2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

[Zoneboy]

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Madonna, yes; Metallica, no for Rock Hall ballot

If for some reason I ever were offered tickets to a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, I can safely say I’d hope it would be for a year other than 2008.

The nominees for the March 2008 induction into the Hall were announced Thursday evening, and they are Madonna, the Beastie Boys, John Mellencamp, Donna Summer, Leonard Cohen, hip-hop DJ Afrika Bambaataa, the Dave Clark Five, the Ventures and Chic. Five will be chosen.

Madonna and the Beastie Boys would appear to be shoo-ins, but...I dunno...the prospect of speeches about their importance doesn't get me jazzed.

Madonna, the Beasties and Bambaataa are on the ballot in their first eligible year (25 years after the release of an artist’s first single), and Cohen, Summer and the Ventures are also first-time nominees. Mellencamp was previously on the 2004 and 2006 ballots, but maybe those Chevy Truck ads will give him that extra corporate rock credibility so he can make the cut this time.

Chic and the Dave Clark Five were on last year’s ballot -- and Fox News' Roger Friedman reported that the Dave Clark Five actually outpolled Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five only to have foundation chairman Jann Wenner rule in favor of the hip-hoppers on a technicality. Maybe the '60s Brits who gave us "Glad All Over" will get inducted this time as a make-up.

Not on this year’s ballot is the band that the Web site Future Rock Hall considered the heaviest favorite to be inducted in 2008: Metallica.


Metallica? They play loud guitars, don’t they? Why would the New York-based nominating committee want to consider a group like that?


Other first-time eligible groups this year (Future Rock Hall offers an extensive list) that didn’t make the ballot include Sonic Youth, Violent Femmes, Janet Jackson, Sting (whew), Marshall Crenshaw and, it must be noted, Wham!

You can bet Kiss fans will be pulling out the face paint to stage another protest after this latest snub. But really, getting upset at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame rejection is silly. Rock and roll is about inclusion, not exclusion, and if a club doesn’t accept the cool kids, then why would you want to be a part of it anyway?

If I were a band, I’d rather be in the club that included these non-Hall of Famers: XTC, Television, the Zombies, Buddy Guy, Tom Waits, Love, the Hollies, the Stooges, Fairport Convention/Richard Thompson, Squeeze, the Specials, the Mekons, Nick Lowe, Nick Drake, Graham Parker, Irma Thomas, Electric Light Orchestra, Genesis/Peter Gabriel, the Buzzcocks, Randy Newman, Roxy Music, Procol Harum, ABBA, Big Star, Yes, Rush, the Spinners, Gram Parsons, War, Jethro Tull, Styx and the Monkees.

I'm not a huge fan of every one of those acts (especially some of the proggers), but they each had a distinct impact on rock and roll. Mellencamp had some strong radio songs and has done good work with Farm Aid, but has he really broken more stylistic ground than, say, Peter Gabriel?

[Mikado]

If i had a vote, the only one of this bunch id vote for is Madonna...im not a big fan, but, i pretty much hate the rest of them

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Mikado

If i had a vote, the only one of this bunch id vote for is Madonna...im not a big fan, but, i pretty much hate the rest of them

Madonna has about as much business in the Rock Hall as I do. The Dave Clark Five were robbed last year so hopefully they'll make it this time.

[Mikado]

Originally Posted by Zoneboy

Madonna has about as much business in the Rock Hall as I do. The Dave Clark Five were robbed last year so hopefully they'll make it this time.

I dissagree, Madonna made significant contributions to music and how it evolved, wheras, while i have nothing against the Dave Clarke 5, they were basically a one-hit wonder and more or less a Beatles-copy band; not an innovator of any kind.

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Mikado

I dissagree, Madonna made significant contributions to music and how it evolved, wheras, while i have nothing against the Dave Clarke 5, they were basically a one-hit wonder and more or less a Beatles-copy band; not an innovator of any kind.

She made contributions so no argument there but I've never considered her to be a rock and roll artist. The Dave Clark Five were far from being a one hit wonder and I don't see them as a Beatles copy band. It's a shame to think that alot of the groups that came out of Britian after the Beatles were looked upon as copy bands. The Dave Clark Five might not have had the success that the fab four enjoyed but they were still a good band in their own right.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Mikado

I dissagree, Madonna made significant contributions to music and how it evolved, wheras, while i have nothing against the Dave Clarke 5, they were basically a one-hit wonder and more or less a Beatles-copy band; not an innovator of any kind.

I so agree with you Mikey. I am a die-hard Madonna fan. Her music stylized the 80's and you can't deny the mega millions of singles/albums she has sold. She also writes, produces, and other background work that many of these so-called "singers" never even touch because of the simple reason: they can't. Those flop acts rely on computer "help" to make their voice sound great. Madonna is a natural. She proved that when she worked with a vocalist and enhanced her voice for the EVITA soundtrack. Her voice never sounded better.

I think too many people associate the R&R Hall of Fame with that: ROCK. We know it is more than that. Why else would the Temptations be in it, they were R&B, not Rock.

[Mikado]

of course, if I ever did go to see the hall of fame, id be in the "pioneers" section, and likely ignore the rest of the place!

[Mikado]

Originally Posted by Zoneboy

The Dave Clark Five were far from being a one hit wonder and I don't see them as a Beatles copy band. .

Well, apparently they had 15 top 20 hits in 2 years, however, most people put more stock into top 10, furthermore, if you were to ask 100 typical, randomly chosen people: "Name a DC5 hit" I would bet youd get 90 "Glad all overs" and 10 never heard of thems...which is why i consider them "more or less" a one hit wonder (I never said they WERE a OHW... just that thats what I consider them, for the reason given)

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I think too many people associate the R&R Hall of Fame with that: ROCK. We know it is more than that. Why else would the Temptations be in it, they were R&B, not Rock.

The Temptations of course aren't the only artist to fit this description. Madonna may be deserving of the honor and I suspect she'll make it on her first try. The fact that she was nominated isn't what I'm ticked off about. How WHAM! could even be considered is far beyond me especially when Rush was snubbed again.

[Mikado]

Originally Posted by Zoneboy

How WHAM! could even be considered is far beyond me .

Yeah, i'll agree with you there!

*Waits for the flames from the WHAM fans at SO*

[Zoneboy]

Originally Posted by Mikado

If you were to ask 100 typical, randomly chosen people: "Name a DC5 hit" I would bet youd get 90 "Glad all overs" and 10 never heard of thems...

Unfortunately this is very true whereas you could ask the same 100 people to name any Beatle's song and you will most likely get several different replies.

[TJL]

I don't think Madonna should be on the ballot either.
Sounds like they just want her to show up for the ceremony.

And like the article said, the though of listening to a bunch of people step up to the podium and kiss her butt doesn't make me want to care.

[Zebra 3]

Not on this year’s ballot is the band that the Web site Future Rock Hall considered the heaviest favorite to be inducted in 2008: Metallica.

Metallica? They play loud guitars, don’t they? Why would the New York-based nominating committee want to consider a group like that?

'Cause Metallica is one of the top selling metal bands of all time, you moron.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Zoneboy

The Temptations of course aren't the only artist to fit this description. Madonna may be deserving of the honor and I suspect she'll make it on her first try. The fact that she was nominated isn't what I'm ticked off about. How WHAM! could even be considered is far beyond me especially when Rush was snubbed again.

I will admit, Madonna being nominated should wait several more years. I think there are those like KISS who were in the business longer who are deserving of being nominated and voted in. I am no huge KISS fan mind you, but I can say when someone is deserving of something especially for their contributions. Metallica is deserving of a nomination. I believe they have been so grossly underrated when it came to grammy time especially losing to such acts as JETHRO TULL uke:

WHAM! Please...

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Remember the Ventures?They were a 1960's instrumental group who did the ORIGINAL "Walk Don't Run"(from 1960),remade "Walk Don't Run"in 1964 as "Walk Don't Run '64",and "Hawaii Five-O"(1968)which later became the series theme,and all three were top 10 hits for them.