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waichingliu81 · 09-07-2007, 11:52 AM

Two jailed over torture death of baby boy

Reuters - 2 hours 54 minutes ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Two people who tortured a 16-month-old baby boy to death, causing him "unimaginable agony," were jailed on Friday under a new law.

Unemployed Abid Ikram, 31, and his partner Sumaira Parveen, 24, of Acton in West London, were acquitted of murder but found guilty of causing or allowing the death of Ikram's son, Talha, who died in September 2006.

The pair maintained their innocence throughout their Southwark Crown Court trial but were convicted under the law, introduced in 2004, that does not require the prosecution to prove which defendant actually carried out the fatal act.

Talha Ikram was pronounced dead on arrival at Central Middlesex Hospital in Acton in September 2006. A post mortem found the toddler to have numerous bruises and abrasions as well as a broken leg and a laceration behind the knee.

Detective Inspector Colin Welsh said that Talha had suffered a catalogue of injuries which must have caused him unimaginable agony and distress.

"Throughout the trial Ikram and Parveen cynically maintained their innocence, both knowing that their actions had cost the life of a vulnerable 16-month-old toddler," he said.

"Abid Ikram and Sumaira Parveen have been brought to justice for the death of a child without the individual who actually inflicted the fatal act being identified.

"The circumstances of this case are the exact reasons why this legislation was created. This is one of the first convictions since this legislation was brought in."

Ikram was sentenced to nine years' imprisonment for causing or allowing Talha's death and to 12 months for perverting the course of justice.

Parveen, who fled to Pakistan while on police bail but was arrested when trying to re-enter the country in November 2006, was sentenced to nine years' imprisonment and will be deported after she has served her sentence.

disgusting sentences if you ask me. 9 years and 12 months for killing a child is a ****ing disgrace. then again, this is the UK i'm referring to

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*ClassicPinUp* · 09-07-2007, 12:14 PM

Only 9 years and 12 months..talk about a throw away baby

I just can't understand these people (not that I would want to). If you don't want the kid that's fine..there are plenty of places to turn! I don't know about the UK but here in the US you can drop the baby off at a local fire house or police station and they can help take it from there.

People who could harm/kill anyone is a monster but someone who could harm or kill a baby..has no soul.

I will say this though -most people who are in prison for killing a child are usually killed quickly themselves.-

waichingliu81 · 09-07-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AndAwayWeGo

Only 9 years and 12 months..talk about a throw away baby

I just can't understand these people (not that I would want to). If you don't want the kid that's fine..there are plenty of places to turn! I don't know about the UK but here in the US you can drop the baby off at a local fire house or police station -no questions asked- and they take it from there.
People who could harm/kill anyone is a monster but someone who could harm or kill a baby..has no soul.

I will say this though -most people who are in prison for killing a child are usually killed quickly themselves.-

usually, i'd never condone violence but people like them should get their just desserts in jail. and i apologise, the guy will be serving 9 years and 12 months whilst his wife gets 9 years. should've made that clear. sorry about that

Mikado · 09-07-2007, 01:05 PM

sickening

Chocoholic · 09-07-2007, 03:21 PM

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Only 9 years and 12 months.

Apparently, the judge isn't very good at math

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I will say this though -most people who are in prison for killing a child are usually killed quickly themselves.-

Where did you hear that? I thought sex offenders and child killers were kept away from the general prison population.

I think the penalty for killing a child should be no less than death.

friendcarr · 09-07-2007, 04:48 PM

how stupid are people? HUHH... 9 years and 12 months...ARE YOU JOKING?

YOU MEAN 10 YEARS, RIGHT...

i realize the last one might not have been a full month but...

WOW..

waichingliu81 · 09-07-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by friendcarr

how stupid are people? HUHH... 9 years and 12 months...ARE YOU JOKING?

YOU MEAN 10 YEARS, RIGHT...

i realize the last one might not have been a full month but...

WOW..

wish it was a joke but that's the british justice system for you i'm afraid

*ClassicPinUp* · 09-07-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeriffic

Apparently, the judge isn't very good at math

Apparently. Then again he sentenced a killer to only 10 years...guess there's a lot of things he's not to good at.

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Originally Posted by Homeriffic

Where did you hear that? I thought sex offenders and child killers were kept away from the general prison population.

Inmates still find and have plenty of ways to reach them.

Mikado · 09-07-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AndAwayWeGo

Apparently. Then again he sentenced a killer to only 10 years...guess there's a lot of things he's not to good at.

So very well put!

Hollow · 09-07-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikado

So very well put!

amen. sounds like he's a n00b to the justice system.

dawsongirl · 09-08-2007, 12:05 AM

Like Pakistan wants that bitch back....just throw her out of a plane. Oops...door malfunction....she was just sucked out.

Courtnee · 09-08-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeriffic

Apparently, the judge isn't very good at math

I was just about to say something about that, haha.

Justice4babyT · 12-21-2007, 07:25 AM

*bump*

Hi, I've been googling this case and wondered if I could draw your attention to my website please - I am trying to campaign for these 2 'people' to recieve longer sentences for this crime and would be very grateful for any support. I have a guestbook that I intend to print off and take to No.10 when I have enough support written there.

http://uk.geocities.com/justiceforbabytalha/

Thank you in advance
best wishes
B

coffield3 · 12-21-2007, 07:42 AM

*ClassicPinUp* · 12-21-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice4babyT

*bump*

Hi, I've been googling this case and wondered if I could draw your attention to my website please - I am trying to campaign for these 2 'people' to recieve longer sentences for this crime and would be very grateful for any support. I have a guestbook that I intend to print off and take to No.10 when I have enough support written there.

http://uk.geocities.com/justiceforbabytalha/

Thank you in advance
best wishes
B

I signed your guestbook and will find others to as well. I'm not in the UK but I will do anything I can to help get justice done for that little one. What a gorgeous baby

09-07-2007, 11:52 AM	#1
waichingliu81 debbie allen Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 28, 2006 Location: london, england, UK Posts: 4,347	A Total of 9 Years and 12 Months for Torture of baby Two jailed over torture death of baby boy Reuters - 2 hours 54 minutes ago LONDON (Reuters) - Two people who tortured a 16-month-old baby boy to death, causing him "unimaginable agony," were jailed on Friday under a new law. Unemployed Abid Ikram, 31, and his partner Sumaira Parveen, 24, of Acton in West London, were acquitted of murder but found guilty of causing or allowing the death of Ikram's son, Talha, who died in September 2006. The pair maintained their innocence throughout their Southwark Crown Court trial but were convicted under the law, introduced in 2004, that does not require the prosecution to prove which defendant actually carried out the fatal act. Talha Ikram was pronounced dead on arrival at Central Middlesex Hospital in Acton in September 2006. A post mortem found the toddler to have numerous bruises and abrasions as well as a broken leg and a laceration behind the knee. Detective Inspector Colin Welsh said that Talha had suffered a catalogue of injuries which must have caused him unimaginable agony and distress. "Throughout the trial Ikram and Parveen cynically maintained their innocence, both knowing that their actions had cost the life of a vulnerable 16-month-old toddler," he said. "Abid Ikram and Sumaira Parveen have been brought to justice for the death of a child without the individual who actually inflicted the fatal act being identified. "The circumstances of this case are the exact reasons why this legislation was created. This is one of the first convictions since this legislation was brought in." Ikram was sentenced to nine years' imprisonment for causing or allowing Talha's death and to 12 months for perverting the course of justice. Parveen, who fled to Pakistan while on police bail but was arrested when trying to re-enter the country in November 2006, was sentenced to nine years' imprisonment and will be deported after she has served her sentence. disgusting sentences if you ask me. 9 years and 12 months for killing a child is a ****ing disgrace. then again, this is the UK i'm referring to pissed:

09-07-2007, 12:14 PM	#2
ClassicPinUp ***** Senior Member** Join Date: Oct 28, 2006 Posts: 2,246	Only 9 years and 12 months..talk about a throw away baby I just can't understand these people (not that I would want to). If you don't want the kid that's fine..there are plenty of places to turn! I don't know about the UK but here in the US you can drop the baby off at a local fire house or police station and they can help take it from there. People who could harm/kill anyone is a monster but someone who could harm or kill a baby..has no soul. I will say this though -most people who are in prison for killing a child are usually killed quickly themselves.-
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12-21-2007, 07:42 AM	#14
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09-07-2007, 01:05 PM	#4
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	sickening

09-07-2007, 04:48 PM	#6
friendcarr Dallas Cowboys 6-1 Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 04, 2007 Location: kansas Posts: 382	how stupid are people? HUHH... 9 years and 12 months...ARE YOU JOKING? YOU MEAN 10 YEARS, RIGHT... i realize the last one might not have been a full month but... WOW..

09-08-2007, 12:05 AM	#11
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,140	Like Pakistan wants that bitch back....just throw her out of a plane. Oops...door malfunction....she was just sucked out.

12-21-2007, 07:25 AM	#13
Justice4babyT Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 21, 2007 Posts: 5	bump Hi, I've been googling this case and wondered if I could draw your attention to my website please - I am trying to campaign for these 2 'people' to recieve longer sentences for this crime and would be very grateful for any support. I have a guestbook that I intend to print off and take to No.10 when I have enough support written there. http://uk.geocities.com/justiceforbabytalha/ Thank you in advance best wishes B