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Bill S. · 10-03-2007, 02:20 AM

I was searching through the archives at GettyImages.com earlier and found a whole bunch of Honeymooners pictures, most of which are new to me. I've seen a lot of pictures from this site posted on different message boards before, so I don't think there should be any issue with me posting these, but if there is, let me know and I will remove them. This will probably end up being several posts long because you are only allowed to attach 7 images per post...

I'm pretty sure these first two are from "The Worry Wart"; the third one appears to be taken from "Kramden vs. Norton" (during rehearsal); the fourth and fifth are anybody's guess; and the sixth and seventh appear to be taken from "Goodbye Aunt Ethel" (notice how high the window frame went in both the Lost Episodes & Classic 39):

Bill S. · 10-03-2007, 02:32 AM

Here's some more rehearsal pics, and a few from "Songwriters":

Bill S. · 10-03-2007, 02:44 AM

Here's a couple more from "Songwriters," a few of Audrey and her sister Jayne backstage, and a couple taken during rehearsal for 1962's "Two Below"/"Retreat To The Basement" sketch, with Sue Ann Langdon & Patricia Wilson as Alice & Trixie:

Bill S. · 10-03-2007, 03:13 AM

Alright, here's the last batch for now...just some random pics (I think they're rehearsing for "Songs & Witty Sayings" in the fourth one):

*ClassicPinUp* · 10-03-2007, 03:21 AM

Oh wow those are some really great pictures! I love pictures of them taken during rehearsals. Thanks so much for posting these!

Bill S. · 10-03-2007, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AndAwayWeGo

Oh wow those are some really great pictures! I love pictures of them taken during rehearsals. Thanks so much for posting these!

No problem. I'm so happy that I found pictures I've never seen before, it makes me wonder how many more pictures like these are out there somewhere.

The Great One · 10-03-2007, 05:16 PM

Wow!!! Awesome pictures! I have never seen them before. I think you deserve an award for such a great find. Thanks for posting the pics. Your efforts are appreciated!

powbangzooom · 10-05-2007, 04:56 PM

Amazing pics! I only recognized one of them. Wow! How sweet they are! WOo! Woo! Thanks brother Raccoon!

W.B. · 10-05-2007, 10:34 PM

So let me get this straight: The pic that is the heading of this board, with Ralph raising his left arm towards Alice, with Norton and Trixie in the background, was from the day the "Songwriters" episode first aired? Ver-r-r-ry interesting.

And the pic of the Meadows sisters' standing on their heads: Now we know where that bit in "Songs and Witty Sayings" came from.

Finally: One of the pics from 1962, the camera in the background was a Marconi Mark IV, which CBS selected to replace the antiquated TK-10/11 cameras the network used up to that point - and was used before (and on some CBS programs, two years after) the color Norelco PC-60 cameras came on the market in 1965. (No. 1, the picture was improved over the older RCA cameras, with 4.5" image orthicons vs. the 3" I.O.'s, and No. 2, the camera was made by a company other than RCA.) This was interesting, because I'd somehow thought the cameras were first used in 1963.

VIDEOWACK · 10-06-2007, 04:17 PM

Also interesting to note was the apparent use of TelePrompters attached to the DuMont Electronicams and the "stand-alone" prompter off-stage. Jackie always boasted the non-use of "prompters" or "cue-cards".....this supports director Frank Satenstein's remarks at a 1980's R.A.L.P.H. Convention here in Long Island that JG DID, in fact use written help. He went as far as to say the even dialogue was written on the steam-pipe he got trapped in at the end of "DIAL J FOR JANITOR". Still, it doesn't matter......they sure looked as if they didn't need them. Thanks for the pics!!!

Bill S. · 10-08-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by W.B.

So let me get this straight: The pic that is the heading of this board, with Ralph raising his left arm towards Alice, with Norton and Trixie in the background, was from the day the "Songwriters" episode first aired? Ver-r-r-ry interesting.

Well, if you're referring to the 2nd picture down in Post #2 of this thread, then I'm not sure what they were rehearsing for. It's definitely from some rehearsal, which might not have been the same day the episode aired, but now that you mention it, it IS possible that they were rehearsing for "Songwriters." If you take a look at the 2nd picture down in Post #3 of this thread (which is from "Songwriters"), the table cloth appears to be the same as the one in that rehearsal picture. BUT, that's also the same table cloth that can be seen in the last 3 pictures I posted in Post #1...the last two being from either "Alice's Aunt Ethel" or "Goodbye Aunt Ethel."

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Originally Posted by W.B.

And the pic of the Meadows sisters' standing on their heads: Now we know where that bit in "Songs and Witty Sayings" came from.

I was thinking that too, Jayne must have been helping her rehearse for that bit...what else could they have possibly been doing?

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Originally Posted by VIDEOWACK

He went as far as to say the even dialogue was written on the steam-pipe he got trapped in at the end of "DIAL J FOR JANITOR".

Wow, this is news to me. I knew about Jackie hiding a script in the baby's crib in "The Adoption," but not this. That makes me wonder what other little places he had hidden cue cards and whatnot...

Benno123 · 10-08-2007, 10:49 AM

I read somewhere once that Audrey and Jayne Meadows performed as a "group" a couple of times on The Jackie Gleason Show. I think they even performed the song "Dear Ralph" that they recorded, though I could be wrong. This may be where the pictures came from ... or they may just be some kind of publicity stills. None the less ... very cool pics indeed!

Bill S. · 10-08-2007, 01:10 PM

I forgot to add that the first picture from that 1962 Honeymooners sketch reveals that they did not use the same set in those sketches as they did in the 50's. As I pointed out in the first post, the window frame in both the Lost Episodes and Classic 39 extends above the set, but as you can see in that picture from 1962, the window frame is not that high.

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Originally Posted by Benno123

I think they even performed the song "Dear Ralph" that they recorded, though I could be wrong. This may be where the pictures came from ... or they may just be some kind of publicity stills. None the less ... very cool pics indeed!

They did a song called "Dear Ralph"? This is even more news to me! I've got to hear that! Can anybody confirm whether or not they performed this on the show?

W.B. · 10-09-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill S.

I forgot to add that the first picture from that 1962 Honeymooners sketch reveals that they did not use the same set in those sketches as they did in the 50's. As I pointed out in the first post, the window frame in both the Lost Episodes and Classic 39 extends above the set, but as you can see in that picture from 1962, the window frame is not that high.

It wasn't even the same set as used from the 1966 musical version of "The Adoption" up until "The Second Honeymoon" hour-long special in 1976.

W.B. · 10-09-2007, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill S.

They did a song called "Dear Ralph"? This is even more news to me! I've got to hear that! Can anybody confirm whether or not they performed this on the show?

If they did perform it, it likely would've been on the 1955-56 "Stage Show" - as I.I.N.M., the Classic 39 incarnation of The Honeymooners was still on when RCA Victor released this record, which was part of the It's Honeymooners Time album which Murray Hill put out in 1985. The Meadows sisters also did another "group" single, the year before (1955): "Hot Potato Mambo."

10-03-2007, 02:20 AM	#1
Bill S. Member Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2003 Posts: 1,112	Big picture find! I was searching through the archives at GettyImages.com earlier and found a whole bunch of Honeymooners pictures, most of which are new to me. I've seen a lot of pictures from this site posted on different message boards before, so I don't think there should be any issue with me posting these, but if there is, let me know and I will remove them. This will probably end up being several posts long because you are only allowed to attach 7 images per post... I'm pretty sure these first two are from "The Worry Wart"; the third one appears to be taken from "Kramden vs. Norton" (during rehearsal); the fourth and fifth are anybody's guess; and the sixth and seventh appear to be taken from "Goodbye Aunt Ethel" (notice how high the window frame went in both the Lost Episodes & Classic 39): Attached Images
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10-03-2007, 03:13 AM	#4
Bill S. Member Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2003 Posts: 1,112	Alright, here's the last batch for now...just some random pics (I think they're rehearsing for "Songs & Witty Sayings" in the fourth one): Attached Images

10-03-2007, 03:21 AM	#5
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10-03-2007, 05:16 PM	#7
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10-05-2007, 04:56 PM	#8
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10-03-2007, 02:32 AM	#2
Bill S. Member Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2003 Posts: 1,112	Here's some more rehearsal pics, and a few from "Songwriters": Attached Images

10-03-2007, 02:44 AM	#3
Bill S. Member Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2003 Posts: 1,112	Here's a couple more from "Songwriters," a few of Audrey and her sister Jayne backstage, and a couple taken during rehearsal for 1962's "Two Below"/"Retreat To The Basement" sketch, with Sue Ann Langdon & Patricia Wilson as Alice & Trixie: Attached Images

10-05-2007, 10:34 PM	#9
W.B. Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 23, 2005 Location: New York, New York, USA Posts: 389	So let me get this straight: The pic that is the heading of this board, with Ralph raising his left arm towards Alice, with Norton and Trixie in the background, was from the day the "Songwriters" episode first aired? Ver-r-r-ry interesting. And the pic of the Meadows sisters' standing on their heads: Now we know where that bit in "Songs and Witty Sayings" came from. Finally: One of the pics from 1962, the camera in the background was a Marconi Mark IV, which CBS selected to replace the antiquated TK-10/11 cameras the network used up to that point - and was used before (and on some CBS programs, two years after) the color Norelco PC-60 cameras came on the market in 1965. (No. 1, the picture was improved over the older RCA cameras, with 4.5" image orthicons vs. the 3" I.O.'s, and No. 2, the camera was made by a company other than RCA.) This was interesting, because I'd somehow thought the cameras were first used in 1963.

10-06-2007, 04:17 PM	#10
VIDEOWACK Member Eternal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 30, 2003 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 339	Also interesting to note was the apparent use of TelePrompters attached to the DuMont Electronicams and the "stand-alone" prompter off-stage. Jackie always boasted the non-use of "prompters" or "cue-cards".....this supports director Frank Satenstein's remarks at a 1980's R.A.L.P.H. Convention here in Long Island that JG DID, in fact use written help. He went as far as to say the even dialogue was written on the steam-pipe he got trapped in at the end of "DIAL J FOR JANITOR". Still, it doesn't matter......they sure looked as if they didn't need them. Thanks for the pics!!!
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10-08-2007, 10:49 AM	#12
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	I read somewhere once that Audrey and Jayne Meadows performed as a "group" a couple of times on The Jackie Gleason Show. I think they even performed the song "Dear Ralph" that they recorded, though I could be wrong. This may be where the pictures came from ... or they may just be some kind of publicity stills. None the less ... very cool pics indeed!