What's a shocking story you heard about Lucy and the gang?

[iamme]

well i would have to say that i was pretty shocked when i found out that lucy wasn't at all like lucy ricardo,and also the whole desi and cesar thing which i dont know if it is true or not

[Ireneparalegal]

Huh???

[NOVARick]

Originally Posted by iamme

well i would have to say that i was pretty shocked when i found out that lucy wasn't at all like lucy ricardo,and also the whole desi and cesar thing which i dont know if it is true or not

I tend to believe it is true. I've read that interview and it was only a little piece of it. Cesar had no beef with him, or any reason (that I could tell) to make those comments other than that they were probably true. He said it was a one time only thing. Something also apparently happened between Desi and one of his Broadway "Too Many Girls" co-stars (can't remember his name). I think Desi liked to live on the edge.

As for shocking, perhaps the comment Vivian made to Lucy after she was dragged back to the set from her vacation because of Lucy's pregnancy.

[iamme]

Originally Posted by NOVARick

As for shocking, perhaps the comment Vivian made to Lucy after she was dragged back to the set from her vacation because of Lucy's pregnancy.

what was the comment?

[YoAdrian]

Desi and Cesar? What was that about?

[NOVARick]

Originally Posted by YoAdrian

Desi and Cesar? What was that about?

Go to the following link and scroll down to the interview with Cesar Romero at the bottom of the page. In one part of it, he talks about Desi.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...nk&cd=27&gl=us

[SPLAIN]

Viv's comment to Lucy: Was it I'D TELL YOU TO GO **** YOURSELF BUT I SEE DESI'S ALREADY DONE THAT, LOL! I read that one, LOL! I believed the Cesar affair or rather one night stand right away, typical Desi, he'd done it all, seen it all, so why not? He was also quoted as saying when he had these orgies that he'd be in the same room with other guys but would not share his women with them, or rather he would not let another man join them which is what i meant to say. I have also heard the best one yet, but can't share it here or anywhere else, it would floor you all. BUT, these were Hollywood people, and like i've said a thousand times, everybody had sex with everybody back then. My favorite quote was from Bogart, who went to a Hollywood party and saw all the gorgeous faces and bodies and uttered NO WONDER THEY ALL **** EACH OTHER!

[NOVARick]

Originally Posted by SPLAIN

Viv's comment to Lucy: Was it I'D TELL YOU TO GO **** YOURSELF BUT I SEE DESI'S ALREADY DONE THAT, LOL! I read that one, LOL! I believed the Cesar affair or rather one night stand right away, typical Desi, he'd done it all, seen it all, so why not? He was also quoted as saying when he had these orgies that he'd be in the same room with other guys but would not share his women with them, or rather he would not let another man join them which is what i meant to say. I have also heard the best one yet, but can't share it here or anywhere else, it would floor you all. BUT, these were Hollywood people, and like i've said a thousand times, everybody had sex with everybody back then. My favorite quote was from Bogart, who went to a Hollywood party and saw all the gorgeous faces and bodies and uttered NO WONDER THEY ALL **** EACH OTHER!

Maybe you know this story better than I do, but it's about Desi's relationship with Betty Grable. Apparently they had an affair, I guess while he was married to Lucy? Early in their marriage? And later, Lucy and Betty became great friends. Lucy made a comment about what a "great gal" Betty was, and said something to the effect that, if she hated every woman in Hollywood that Desi had had an affair with, she wouldn't have any friends.

[SPLAIN]

Originally Posted by NOVARick

Maybe you know this story better than I do, but it's about Desi's relationship with Betty Grable. Apparently they had an affair, I guess while he was married to Lucy? Early in their marriage? And later, Lucy and Betty became great friends. Lucy made a comment about what a "great gal" Betty was, and said something to the effect that, if she hated every woman in Hollywood that Desi had had an affair with, she wouldn't have any friends.

Nope, mine involved a menage a trois but i will never name the participants. Remember the story about her inviting women to lunch and then telling all the women there that Sheilah MacRae was the only one there who had never slept with Desi? If they held a convention, they'd try for the Rose Bowl to accomodate al the ones he bedded, LOL!

[NOVARick]

Originally Posted by SPLAIN

Nope, mine involved a menage a trois but i will never name the participants. Remember the story about her inviting women to lunch and then telling all the women there that Sheilah MacRae was the only one there who had never slept with Desi? If they held a convention, they'd try for the Rose Bowl to accomodate al the ones he bedded, LOL!

I wasn't referring to the story you're talking about, but a comment Lucy made with regard to Betty Grable. I've never heard this other story about lunch with Sheila MacRae.

[*ClassicPinUp*]

Originally Posted by SPLAIN

Nope, mine involved a menage a trois but i will never name the participants.

Vivian and.... (((wait for it)))... William!

Wow, just made myself sick thinking of that one!

[Janice]

I was shocked to find out that Lucy didn't accept her grandchild. I don't care about how "the times" were or whatever. You reject your biologicial grandchild, you're a dirtbag to me. Did Desi Sr. accept her?

[NOVARick]

Originally Posted by Janice

I was shocked to find out that Lucy didn't accept her grandchild. I don't care about how "the times" were or whatever. You reject your biologicial grandchild, you're a dirtbag to me. Did Desi Sr. accept her?

According to Desi Jr., contrary to what the taboids reported, she DID accept Sean Astin (if that's who you're referring to) and would desguise herself and sneak over to visit with him. Ironically, it turned out years later (through DNA testing) that he wasn't actually Desi Jr's son. As for the first child (the girl), if that's who you're talking about, it appears neither Lucy nor Desi Sr. accepted the child as the mother raised her as a single mom. But please keep in mind, Desi Jr. was THE most famous child in the world at that time, the so-called "million dollar baby." In 1969, it would have been a HUGE scandal if it came out that he had fathered a child. It would have ended Lucy's career. Desi Jr. (and probably Lucie as well) might never have had a career. And it could have done a lot of emotional damage to Desi Jr., what with all the publicity that would have resulted, and given he was only 16 -- a child himself. Moreover, this child would have grown up in the spotlight, which perhaps would have been emotionally damaging to her. It's not only about the circumstances of the time, but the fact that these were people who were constantly in the public spotlight, which is something none of us can possibly relate to. They were the most famous family on the planet. If they had not been such public people, they would probably have responded very differently. But I suspect that, behind the scenes, Lucy must have been involved in this child's life, at least financially. Why else would this woman (the child's mother) have kept completely quiet all those years, until after Lucy died? From what I can tell, she was just a middle class woman. She had to have been given some incentive to keep quiet for all those years and be content to raise this girl alone. It's a different time now, thank goodness. The past is past. Everyone has now been accepted and fully embraced, and all parties have moved on and seem to love one another. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, no?

[SPLAIN]

Originally Posted by NOVARick

According to Desi Jr., contrary to what the taboids reported, she DID accept Sean Astin (if that's who you're referring to) and would desguise herself and sneak over to visit with him. Ironically, it turned out years later (through DNA testing) that he wasn't actually Desi Jr's son. As for the first child (the girl), if that's who you're talking about, it appears neither Lucy nor Desi Sr. accepted the child as the mother raised her as a single mom. But please keep in mind, Desi Jr. was THE most famous child in the world at that time, the so-called "million dollar baby." In 1969, it would have been a HUGE scandal if it came out that he had fathered a child. It would have ended Lucy's career. Desi Jr. (and probably Lucie as well) might never have had a career. And it could have done a lot of emotional damage to Desi Jr., what with all the publicity that would have resulted, and given he was only 16 -- a child himself. Moreover, this child would have grown up in the spotlight, which perhaps would have been emotionally damaging to her. It's not only about the circumstances of the time, but the fact that these were people who were constantly in the public spotlight, which is something none of us can possibly relate to. They were the most famous family on the planet. If they had not been such public people, they would probably have responded very differently. But I suspect that, behind the scenes, Lucy must have been involved in this child's life, at least financially. Why else would this woman (the child's mother) have kept completely quiet all those years, until after Lucy died? From what I can tell, she was just a middle class woman. She had to have been given some incentive to keep quiet for all those years and be content to raise this girl alone. It's a different time now, thank goodness. The past is past. Everyone has now been accepted and fully embraced, and all parties have moved on and seem to love one another. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, no?

End her career? Surely you jest, and i'm sorry i called you Shirley. I always thought that was the reason Lucy's will was not made public, too many payouts to people to keep quiet, LOL! As for the MacRae story, you have to get out more, Lucy 's version appeared in many books and articles over the decades. Lucy gave her mom trouble with her lifestyle as a young kid, and she got it all back in spades with her two children, both slept around a LOT over the years. A rich celebrity has to make sure these claims are valid and there was no dna testing back then to prove anything. The Patty Duke incident alone, which was all bull, taught Lucy never to believe the claims of people out to feed at Lucy's cash cow. Or wanting publicity, Lucy used to blame Patty for two years of bad headlines making her look like the wicked witch of the west, while her own son took her side and said Lucy was great in the whole mess and handled everything well.

[Janice]

Originally Posted by NOVARick

As for the first child (the girl), if that's who you're talking about, it appears neither Lucy nor Desi Sr. accepted the child as the mother raised her as a single mom. But please keep in mind, Desi Jr. was THE most famous child in the world at that time, the so-called "million dollar baby." In 1969, it would have been a HUGE scandal if it came out that he had fathered a child. It would have ended Lucy's career. Desi Jr. (and probably Lucie as well) might never have had a career. And it could have done a lot of emotional damage to Desi Jr., what with all the publicity that would have resulted, and given he was only 16 -- a child himself. Moreover, this child would have grown up in the spotlight, which perhaps would have been emotionally damaging to her. It's not only about the circumstances of the time, but the fact that these were people who were constantly in the public spotlight, which is something none of us can possibly relate to. They were the most famous family on the planet. If they had not been such public people, they would probably have responded very differently. But I suspect that, behind the scenes, Lucy must have been involved in this child's life, at least financially. Why else would this woman (the child's mother) have kept completely quiet all those years, until after Lucy died? From what I can tell, she was just a middle class woman. She had to have been given some incentive to keep quiet for all those years and be content to raise this girl alone. It's a different time now, thank goodness. The past is past. Everyone has now been accepted and fully embraced, and all parties have moved on and seem to love one another. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, no?

Desi Jr. and Lucie had careers? I think you're giving Desi Jr. too much importance regarding his place in the world. In 1969, he wasn't anybody in terms of importance. The famous baby deal was long over. Most famous family on the planet? To you or Lucy fans maybe. Ever hear of the Kennedys or The Rockefellers?

Had it come out, I really doubt that it would have affected what was left of Lucy's career. This was the 60s, free love and all that. It would have made a big media splash, but it would have died down. Even so, I can't think of a reason in the world to turn your back on your own flesh and blood. I think growing up in the spotlight would have been less damaging than a famous family sweeping you under the rug, over publicity. How heartbreaking for her. I read that only when Lucy died, did the family accept this poor girl. Disgraceful and cowardly. To have an entire family deny your existence, and write hush money checks. Sad to say that it seems as if this girl's life began when Lucy's life ended.