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Darrin1Fan · 03-30-2008, 06:04 PM

When it comes to the character of Darrin - Dick York IS Darrin. Sargent simply CANNOT ACT.

However, despite this I was prepared to embrace Sargent as a person. He was someone who had to live most of life as an oppressed person as a result of his sexuality so I felt empathy for him. Also, as someone who has a disability I was happy about his staunch support of the special olympics.

Unfortunately, a few days ago these feelings were well and truly crushed when I found this article: http://members.tripod.com/~bewitchvic/sarge96.html

It seems to me now that his personality matches the awfulness of his acting. Here are my main issues:

- He seems to want to label everyone as gay (in particular George Tobias) and anyone who isn't gay is automatically homophobic (apparently Doris Day was homophobic simply because she said that she wasn't aware of Rock Hudson's sexuality!!!)

- He seems to be rather anti-heterosexual (I don't know if there's a proper term for it) particularly if you read his comment about Erin Murphy.

- Lastly he seems to be rather crude. Sargent mentions that Maurice Evans got Tyrone Power a job in return for "a different kind of job" an innuendo which he then giggles about.

This man seriously needed to get over himself. The way he kept yammering on about sexuality makes me think the only person with an issue here is Sargent himself.

Zoneboy · 03-30-2008, 06:32 PM

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I just love that last line, Everybody's favorite Darrin.

Darrin1Fan · 03-30-2008, 06:42 PM

Oh god.......don't get me started on that............

Mr. Television · 03-30-2008, 06:45 PM

The man sounds very bitter.

catlover79 · 03-30-2008, 11:44 PM

I have seen Dick Sargent in other roles (Charlie's Angels and Alice are just a few of the many episodics he did), and he was a good actor in his own right. From everything I've read, he also seemed like a great guy...but I agree, the ONLY Darrin Stephens is Dick York. Plain and simple!

AB · 03-31-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoneboy

I just love that last line, Everybody's favorite Darrin.

Holy Cow!

Maybe he was everybody's favorite in the twilight zone.

Zoneboy · 03-31-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by annball1957

Holy Cow!

Maybe he was everybody's favorite in the twilight zone.

Thank God Dick Sargent never appeared on TZ but Dick York graced us with his presence in 2 episodes.

catlover79 · 03-31-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoneboy

Thank God Dick Sargent never appeared on TZ but Dick York graced us with his presence in 2 episodes.

I LOVED those two episodes - especially "Penny for Your Thoughts". I loved that woman who was thinking...nothing.

I laughed out loud the first time I saw that one.

Ireneparalegal · 03-31-2008, 06:08 PM

I had no problems with either Darrin/Dick. The only thing that bothered me, I don't know if it is just me but I felt the second Darrin seemed somewhat sarcastic a lot of the times, an unhappy man. I don't know if they wrote his lines to make him seem that way or if that is just how he came across.

catlover79 · 03-31-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I had no problems with either Darrin/Dick. The only thing that bothered me, I don't know if it is just me but I felt the second Darrin seemed somewhat sarcastic a lot of the times, an unhappy man. I don't know if they wrote his lines to make him seem that way or if that is just how he came across.

I read somewhere, and I agree 100%, that Dick Sargent was in a lose-lose situation. If he'd copied DY, he would've been bashed. He brought his own interpretation to the role, and was bashed. Erin Murphy has always spoken very highly of both her "Darrin Daddies" in interviews, and DS always signed autographs for fans and came across very well in Herbie J. Pilato's Bewitched Forever book.

Ireneparalegal · 03-31-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by catlover79

I read somewhere, and I agree 100%, that Dick Sargent was in a lose-lose situation. If he'd copied DY, he would've been bashed. He brought his own interpretation to the role, and was bashed. Erin Murphy has always spoken very highly of both her "Darrin Daddies" in interviews, and DS always signed autographs for fans and came across very well in Herbie J. Pilato's Bewitched Forever book.

Ahhh, interesting. So I guess I was seeing something that was pretty obvious then. The new Darrin didn't bother me. As long as Samantha remained, it was good enough for me.

Jude The Obscure · 03-31-2008, 11:24 PM

Another thing--just how reliable is this article and its author? Esp when the guy gets it wrong in a few respects. Saying that Sargent was in ALL the color episodes for one. Sheesh! The fact that Elizabeth remained good friends with him after the series was done, to me, says a lot. I respected and loved her.

catlover79 · 03-31-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jude86

Another thing--just how reliable is this article and its author? Esp when the guy gets it wrong in a few respects. Saying that Sargent was in ALL the color episodes for one. Sheesh! The fact that Elizabeth remained good friends with him after the series was done, to me, says a lot. I respected and loved her.

Exactly. You can't always believe everything you read, and articles like this you have to take with a grain of salt.

ThomasE · 04-01-2008, 12:51 AM

[QUOTE=Zoneboy]I just love that last line,

Well, that is my ultimate laugh for tonight. I wonder if the writer of the article is Mr. Sargeant's cousin? LOL.

Darrin1Fan · 04-01-2008, 03:14 PM

Yeah, catlover79, I appreciate what you're saying about unreliability but the thing is the author was obviously a Sargent fan (afterall, he's apparently "everyone's favourite Darrin") so wouldn't he have presented Sargent in a more positive light, maybe editing out the stuff that makes Sargent look bad? But instead he published the article as it appears - which paints Sargent as a very unpleasant person. Personally, if I was the author and the interview had been with Dick York, as a fan, I would make sure the article made York come across as well as possible, even if that meant some selective editing.

I would have thought that as a Sargent fan this guy would have had similar thoughts.

Also, catlover79, you mentioned about how well he came across in the Bewitched Forever book. As far as I can see, in that interview Sargent made a statement that shows he obviously viewed his role as Darrin through rose-tinted glasses. Apparently, he and Montgomery were more "kissy kissy" than she was with York. Erm......hello? What show exactly was he referring to? It certainly wasn't Bewitched. I believe you yourself catlover79 have stated who you felt had the better chemistry - and it wasn't Sargent. This man was so in denial. Or maybe it's like Clint Eastwood Fan said - Sargent was just very bitter.

03-30-2008, 06:04 PM	#1
Darrin1Fan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 14, 2007 Location: UK Posts: 31	I wanted to like him......... When it comes to the character of Darrin - Dick York IS Darrin. Sargent simply CANNOT ACT. However, despite this I was prepared to embrace Sargent as a person. He was someone who had to live most of life as an oppressed person as a result of his sexuality so I felt empathy for him. Also, as someone who has a disability I was happy about his staunch support of the special olympics. Unfortunately, a few days ago these feelings were well and truly crushed when I found this article: http://members.tripod.com/~bewitchvic/sarge96.html It seems to me now that his personality matches the awfulness of his acting. Here are my main issues: - He seems to want to label everyone as gay (in particular George Tobias) and anyone who isn't gay is automatically homophobic (apparently Doris Day was homophobic simply because she said that she wasn't aware of Rock Hudson's sexuality!!!) - He seems to be rather anti-heterosexual (I don't know if there's a proper term for it) particularly if you read his comment about Erin Murphy. - Lastly he seems to be rather crude. Sargent mentions that Maurice Evans got Tyrone Power a job in return for "a different kind of job" an innuendo which he then giggles about. This man seriously needed to get over himself. The way he kept yammering on about sexuality makes me think the only person with an issue here is Sargent himself.

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03-30-2008, 06:42 PM	#3
Darrin1Fan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 14, 2007 Location: UK Posts: 31	Oh god.......don't get me started on that............

03-31-2008, 11:24 PM	#12
Jude The Obscure Retired Eternal Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 10, 2006 Posts: 7,520	Another thing--just how reliable is this article and its author? Esp when the guy gets it wrong in a few respects. Saying that Sargent was in ALL the color episodes for one. Sheesh! The fact that Elizabeth remained good friends with him after the series was done, to me, says a lot. I respected and loved her.

04-01-2008, 03:14 PM	#15
Darrin1Fan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 14, 2007 Location: UK Posts: 31	Yeah, catlover79, I appreciate what you're saying about unreliability but the thing is the author was obviously a Sargent fan (afterall, he's apparently "everyone's favourite Darrin") so wouldn't he have presented Sargent in a more positive light, maybe editing out the stuff that makes Sargent look bad? But instead he published the article as it appears - which paints Sargent as a very unpleasant person. Personally, if I was the author and the interview had been with Dick York, as a fan, I would make sure the article made York come across as well as possible, even if that meant some selective editing. I would have thought that as a Sargent fan this guy would have had similar thoughts. Also, catlover79, you mentioned about how well he came across in the Bewitched Forever book. As far as I can see, in that interview Sargent made a statement that shows he obviously viewed his role as Darrin through rose-tinted glasses. Apparently, he and Montgomery were more "kissy kissy" than she was with York. Erm......hello? What show exactly was he referring to? It certainly wasn't Bewitched. I believe you yourself catlover79 have stated who you felt had the better chemistry - and it wasn't Sargent. This man was so in denial. Or maybe it's like Clint Eastwood Fan said - Sargent was just very bitter.
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