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DizzyDean · 02-16-2008, 03:39 PM

I always thought that The 1957 Trip To Europe episodes were at The Museum of Television & Radio in New York & maybe Los Angeles too! One of the recent posts about this topic, said it wasn't in their computer files... Does anyone here have a list of what Honeymooner items are available for viewing at that place, and if the American Scene Magazine episode "TV Game of the Week" can be found there? Would also like to view the 1973 "Woman's Lib" if available too!

Benno123 · 02-17-2008, 08:44 PM

Hey Dizzy!

Years ago (maybe 10 by now, maybe a few more than that) I had called the Museum looking to purchase something from their shop, and I asked to talk to someone to ask what they had in their collection. I gave the lady a couple of dates for the Gleason show, from the Honeymooners Companion published in the late 1970s, that matched the Europe shows, and she told me that they were in the collection. I would think once the museum had the shows, they wouldn't lose them or take them out of the collection.

By the way, the Los Angeles and New York museums are the same collection wise. What is at one location, a digital copy is available at the other. Or something along that line, but I know their collections match!

VIDEOWACK · 02-17-2008, 08:50 PM

Yes, THE AMERICAN SCENE MAGAZINE which contains "TV Game Of The Week" (which aired on 10/20/62) IS in the museum library. I viewed that show about one year ago, or so.

Benno123 · 02-17-2008, 08:58 PM

Is the museum's copy of that show on video, or is it the video-to-16mm transfer (or would that still be considered a kinescope?) like some of the 1960s videotaped shows seem to be?

Also, DizzyDean ... I just replied to the private message you sent me!

VIDEOWACK · 02-18-2008, 01:28 AM

It was a kinescope.

W.B. · 02-19-2008, 08:42 AM

I can vouch for that . . . other than the Oct. 11, 1973 special which contained that "Women's Lib" sketch, the only Gleason show in videotape form at what is actually now the Paley Center for Media, if only counting his 1962-1970 Saturday night shows, was his March 29, 1969 episode (in color) with Jack Benny, Robert Goulet, Alan King and Jack Haley as guests. Everything else, it seems, is indeed in B&W kinescope form. Even though Gleason had his post-1962 shows preserved on videotape.

Benno123 · 02-19-2008, 03:20 PM

I know why kinescopes were still being produced in the 1960s (for the markets that weren't connected to a network like CBS and didn't have a way to play video) but I'm surprised that the Museum would have all the shows (except for one) as "kinies." Of course, its better to have them that way then not have them at all!

The Great One · 02-19-2008, 05:53 PM

Are there Honeymooner items that can be bought at The Museum of Television & Radio that are not available anywhere else?

Benno123 · 02-19-2008, 07:08 PM

All I know is in the mid-1990s when I was in high school, I had a teacher that went to New York for the weekend. Since the museum was the only place I could find that carried the Lost Episode VHS volumes I was missing, I gave him some money and he stopped and picked them up for me. Luckily he was (and still is) a major Gleason fan so it wasn't a problem for him to do that for me. Besides the tapes and the program from the 1988 salute to Gleason, I don't think they have anything available to purchase. Now, to view and listen to in their collection .... that's another story!

The Great One · 02-20-2008, 05:40 PM

I didn't know that someone could visit the museum to view old video archives.
That's definitely something I'll want to do one day! I'm glad that they make that available to the public. Hopefully one day they will put out a DVD set that contains what's in their collection.

Benno123 · 02-20-2008, 09:48 PM

I wish they would make their database available online to view and see what is in their collection. Granted I know I couldn't watch the shows at home over the internet, but for research purposes it would be a goldmine!

The Great One · 02-21-2008, 06:34 PM

If they made their database available online that really would be great as I'm sure that there are other museums that do that. Maybe in the near future we shall see this happen.

Benno123 · 02-21-2008, 08:48 PM

The Museum of Broadcast and Communications has their databases online. They use to have streaming video of select shows in their collection, but for the time being they stopped because of bandwidth issues.

W.B. · 02-22-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Benno123

The Museum of Broadcast and Communications has their databases online. They use to have streaming video of select shows in their collection, but for the time being they stopped because of bandwidth issues.

And Chicago-based MBC is, to the best of my knowledge, of no relation to the Paley Center for Media (ex Museum of Television & Radio).

The Great One · 02-22-2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benno123

The Museum of Broadcast and Communications has their databases online. They use to have streaming video of select shows in their collection, but for the time being they stopped because of bandwidth issues.

Maybe another reason is that they are in the process of digitally restoring their audio & video collection.

02-16-2008, 03:39 PM	#1
DizzyDean And Away We Go... Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 23, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 31	Honeymooners @ Museum Of Television & Radio I always thought that The 1957 Trip To Europe episodes were at The Museum of Television & Radio in New York & maybe Los Angeles too! One of the recent posts about this topic, said it wasn't in their computer files... Does anyone here have a list of what Honeymooner items are available for viewing at that place, and if the American Scene Magazine episode "TV Game of the Week" can be found there? Would also like to view the 1973 "Woman's Lib" if available too!

02-17-2008, 08:50 PM	#3
VIDEOWACK Member Eternal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 30, 2003 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 339	Yes, *THE AMERICAN SCENE MAGAZINE* which contains "TV Game Of The Week" (which aired on 10/20/62) IS in the museum library. I viewed that show about one year ago, or so.
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02-19-2008, 05:53 PM	#8
The Great One Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Aug 29, 2006 Posts: 6,378	Are there Honeymooner items that can be bought at The Museum of Television & Radio that are not available anywhere else?
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02-17-2008, 08:44 PM	#2
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	Hey Dizzy! Years ago (maybe 10 by now, maybe a few more than that) I had called the Museum looking to purchase something from their shop, and I asked to talk to someone to ask what they had in their collection. I gave the lady a couple of dates for the Gleason show, from the Honeymooners Companion published in the late 1970s, that matched the Europe shows, and she told me that they were in the collection. I would think once the museum had the shows, they wouldn't lose them or take them out of the collection. By the way, the Los Angeles and New York museums are the same collection wise. What is at one location, a digital copy is available at the other. Or something along that line, but I know their collections match!

02-17-2008, 08:58 PM	#4
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	Is the museum's copy of that show on video, or is it the video-to-16mm transfer (or would that still be considered a kinescope?) like some of the 1960s videotaped shows seem to be? Also, DizzyDean ... I just replied to the private message you sent me!

02-18-2008, 01:28 AM	#5
VIDEOWACK Member Eternal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 30, 2003 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 339	It was a kinescope.

02-19-2008, 08:42 AM	#6
W.B. Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 23, 2005 Location: New York, New York, USA Posts: 389	I can vouch for that . . . other than the Oct. 11, 1973 special which contained that "Women's Lib" sketch, the only Gleason show in videotape form at what is actually now the Paley Center for Media, if only counting his 1962-1970 Saturday night shows, was his March 29, 1969 episode (in color) with Jack Benny, Robert Goulet, Alan King and Jack Haley as guests. Everything else, it seems, is indeed in B&W kinescope form. Even though Gleason had his post-1962 shows preserved on videotape.

02-19-2008, 03:20 PM	#7
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	I know why kinescopes were still being produced in the 1960s (for the markets that weren't connected to a network like CBS and didn't have a way to play video) but I'm surprised that the Museum would have all the shows (except for one) as "kinies." Of course, its better to have them that way then not have them at all!

02-19-2008, 07:08 PM	#9
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	All I know is in the mid-1990s when I was in high school, I had a teacher that went to New York for the weekend. Since the museum was the only place I could find that carried the Lost Episode VHS volumes I was missing, I gave him some money and he stopped and picked them up for me. Luckily he was (and still is) a major Gleason fan so it wasn't a problem for him to do that for me. Besides the tapes and the program from the 1988 salute to Gleason, I don't think they have anything available to purchase. Now, to view and listen to in their collection .... that's another story!

02-20-2008, 05:40 PM	#10
The Great One Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Aug 29, 2006 Posts: 6,378	I didn't know that someone could visit the museum to view old video archives. That's definitely something I'll want to do one day! I'm glad that they make that available to the public. Hopefully one day they will put out a DVD set that contains what's in their collection.

02-20-2008, 09:48 PM	#11
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	I wish they would make their database available online to view and see what is in their collection. Granted I know I couldn't watch the shows at home over the internet, but for research purposes it would be a goldmine!

02-21-2008, 06:34 PM	#12
The Great One Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Aug 29, 2006 Posts: 6,378	If they made their database available online that really would be great as I'm sure that there are other museums that do that. Maybe in the near future we shall see this happen.

02-21-2008, 08:48 PM	#13
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	The Museum of Broadcast and Communications has their databases online. They use to have streaming video of select shows in their collection, but for the time being they stopped because of bandwidth issues.