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Mr.Clairvoyant · 10-04-2007, 12:15 AM

Originally I used to think it was Cindy herself that was terrorizing herself and stalking her house. But the more I review the facts and the more I think about it Can't be... this poor woman was victimized the person has never been brought to justice for her death, Not to say they are not dead or in jail for something else.. As weird as this case may be, The facts are no one could do this to them self with out being crazy and demented, some may argue that she was, but to be that far gone she would not have been able to methodically plan the stalking and faking the attacks with out getting caught trying to do so.. Below are some links I found regarding the case.

Part 1
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei...vid=810746&b=2

Part 2
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei...vid=810823&b=0

Mr.Clairvoyant · 10-04-2007, 08:12 PM

I guess you guys are no longer feelin talkin bout this case.. well I ran across the video links online thought I would post !!!!

Todd Mueller · 10-04-2007, 08:26 PM

Relax, man... Not everyone can view and post right away.

Patience, grasshopper!

Mr.Clairvoyant · 10-04-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

Relax, man... Not everyone can view and post right away.

Patience, grasshopper!

Grasshopper??? I am nobodies Grasshopper !!!! You got me twisted!!!

Todd Mueller · 10-04-2007, 08:52 PM

Those were interesting to watch, although there wasn't much new information.

But what was new to me was good stuff. I did find in interesting that she had written in the hospital "Suicide is my best option and I plan on doing it when I get out of here." The message on her ex-husband's answering machine was freaky. I had never heard that before.

She was such a troubled woman, no matter what the truth is. It's too bad she didn't get more effective professional help.

I just always thought it was odd that almost none of her claims ever left evidence that she couldn't have done herself. In the original UM story, she admitted she was withholding information. I can't imagine why she would do that unless she was doing it to herself. If something was literally driving you mad and you thought your life was in danger, why would you withhold information? Another sign that it was probably staged, but definitely a sign that she was troubled. I really feel bad for her poor family.

As an aside, Neal Hall has to be one of my all time favorite people on UM. I love his shirt unbuttoned, tie down look. That guy is a riot.

Thanks for posting the links, Mr. C. And thank you for your patience!

James T · 10-05-2007, 02:44 AM

I think L'Enfant made the calls.

ididn'tdoit · 10-05-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Mueller

In the original UM story, she admitted she was withholding information. I can't imagine why she would do that unless she was doing it to herself. If something was literally driving you mad and you thought your life was in danger, why would you withhold information? Another sign that it was probably staged, but definitely a sign that she was troubled. I really feel bad for her poor family.

Well I know that if someone was threatening to kill my family I would probably think twice about telling the police everything, I mean who actually trusts the police to protect them 24-7?

crystaldawn · 10-05-2007, 08:43 AM

Thanks for the link Mr. Clairvoyant. I heard a clip of Cindy James' caller on the website her sister has for her upcoming book and it was chilling.

Todd Mueller · 10-05-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ididn'tdoit

Well I know that if someone was threatening to kill my family I would probably think twice about telling the police everything, I mean who actually trusts the police to protect them 24-7?

It just doesn't pass the smell test... She wouldn't even tell her family everything. At some point, there is no reason to hold back. Why didn't she tell the private investigator then? Why not tell her parents? They said that up to the end she admitted she was holding back but she would "explain it all when it was over." Kind of chilling statement now.

Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for Cindy because she needed help. However, I'm not sure how much of this was real and how much of this was in her head.

One theory that we've never really talked about is that maybe it started as real harassment, but then her own paranoia drove her insane and drove her to do things to herself.

I can't imagine a worse hell as a family member because you know something's wrong, but you can't stop it and the person you love who is hurting won't give the whole story.

wiseguy182 · 10-05-2007, 04:23 PM

I don't think I've ever commented about this case before. What do I think? Wackers part 2.

The withholding of information is suspiciuos. That she goes to the police at all suggest to me she isn't afraid she'll be killed, but then she withholds information which suggests she is afraid of being killed. Contradictive. IMO, it all lines up perfectly to be an inside job: nobody ever sees the attacks, no incidents when she's under surveillance, phone calls become to short to trace once they start tracing them. How would a harasser know this in advance? That over 100 separate incidents go by without a single person being witness is just too suspicious, incredible odds. Her threat of suicide really clenches it for me.

And what suspects are there? What motives? The segment vaguely mentions the harrasment started four months after her divorce, but does the husband have a motive? Did they look into this guy, or any one else for that matter?

justins5256 · 10-06-2007, 11:33 AM

If you go to a certain website and type in "Cindy James" you'll find a video taken from an episode of "A Current Affair" that profiles her story. It's an interesting watch. I always like seeing how other programs profile UM stories. The clip is also memorable because it features a young Maury Povich.

dynoguy88 · 10-10-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by justins5256

If you go to a certain website and type in "Cindy James" you'll find a video taken from an episode of "A Current Affair" that profiles her story. It's an interesting watch. I always like seeing how other programs profile UM stories. The clip is also memorable because it features a young Maury Povich.

There's also a couple links to the Canadian TV crime program W5 who also featured the case. It was chilling to hear Cindy's voice on audio tape (a taped interview of her describing one of her attacks) - after reading about the case for so many years, it was weird to actually hear her voice.

An 80s Guy · 10-10-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Thanks for the link Mr. Clairvoyant. I heard a clip of Cindy James' caller on the website her sister has for her upcoming book and it was chilling.

CD, who is the woman in your avatar?It says a name but the writing and the pic is kind of small so I am having trouble reading.

justins5256 · 10-10-2007, 07:07 PM

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CD, who is the woman in your avatar?It says a name but the writing and the pic is kind of small so I am having trouble reading.

Its Lisa Penz from the Bonnie Wilder story.

mozartpc27 · 01-30-2008, 03:12 PM

I generally agree with the suicide theory, though the one point made by the private investigator made me pause a moment: could her body really have sat where it was for two weeks with no one seeing it? It's been a while since I saw the UM segment; I suppose they determined that she'd been dead a couple of weeks when she was found?

Actually, I watched the beginning of the Canadian TV segment again jusat now, during which they show the police footage of her body being brought out to the amublence or whatever. And, just from that, I can see that the area where she was would not have been well lit, and was in a relatively secluded spot. It's ashame, but I just think she killed herself.

10-04-2007, 12:15 AM	#1
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	Cindy James (Video Link Included) Originally I used to think it was Cindy herself that was terrorizing herself and stalking her house. But the more I review the facts and the more I think about it Can't be... this poor woman was victimized the person has never been brought to justice for her death, Not to say they are not dead or in jail for something else.. As weird as this case may be, The facts are no one could do this to them self with out being crazy and demented, some may argue that she was, but to be that far gone she would not have been able to methodically plan the stalking and faking the attacks with out getting caught trying to do so.. Below are some links I found regarding the case. Part 1 http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei...vid=810746&b=2 Part 2 http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei...vid=810823&b=0

10-05-2007, 08:43 AM	#8
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10-05-2007, 04:23 PM	#10
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I don't think I've ever commented about this case before. What do I think? Wackers part 2. The withholding of information is suspiciuos. That she goes to the police at all suggest to me she isn't afraid she'll be killed, but then she withholds information which suggests she is afraid of being killed. Contradictive. IMO, it all lines up perfectly to be an inside job: nobody ever sees the attacks, no incidents when she's under surveillance, phone calls become to short to trace once they start tracing them. How would a harasser know this in advance? That over 100 separate incidents go by without a single person being witness is just too suspicious, incredible odds. Her threat of suicide really clenches it for me. And what suspects are there? What motives? The segment vaguely mentions the harrasment started four months after her divorce, but does the husband have a motive? Did they look into this guy, or any one else for that matter?
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01-30-2008, 03:12 PM	#15
mozartpc27 Vigilante Logician Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 924	I generally agree with the suicide theory, though the one point made by the private investigator made me pause a moment: could her body really have sat where it was for two weeks with no one seeing it? It's been a while since I saw the UM segment; I suppose they determined that she'd been dead a couple of weeks when she was found? Actually, I watched the beginning of the Canadian TV segment again jusat now, during which they show the police footage of her body being brought out to the amublence or whatever. And, just from that, I can see that the area where she was would not have been well lit, and was in a relatively secluded spot. It's ashame, but I just think she killed herself.
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10-04-2007, 08:12 PM	#2
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	I guess you guys are no longer feelin talkin bout this case.. well I ran across the video links online thought I would post !!!!

10-04-2007, 08:26 PM	#3
Todd Mueller Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,626	Relax, man... Not everyone can view and post right away. Patience, grasshopper!

10-04-2007, 08:52 PM	#5
Todd Mueller Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,626	Those were interesting to watch, although there wasn't much new information. But what was new to me was good stuff. I did find in interesting that she had written in the hospital "Suicide is my best option and I plan on doing it when I get out of here." The message on her ex-husband's answering machine was freaky. I had never heard that before. She was such a troubled woman, no matter what the truth is. It's too bad she didn't get more effective professional help. I just always thought it was odd that almost none of her claims ever left evidence that she couldn't have done herself. In the original UM story, she admitted she was withholding information. I can't imagine why she would do that unless she was doing it to herself. If something was literally driving you mad and you thought your life was in danger, why would you withhold information? Another sign that it was probably staged, but definitely a sign that she was troubled. I really feel bad for her poor family. As an aside, Neal Hall has to be one of my all time favorite people on UM. I love his shirt unbuttoned, tie down look. That guy is a riot. Thanks for posting the links, Mr. C. And thank you for your patience!

10-05-2007, 02:44 AM	#6
James T Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,571	I think L'Enfant made the calls.

10-06-2007, 11:33 AM	#11
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	If you go to a certain website and type in "Cindy James" you'll find a video taken from an episode of "A Current Affair" that profiles her story. It's an interesting watch. I always like seeing how other programs profile UM stories. The clip is also memorable because it features a young Maury Povich.