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88survivor · 02-23-2008, 04:49 AM

http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/13804
http://www.newkerala.com/one.php?act...lnews&id=25744

Well, welcome, to the real world, Michael. You can't always remain on top.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 04:59 AM

rules are rules. If an album is over 2 years old and ever dips below #100, it goes straight to the Pop Catalog chart. Christmas albums routinely sell big #'s every season, but have to go Pop Catalog even tho there have been years where Mariah and Celine's Christmas albums could've been in the top 20, but because of their age, they just had to be on Pop Catalog. That's how it goes, you can't make a special exception for Thriller, because then they should've made an exception LAST WEEK for Tom Petty's Greatest Hits album, which sold 70,000 after the Super Bowl, despite being from 1993. Thriller is still a 1982 album no matter how many remixes they tack on to it.

Remasters/reissues of old albums come out WEEKLY with bonus tracks that were unreleased until now, and always go pop catalog if they sell well enough to chart. If Beck's special edition 2-disc version of Odelay released a few weeks ago had to chart Pop Catalog, why should Thriller chart regular? Thriller is more than twice Odelay's age. If the rules are bent for MJ, then Tom Petty, Pink Floyd and others should be able to chart "regular" as well with albums that sell well enough to be on the regular chart, but are Pop Catalog because of the age.

TJL · 02-23-2008, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 88survivor

Well, welcome, to the real world, Michael. You can't always remain on top.

Seriously, what is this album? Is it a rerelease? is it a tribute album?

Mike, get it though your drug laced head, nobody cares about you anymore.

Write some new stuff!

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 05:12 AM

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Seriously, what is this album? Is it a rerelease? is it a tribute album?

Mike, get it though your drug laced head, nobody cares about you anymore.

Write some new stuff!

it's a reissue of Thriller with a few bonus remixes tacked on to the end to try to make Michael appeal to younger audiences, because Michael obviously doesn't remember the fallout and hell The Rolling Stones, Sting and David Bowie received when they remixed classic songs with young hipper hip hop producers, even tho they at least had the good sense to just put those mixes out on an EP instead of tainting classic albums with them since they know someone who wants "Beggar's Banquet" doesn't want to hear Pharrell's voice on Sympathy For The Devil.

88survivor · 02-23-2008, 05:18 AM

Those record label bosses should kick themselves where the sun don't shine. What the hell were they trying to prove, anyway? A Top 200? A top charter? Really, either they are absented minded f*cks or they don't get what goes around comes around.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 88survivor

Those record label bosses should kick themselves where the sun don't shine. What the hell were they trying to prove, anyway? A Top 200? A top charter? Really, either they are absented minded f*cks or they don't get what goes around comes around.

I agree, what is the point of chart peaks anyways? I think hard sales should be what matters. I mean, Madonna's "American Life" went to #1 on the chart and sold 670,000, whereas "Ray Of Light" went to #2 and sold 4 million and her debut album peaked at a lowly #8 and sold 5 million. Does anyone in their right mind consider AL a more successful album than Ray or Madonna because of the chart peak?

They should just be happy they sold 170,000 copies of an album that is 25 years old instead of whining that the chart rules weren't bent for them when it's never been bent for a reissue of an older album. You just sold 170,000 of an album that was released in 1982, what's to whine about? Most albums from 1982 haven't sold 170,000 in the past ten years!

TJL · 02-23-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Winchester

it's a reissue of Thriller with a few bonus remixes tacked on to the end to try to make Michael appeal to younger audiences, because Michael obviously doesn't remember the fallout and hell The Rolling Stones, Sting and David Bowie received when they remixed classic songs with young hipper hip hop producers, even tho they at least had the good sense to just put those mixes out on an EP instead of tainting classic albums with them since they know someone who wants "Beggar's Banquet" doesn't want to hear Pharrell's voice on Sympathy For The Devil.

What is it with the Jackson family that they think they're always going to be "down with the kids?"

I haven't heard Janet's new album, but I have read more than one critic who has said that Janet is trying so hard to be young and hip, when it's pianfully obvious that she's a 41 year old woman trying to be young and hip.

Grow up!

88survivor · 02-23-2008, 12:05 PM

They don't want to be regarded as a relic in the past, so they look for other options. Madonna can appeal to both young and old because she's a smart businesswoman. She knows who to appeal for and that's how she stays stable throughout her 25 year musical career. She doesn't look for one specific group of people. She learns to appeal to all. This is the sole reason that the Jackson family clan(mainly Michael and Janet) does not appeal to both because they think appealing to the young could make them hip with the young crowd and not like yesterday's news. Shame that both these two never followed Madge's method.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 88survivor

They don't want to be regarded as a relic in the past, so they look for other options. Madonna can appeal to both young and old because she's a smart businesswoman. She knows who to appeal for and that's how she stays stable throughout her 25 year musical career. She doesn't look for one specific group of people. She learns to appeal to all. This is the sole reason that the Jackson family clan(mainly Michael and Janet) does not appeal to both because they think appealing to the young could make them hip with the young crowd and not like yesterday's news. Shame that both these two never followed Madge's method.

what I find funny is that MJ thinks the key to winning a younger market is to have his old songs reworked by Kanye, Akon and co. Looking at the number of teenagers who buy classics The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and the sort that came out when their parents were kids shows that when teens are brought up learning about how classic something is, they're gonna find it out for themselves. If a 15 year old will buy Sgt. Pepper, an album that came out in 1967, why would a 1982 release date hinder them from buying Thriller? I think MJ's stigma as a pedophile (whether true or not, a lot of people have made their mind up, much like OJ) and all around weirdo is the stumbling block to a lot of younger listeners, not the age of Thriller.

dlemond · 02-23-2008, 03:34 PM

I think the best career move for Michael Jackson would be to concentrate on the image of that of a song crafter and a mature classic performer. He should look to Stevie Wonder.

In fact, they should collaborate.

That would give MJ the class he needs and the respect he so thinks he deserves.

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dlemond

I think the best career move for Michael Jackson would be to concentrate on the image of that of a song crafter and a mature classic performer. He should look to Stevie Wonder.

In fact, they should collaborate.

That would give MJ the class he needs and the respect he so thinks he deserves.

Stevie and MJ collaborated several times in the 80's, on the Bad album and also on one of Stevie's records

Ireneparalegal · 02-23-2008, 03:38 PM

How soon before the race card is brought up?

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 03:43 PM

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How soon before the race card is brought up?

I know, it's discrimination against white women!!!!

dlemond · 02-23-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Winchester

Stevie and MJ collaborated several times in the 80's, on the Bad album and also on one of Stevie's records

I was thinking along the lines of Stevie producing an album for MJ.

Did he produce Bad?

Dean Winchester · 02-23-2008, 03:46 PM

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I was thinking along the lines of Stevie producing an album for MJ.

Did he produce Bad?

nope, Bad was all Quincy Jones

02-23-2008, 04:49 AM	#1
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02-23-2008, 03:38 PM	#12
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02-23-2008, 04:59 AM	#2
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	rules are rules. If an album is over 2 years old and ever dips below #100, it goes straight to the Pop Catalog chart. Christmas albums routinely sell big #'s every season, but have to go Pop Catalog even tho there have been years where Mariah and Celine's Christmas albums could've been in the top 20, but because of their age, they just had to be on Pop Catalog. That's how it goes, you can't make a special exception for Thriller, because then they should've made an exception LAST WEEK for Tom Petty's Greatest Hits album, which sold 70,000 after the Super Bowl, despite being from 1993. Thriller is still a 1982 album no matter how many remixes they tack on to it. Remasters/reissues of old albums come out WEEKLY with bonus tracks that were unreleased until now, and always go pop catalog if they sell well enough to chart. If Beck's special edition 2-disc version of Odelay released a few weeks ago had to chart Pop Catalog, why should Thriller chart regular? Thriller is more than twice Odelay's age. If the rules are bent for MJ, then Tom Petty, Pink Floyd and others should be able to chart "regular" as well with albums that sell well enough to be on the regular chart, but are Pop Catalog because of the age.

02-23-2008, 05:18 AM	#5
88survivor Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 03, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 1,849	Those record label bosses should kick themselves where the sun don't shine. What the hell were they trying to prove, anyway? A Top 200? A top charter? Really, either they are absented minded f*cks or they don't get what goes around comes around.

02-23-2008, 12:05 PM	#8
88survivor Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 03, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 1,849	They don't want to be regarded as a relic in the past, so they look for other options. Madonna can appeal to both young and old because she's a smart businesswoman. She knows who to appeal for and that's how she stays stable throughout her 25 year musical career. She doesn't look for one specific group of people. She learns to appeal to all. This is the sole reason that the Jackson family clan(mainly Michael and Janet) does not appeal to both because they think appealing to the young could make them hip with the young crowd and not like yesterday's news. Shame that both these two never followed Madge's method.

02-23-2008, 03:34 PM	#10
dlemond Hey, I know you. Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 03, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,751	I think the best career move for Michael Jackson would be to concentrate on the image of that of a song crafter and a mature classic performer. He should look to Stevie Wonder. In fact, they should collaborate. That would give MJ the class he needs and the respect he so thinks he deserves.