that against Mike and Gloria's wishes.

Brian Damage · 04-05-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceWillisFan

I'm a Christian, but do think it was wrong of Archie to do that against Mike and Gloria's wishes.

I hear what you are saying, but Mike was an atheist and had no desire for religion. It wasn't going to hurt Joey to be baptized.

PlayOn · 04-05-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I hear what you are saying, but Mike was an atheist and had no desire for religion. It wasn't going to hurt Joey to be baptized.

True. But the reason I said that is because I didn't want to hear M & G whine. lol. Another thing, I truly believe if God wants you: He'll find a way to get a hold of you.
When I have kids, I'd want my kid Baptized the day my wife gets out of the hospital.

Nighthawk76 · 04-06-2008, 12:21 AM

Like BruceWillisFan, I am also a Christian, but I felt it was wrong of Archie to go against Mike's wishes in this matter. After all, Mike is Joey's father, not Archie. Infact, Archie's actions were very unChristian.

Scoobiedoo30 · 04-06-2008, 01:24 AM

Yes I think Archie did right by having Joey Baptiz

treky · 04-06-2008, 02:54 AM

I'm also a Christian; and I definately think it was wrong! I remember thinking that back when the episode first aired in 1976 or whatever, and I still think it!!

(also, that baptism didn't "take hold" since it wasn't done by a priest)

PlayOn · 04-06-2008, 03:09 AM

I'm so glad the two of you agree with me. I was starting to feel like a bad Christian/person. lol. Like Mike said: it was very unChristian. We just have to pray for the atheist and let God deal with them.

Janice · 04-06-2008, 05:33 AM

I think Archie was wrong. It wasn't his decision to make. That's a parental decision. You can't force your beliefs on people, especially a strong-minded person like Mike Stivic. He was just asking for trouble there.

Jude The Obscure · 04-06-2008, 06:32 AM

Not to mention, Joey would still have to make his own personal decision about God later on. I was baptized as a baby, but chose later as an adult to follow Jesus on my own choice, and therefore was baptized again. (just mentioning this, not here to get into a big theological discussion

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Brian Damage · 04-06-2008, 11:04 AM

Interesting views, I guess Archie shouldn't have did what he did, but come to some sort of compromise with Archie and Edith. Or maybe not!

I guess if I was in Mike's shoes and my father in law did something behind my back, I would be pissed too.

treky · 04-06-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceWillisFan

I'm so glad the two of you agree with me. I was starting to feel like a bad Christian/person. lol. Like Mike said: it was very unChristian. We just have to pray for the atheist and let God deal with them.

exactly!

OH Nuts! · 04-06-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy for Blair

Like BruceWillisFan, I am also a Christian, but I felt it was wrong of Archie to go against Mike's wishes in this matter. After all, Mike is Joey's father, not Archie. Infact, Archie's actions were very unChristian.

Yes, the bottom line is that Michael and Gloria were the child's parents, and their "religious??" wishes should have been respected. However, in deference to Archie, a devoted grandparent, and in the spirit of compromise, M&G having Joey baptised would have been a nice gesture. IMO, M&G should have done this. There's plenty of time for Joey to form his own beliefs later on. Sometimes the Meathead really needs to lighten up!

While I understand Archie's sentiments, when you openly violate a parent's wishes you risk alienating them, which could translate into a lot less contact with the grandchild, which would be a shame.

MavFan92 · 04-08-2008, 01:51 PM

I also agree it was wrong of Archie to go behind Mike and Gloria's backs. Joey could have very well found his faith as an adult, despite having an athiest for a father. On the flip side, having Joey baptized wouldn't ensure he would be a Christian either.

Ireneparalegal · 04-08-2008, 01:59 PM

Archie was wrong. Though I understand why he did it. He believed if Joey wasn't baptized, Joey would not go to heaven when he died. Funny, coming from a man who had such views on blacks, jews and all kinds of people was worrying abt heaven and hell and he was always judging people.

04-05-2008, 09:38 PM	#1
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04-05-2008, 09:47 PM	#2
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04-06-2008, 01:24 AM	#6
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04-08-2008, 01:59 PM	#15
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04-06-2008, 12:21 AM	#5
Nighthawk76 Rachel Berry Forum Celebrity Join Date: Feb 28, 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 23,254	Like BruceWillisFan, I am also a Christian, but I felt it was wrong of Archie to go against Mike's wishes in this matter. After all, Mike is Joey's father, not Archie. Infact, Archie's actions were very unChristian.

04-06-2008, 03:09 AM	#8
PlayOn ADHD: what I have not who I am Senior Member Join Date: Jun 17, 2006 Location: I'll never tell. :p Posts: 2,745	I'm so glad the two of you agree with me. I was starting to feel like a bad Christian/person. lol. Like Mike said: it was very unChristian. We just have to pray for the atheist and let God deal with them.

04-06-2008, 05:33 AM	#9
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	I think Archie was wrong. It wasn't his decision to make. That's a parental decision. You can't force your beliefs on people, especially a strong-minded person like Mike Stivic. He was just asking for trouble there.

04-06-2008, 06:32 AM	#10
Jude The Obscure Retired Eternal Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 10, 2006 Posts: 7,520	Not to mention, Joey would still have to make his own personal decision about God later on. I was baptized as a baby, but chose later as an adult to follow Jesus on my own choice, and therefore was baptized again. (just mentioning this, not here to get into a big theological discussion )

04-06-2008, 11:04 AM	#11
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	Interesting views, I guess Archie shouldn't have did what he did, but come to some sort of compromise with Archie and Edith. Or maybe not! I guess if I was in Mike's shoes and my father in law did something behind my back, I would be pissed too.

04-08-2008, 01:51 PM	#14
MavFan92 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 13, 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 249	I also agree it was wrong of Archie to go behind Mike and Gloria's backs. Joey could have very well found his faith as an adult, despite having an athiest for a father. On the flip side, having Joey baptized wouldn't ensure he would be a Christian either.