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RoryGilmore · 07-17-2007, 02:24 PM

Okay I just finished watching The First Time and all though the ep. they have Jo acting really weird and when she talks to Natalie at the end its like what the crap you told her stuff she already knew. I thought of everyone in the house Jo would be the best to talk to he. I always read that 'in the ep. the first time Natalie was the first of the girls to lose their virginity.'and I'm sure many people (me being one of them) sort of assumed that Jo had already had sex with Eddie. but apparently not. I dont know its just weird how the writers have her acting in this ep.. does anyone agree with me or am I all on my own on this one?

cavalier · 07-17-2007, 08:13 PM

yes, I agree. Jo wasn't the Jo we know and love. Maybe b/c Blair wasn't in the ep.

FOL85NatandMrsGRock · 07-17-2007, 10:41 PM

yea, i think that they should have had tootie being more there for natalie than jo becuase they are best friends, maybe that is why i am not too fond of this episode... it seemed quite out of place of characters for everyone! Also, it seemed so unrealistic how snake needed time to "think" he's a guy, what does he need to think about besides doing it again? I thought it gave a bad rep for natalie to have slept with him and then they break up... after you do that with somebody, don't you have a bond where you dont just say, ok... it's over. The situation made it seem more like a one night stand... but i too already assumed that jo had sex with eddie, i assumed that by after season 3 since eddie and jo were still together they had slept together after the marriage ep... infact, i wrote a fanfic in the middle of those two episodes that confirmed my thoughts... interesting that i'm not the only one who thought that

Erica H · 07-17-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock

yea, i think that they should have had tootie being more there for natalie than jo becuase they are best friends, maybe that is why i am not too fond of this episode... it seemed quite out of place of characters for everyone! Also, it seemed so unrealistic how snake needed time to "think" he's a guy, what does he need to think about besides doing it again? I thought it gave a bad rep for natalie to have slept with him and then they break up... after you do that with somebody, don't you have a bond where you dont just say, ok... it's over. The situation made it seem more like a one night stand... but i too already assumed that jo had sex with eddie, i assumed that by after season 3 since eddie and jo were still together they had slept together after the marriage ep... infact, i wrote a fanfic in the middle of those two episodes that confirmed my thoughts... interesting that i'm not the only one who thought that

I haven't had that much experience with guys but I know that usually they act like they like a girl until they get what they want. Then they leave. All sex is is a 3 letter and no it does not necessarily build a bond. It's silly to think that way in my opinion.

RoryGilmore · 07-18-2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock

yea, i think that they should have had tootie being more there for natalie than jo becuase they are best friends, maybe that is why i am not too fond of this episode... it seemed quite out of place of characters for everyone! Also, it seemed so unrealistic how snake needed time to "think" he's a guy, what does he need to think about besides doing it again? I thought it gave a bad rep for natalie to have slept with him and then they break up... after you do that with somebody, don't you have a bond where you dont just say, ok... it's over. The situation made it seem more like a one night stand... but i too already assumed that jo had sex with eddie, i assumed that by after season 3 since eddie and jo were still together they had slept together after the marriage ep... infact, i wrote a fanfic in the middle of those two episodes that confirmed my thoughts... interesting that i'm not the only one who thought that

Yeah the only thing normal about that ep was Snake freaking out after it happened. I've seen it happen both ways I've actually seen some guys stick around after sex but I've seen them run too. And no guys I'm not talking about my own personal experiences.

Erica H · 07-18-2007, 04:14 PM

Seems a bit dillusional to expect that just because you have been with a guy for a year that it is ok to sleep with him. I don't think it is possible to know someone after a freakin year. I thought Natalie had more sense but then again she did want people to think she had been sleeping around in the episode Sex Symbol. I guess it is just a part of always being a little "easy" like she was.

FOL85NatandMrsGRock · 07-18-2007, 06:48 PM

i agree you dont know somebody after a year as well as to sleep with them, while we are getting onto more imo conversation than the episode. I am glad that if they were going to have the one of the girls openly sleep with somebody that they did it with a character who had been in a more "serious" relationship though (it could have worked with tootie and jeff as well) rather than one of the girls just chosing to do it on the sly with some guy. Just becuase it showed that it's still not right to be "easy" in that regard. But, i still think that a lot of people thought that jo and eddie already had slept together, while they were a serious relationship as well... i sort of thought that blair and cliff had too. While i understand Lisa's decision and beliefs conflicted with this episode, i dont feel that she should have not appeared in the episode, she could have brought out her beliefs through blair, blair was religious in some aspects. I dunno, i'm kind of win win over the situation... i too am religious and chosing to wait until marriage, my fiance and i both agree and have been together for 5 years already and will have to way 1.5 more before we marry... but, a lot of my friends have already "taken the plunge" and while i dont agree with it, i dont run away from it instead of putting my small two sense in when asked... i'm sure that they could ahve worked that in, infact.. instead of jo being the one there for nat i think it would have been perfect for blair, she was great in those moments! I think this episode also would have been a LOT better with Mrs. G being there, and just SLIGHTLY involved... BA was involved wayy too much and it drove me nuts!

Erica H · 07-18-2007, 11:28 PM

Blair's beliefs might be different from Lisa's. And I think that Natalie was the worst possible person to make this happen with. They could've picked someone who seemed less desperate who would've actually been believable. Maybe they just wanted the underdog to be the one to do it.

FOL85NatandMrsGRock · 07-19-2007, 08:02 AM

yea, the whole story line seemed so unbelievable... it just didn't fit, and getting andy and pippa involved in the whole sex talk stuff... just didn't work at all! The story line would have been more appropriate around season 6 maybe, while blair and cliff were still together, they would ahve been more believable. I dunno, the episode, i understand where they were going with it, trying to just grab peoples attention the last seasons with the "drama" but it was just not fitting, it seemed so random, and the fact that they broke up afterwards just made you wonder if every other boy natalie brought into the picture, did she sleep with them too?

RoryGilmore · 07-19-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock

yea, the whole story line seemed so unbelievable... it just didn't fit, and getting andy and pippa involved in the whole sex talk stuff... just didn't work at all! The story line would have been more appropriate around season 6 maybe, while blair and cliff were still together, they would ahve been more believable. I dunno, the episode, i understand where they were going with it, trying to just grab peoples attention the last seasons with the "drama" but it was just not fitting, it seemed so random, and the fact that they broke up afterwards just made you wonder if every other boy natalie brought into the picture, did she sleep with them too?

I agree with the season 6 Blair and Cliff, it would've been a lot more believeable and then maybe if it would have been Blair she was talking to the writers wouldn't have screwed up Jo's part in it, and have her admit what we all thought, that she had already done it. Whats also good about season 6 Mrs. Garrett was there! I dont like the ep either but if they had done it earlier it might have worked.

blairmusica · 07-20-2007, 08:35 PM

Hi guys, if i remember correctly, this eps was a desperate attempt to rejuvenate the show. To that end it worked, it was the highest rated eps of that season. Lisa chose not to appear because it "condoned" pre-marital sex. It is the only episode in which Blair does not appear. I liked that Natalie was the 1st, though it seemed a bit late, Mindy Cohn totally volunteered for it. I thought the character of Snake, well-played by Richard Romanus, was dead on. i remember the scene of Jo choking on her cereal best. Oh, no Jo and Eddie never slept together due to the fact that in 82, the subject wasn't breached, so the series felt it was left unsaid and therefore suspect. All in all I liked the episode, but it did feel odd.

ABlairican Pie · 07-23-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FOL85NatandMrsGRock

i agree you dont know somebody after a year as well as to sleep with them, while we are getting onto more imo conversation than the episode. I am glad that if they were going to have the one of the girls openly sleep with somebody that they did it with a character who had been in a more "serious" relationship though (it could have worked with tootie and jeff as well) rather than one of the girls just chosing to do it on the sly with some guy. Just becuase it showed that it's still not right to be "easy" in that regard. But, i still think that a lot of people thought that jo and eddie already had slept together, while they were a serious relationship as well... i sort of thought that blair and cliff had too. While i understand Lisa's decision and beliefs conflicted with this episode, i dont feel that she should have not appeared in the episode, she could have brought out her beliefs through blair, blair was religious in some aspects. I dunno, i'm kind of win win over the situation... i too am religious and chosing to wait until marriage, my fiance and i both agree and have been together for 5 years already and will have to way 1.5 more before we marry... but, a lot of my friends have already "taken the plunge" and while i dont agree with it, i dont run away from it instead of putting my small two sense in when asked... i'm sure that they could ahve worked that in, infact.. instead of jo being the one there for nat i think it would have been perfect for blair, she was great in those moments! I think this episode also would have been a LOT better with Mrs. G being there, and just SLIGHTLY involved... BA was involved wayy too much and it drove me nuts!

This was one of the things that really frustrated and disappointed me about Lisa and her decision not to appear in the episode. The whole "This goes against my personal beliefs and I don't want to have anyone make that decision because of what we do" whole deal.
Well, how would Blair dealt with it? It just all seems to boil down to Lisa's personal hangups about sex, that God is just so angry about it, but they never really get to discuss the ramifications of it, simply because "it goes
against MY beliefs." Well, that's all well and fine, Lisa, but what does that mean for people who don't share in those beliefs? What sort of practical advice can people get from the show other than God is just mad at "sinful" sex?? It may say one thing in Scriptures, but we're dealing with people who aren't necessarily inclined to read Bibles. What practical advice could Blair give? Or are Natalie and Snake just going to hell for their decisions?

Erica H · 07-23-2007, 03:34 AM

Bottom line no one should be forced to go against their beliefs for the sake of a tv show. Like I said Blair and Lisa are different and maybe it would have seemed out of character for Blair to go against pre-marital sex just because it is what the person who plays her believes.

ABlairican Pie · 07-23-2007, 08:32 AM

I could understand it if there were a more "non-religious" reason for Lisa/Blair to object to pre/nonmarital sex, and the consequences of Natalie's actions were enough to justify it. For the record, I am a Christian who happens to not believe "God will punish you because He hates sex", etc. But we're talking about a generation of people watching the show who don't share in or don't know about Lisa's beliefs. I've been a Christian for almost thirty years and I have never been able to figure out the real reason why Christians get upset about sex. Lisa just made it come across as "this goes against my personal beliefs, and therefore I'm not going to want anyone to watch this show." But what about others' beliefs?

It's interesting that this was the only episode where Lisa's personal beliefs got in the way of her wanting to appear on the show, yet all through the series, she did things that you would think would "contradict" her personal beliefs yet she performed them anyway.

RoryGilmore · 07-23-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ABlairican Pie

It's interesting that this was the only episode where Lisa's personal beliefs got in the way of her wanting to appear on the show, yet all through the series, she did things that you would think would "contradict" her personal beliefs yet she performed them anyway.

Yeah but aparently she had a really strong belief about this, which she was all go for this in the first season but maybe she didnt care then or she didnt have a choice i dont know.

07-17-2007, 02:24 PM	#1
RoryGilmore Always and Forever Forum Veteran Join Date: Oct 30, 2004 Location: Wherever he is, that's where I'll be Posts: 6,529	The First Time Okay I just finished watching The First Time and all though the ep. they have Jo acting really weird and when she talks to Natalie at the end its like what the crap you told her stuff she already knew. I thought of everyone in the house Jo would be the best to talk to he. I always read that 'in the ep. the first time Natalie was the first of the girls to lose their virginity.'and I'm sure many people (me being one of them) sort of assumed that Jo had already had sex with Eddie. but apparently not. I dont know its just weird how the writers have her acting in this ep.. does anyone agree with me or am I all on my own on this one?
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07-17-2007, 10:41 PM	#3
FOL85NatandMrsGRock The Lovable Sarah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 07, 2000 Location: Wisconsin (Same Place Charlotte's From and where That 70's Show takes place!) .... Wish I was in Mayfield USA! Posts: 1,770	yea, i think that they should have had tootie being more there for natalie than jo becuase they are best friends, maybe that is why i am not too fond of this episode... it seemed quite out of place of characters for everyone! Also, it seemed so unrealistic how snake needed time to "think" he's a guy, what does he need to think about besides doing it again? I thought it gave a bad rep for natalie to have slept with him and then they break up... after you do that with somebody, don't you have a bond where you dont just say, ok... it's over. The situation made it seem more like a one night stand... but i too already assumed that jo had sex with eddie, i assumed that by after season 3 since eddie and jo were still together they had slept together after the marriage ep... infact, i wrote a fanfic in the middle of those two episodes that confirmed my thoughts... interesting that i'm not the only one who thought that
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07-18-2007, 11:28 PM	#8
Erica H Miss You Liyah!!! Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 22, 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 192	Blair's beliefs might be different from Lisa's. And I think that Natalie was the worst possible person to make this happen with. They could've picked someone who seemed less desperate who would've actually been believable. Maybe they just wanted the underdog to be the one to do it.
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07-17-2007, 08:13 PM	#2
cavalier Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 07, 2003 Posts: 189	yes, I agree. Jo wasn't the Jo we know and love. Maybe b/c Blair wasn't in the ep.

07-18-2007, 04:14 PM	#6
Erica H Miss You Liyah!!! Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 22, 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 192	Seems a bit dillusional to expect that just because you have been with a guy for a year that it is ok to sleep with him. I don't think it is possible to know someone after a freakin year. I thought Natalie had more sense but then again she did want people to think she had been sleeping around in the episode Sex Symbol. I guess it is just a part of always being a little "easy" like she was.

07-18-2007, 06:48 PM	#7
FOL85NatandMrsGRock The Lovable Sarah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 07, 2000 Location: Wisconsin (Same Place Charlotte's From and where That 70's Show takes place!) .... Wish I was in Mayfield USA! Posts: 1,770	i agree you dont know somebody after a year as well as to sleep with them, while we are getting onto more imo conversation than the episode. I am glad that if they were going to have the one of the girls openly sleep with somebody that they did it with a character who had been in a more "serious" relationship though (it could have worked with tootie and jeff as well) rather than one of the girls just chosing to do it on the sly with some guy. Just becuase it showed that it's still not right to be "easy" in that regard. But, i still think that a lot of people thought that jo and eddie already had slept together, while they were a serious relationship as well... i sort of thought that blair and cliff had too. While i understand Lisa's decision and beliefs conflicted with this episode, i dont feel that she should have not appeared in the episode, she could have brought out her beliefs through blair, blair was religious in some aspects. I dunno, i'm kind of win win over the situation... i too am religious and chosing to wait until marriage, my fiance and i both agree and have been together for 5 years already and will have to way 1.5 more before we marry... but, a lot of my friends have already "taken the plunge" and while i dont agree with it, i dont run away from it instead of putting my small two sense in when asked... i'm sure that they could ahve worked that in, infact.. instead of jo being the one there for nat i think it would have been perfect for blair, she was great in those moments! I think this episode also would have been a LOT better with Mrs. G being there, and just SLIGHTLY involved... BA was involved wayy too much and it drove me nuts!

07-19-2007, 08:02 AM	#9
FOL85NatandMrsGRock The Lovable Sarah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 07, 2000 Location: Wisconsin (Same Place Charlotte's From and where That 70's Show takes place!) .... Wish I was in Mayfield USA! Posts: 1,770	yea, the whole story line seemed so unbelievable... it just didn't fit, and getting andy and pippa involved in the whole sex talk stuff... just didn't work at all! The story line would have been more appropriate around season 6 maybe, while blair and cliff were still together, they would ahve been more believable. I dunno, the episode, i understand where they were going with it, trying to just grab peoples attention the last seasons with the "drama" but it was just not fitting, it seemed so random, and the fact that they broke up afterwards just made you wonder if every other boy natalie brought into the picture, did she sleep with them too?

07-20-2007, 08:35 PM	#11
blairmusica Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 10, 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 100	Hi guys, if i remember correctly, this eps was a desperate attempt to rejuvenate the show. To that end it worked, it was the highest rated eps of that season. Lisa chose not to appear because it "condoned" pre-marital sex. It is the only episode in which Blair does not appear. I liked that Natalie was the 1st, though it seemed a bit late, Mindy Cohn totally volunteered for it. I thought the character of Snake, well-played by Richard Romanus, was dead on. i remember the scene of Jo choking on her cereal best. Oh, no Jo and Eddie never slept together due to the fact that in 82, the subject wasn't breached, so the series felt it was left unsaid and therefore suspect. All in all I liked the episode, but it did feel odd.

07-23-2007, 03:34 AM	#13
Erica H Miss You Liyah!!! Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 22, 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 192	Bottom line no one should be forced to go against their beliefs for the sake of a tv show. Like I said Blair and Lisa are different and maybe it would have seemed out of character for Blair to go against pre-marital sex just because it is what the person who plays her believes.

07-23-2007, 08:32 AM	#14
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	I could understand it if there were a more "non-religious" reason for Lisa/Blair to object to pre/nonmarital sex, and the consequences of Natalie's actions were enough to justify it. For the record, I am a Christian who happens to not believe "God will punish you because He hates sex", etc. But we're talking about a generation of people watching the show who don't share in or don't know about Lisa's beliefs. I've been a Christian for almost thirty years and I have never been able to figure out the real reason why Christians get upset about sex. Lisa just made it come across as "this goes against my personal beliefs, and therefore I'm not going to want anyone to watch this show." But what about others' beliefs? It's interesting that this was the only episode where Lisa's personal beliefs got in the way of her wanting to appear on the show, yet all through the series, she did things that you would think would "contradict" her personal beliefs yet she performed them anyway.