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TJ · 07-06-2007, 04:48 PM

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/20...-networks.html

Discuss.

Ireneparalegal · 07-06-2007, 04:58 PM

Ok, they are going on Nielsen ratings and like it was pointed out in the blog, if 10 Nielsen watchers are watching Fresh Prince and 1000 NON Nielsen people watch Mary Tyler Moore, then what is the point of the Nielsen, really? It seems only NIELSEN MATTERS. What abt the voice of the people through other mediums?

People complain on the networks' websites, people email and snail mail these networks, but do they pay attention to that feedback? Nielsen is NOT the only thing they (the networks) should pay attention to.

Mr. Television · 07-06-2007, 05:07 PM

Its a big sellout. These networks use the people to start their networks up and as soon as they become successful they sell out. They become what every other network is. They tell their audience that made them a success in the first place...thanks...but we don't need you anymore. And they had to have been successful in the first place. It was their niche programming that got them picked up by these cable companies. People calling the companies as well asking that so and so be added to the lineup. And I do believe they don't care about classic television or anything. It's always the bottom line with them. And thats why I barely watch N@N, TV Land, AMC, GSN and I can go on and on....anymore.

Ireneparalegal · 07-06-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Walking Tall

Its a big sellout. These networks use the people to start their networks up and as soon as they become successful they sell out. They become what every other network is. They tell their audience that made them a success in the first place...thanks...but we don't need you anymore. And they had to have been successful in the first place. It was their niche programming that got them picked up by these cable companies. People calling the companies as well asking that so and so be added to the lineup. And I do believe they don't care about classic television or anything. It's always the bottom line with them. And thats why I barely watch N@N, TV Land, AMC, GSN and I can go on and on....anymore.

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Not to mention, it seems every other network and cable channel is showing FRESH PRINCE. It is obvious that what works on one network, the other networks/cable channels follow suit. Rather than being "different" they simply want RATINGS. It really seems like this is what the networks are saying: if FRESH PRINCE is what brings in ratings, then, to hell with any other shows and the audience.

Mr. Television · 07-06-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

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Not to mention, it seems every other network and cable channel is showing FRESH PRINCE. It is obvious that what works on one network, the other networks/cable channels follow suit. Rather than being "different" they simply want RATINGS. It really seems like this is what the networks are saying: if FRESH PRINCE is what brings in ratings, then, to hell with any other shows and the audience.

They should just start The Fresh Prince Network....all Fresh Prince...24 hours a day.

crusty · 07-06-2007, 05:21 PM

I am tired of hearing that "they need to make money argument" as a justification of airing their crap, especially considering the fact that I am paying $55 a month for a cable bill and being left unsatisfied with their stupid programming decisions.

Ireneparalegal · 07-06-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Walking Tall

They should just start The Fresh Prince Network....all Fresh Prince...24 hours a day.

Hey, I wouldn't put it past some network to do that. N&N seems to already be on that path.

AKA · 07-06-2007, 05:42 PM

I haven't had cable since I moved to California three months ago. And surprisingly, I don't miss it.

Mr. Television · 07-06-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA

I haven't had cable since I moved to California three months ago. And surprisingly, I don't miss it.

All I use it for mainly is for sports and movies. Their are an awful lot of cable channels that could be blank for all I care.

Chelsea · 07-06-2007, 05:57 PM

It's impossible for networks to sell out, as the entire point of a business is to deliver the highest profit possible. You don't have to like it - Lord knows I've lost most interest in the television business, but it IS the way it is.

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I am tired of hearing that "they need to make money argument" as a justification of airing their crap, especially considering the fact that I am paying $55 a month for a cable bill and being left unsatisfied with their stupid programming decisions.

If you don't like it, drop the cable package. Enough people drop the package and your cable company will drop the channel to the digital tier or off their lineup entirely. At that point the network's household availability drops.

Of course, here's where life's a...female dog. If the availability drops, but the dropped carriage doesn't eliminate any Nielsen households, then the network's audience share actually goes UP. Ain't life wonderful.

I'd flip to see N@N running Odd Couple, WKRP, Mary Tyler Moore, and a bunch of other shows I'm crazy about. But for whatever reason, the industry likes the Nielsen system, so that's what we're stuck with. But the example I cited, 10 Fresh Prince vs. 1000 Murphy Brown...is very unrealistic. In reality, it probably is closer to 1000 Fresh Prince vs. 10 Murphy Brown. But I needed to make the point.

Chelsea · 07-06-2007, 05:59 PM

There ARE a few networks that still care about their audience. AmericanLife is one for sure. They want to program shows their audience will enjoy, not just what delivers the best ratings. (a reason they're not behding over backwards for better carriage). In a perfect world, that's how things would work. But it's not a perfect world, sadly.

Chelsea · 07-06-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

People complain on the networks' websites, people email and snail mail these networks, but do they pay attention to that feedback? Nielsen is NOT the only thing they (the networks) should pay attention to.

It helps better than saying nothing, but not a lot. Regular mail works a lot better. If they get enough viewer feedback, then they DO have proof that there IS an audience perhaps not represented by the Nielsen numbers. That's how Jericho got renewed.

Should they listen to their viewers more? Damn straight. But sadly, they don't.

Mr. Television · 07-06-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth

It's impossible for networks to sell out, as the entire point of a business is to deliver the highest profit possible. You don't have to like it - Lord knows I've lost most interest in the television business, but it IS the way it is.

If you don't like it, drop the cable package. Enough people drop the package and your cable company will drop the channel to the digital tier or off their lineup entirely. At that point the network's household availability drops.

Of course, here's where life's a...female dog. If the availability drops, but the dropped carriage doesn't eliminate any Nielsen households, then the network's audience share actually goes UP. Ain't life wonderful.

I'd flip to see N@N running Odd Couple, WKRP, Mary Tyler Moore, and a bunch of other shows I'm crazy about. But for whatever reason, the industry likes the Nielsen system, so that's what we're stuck with. But the example I cited, 10 Fresh Prince vs. 1000 Murphy Brown...is very unrealistic. In reality, it probably is closer to 1000 Fresh Prince vs. 10 Murphy Brown. But I needed to make the point.

The problem is you can't drop just that one channel. The cable companies have it set up so you have to drop others as well so people are stuck with them. That's why I don't belive Comcast when they talk about how its unfair for some costumers to have to pay for the NFL Network when they don't watch it. I bet most costumers don't watch half the channels they get.

As for Fresh Prince...I do like that show and would chose it over MB anyday of the week but I wouldn't want to watch it 24 hours a day.

crusty · 07-06-2007, 06:15 PM

[QUOTE=Seth]
If you don't like it, drop the cable package. Enough people drop the package and your cable company will drop the channel to the digital tier or off their lineup entirely. At that point the network's household availability drops.
[quote/]

You seem to forget, that dropping individual channels is not an option with most major cable providers. Therefore, for the time being we are stuck paying for cable channels we do not want.

crusty · 07-06-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Walking Tall

That's why I don't belive Comcast when they talk about how its unfair for some costumers to have to pay for the NFL Network when they don't watch it. I bet most costumers don't watch half the channels they get.

I actually watch the NFL Network. The above that you wrote is a perfect example of the bad judgment calls that the people in charge of the networks and cable service make on a daily basis when it comes to programming choices.

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07-06-2007, 05:07 PM	#3
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Its a big sellout. These networks use the people to start their networks up and as soon as they become successful they sell out. They become what every other network is. They tell their audience that made them a success in the first place...thanks...but we don't need you anymore. And they had to have been successful in the first place. It was their niche programming that got them picked up by these cable companies. People calling the companies as well asking that so and so be added to the lineup. And I do believe they don't care about classic television or anything. It's always the bottom line with them. And thats why I barely watch N@N, TV Land, AMC, GSN and I can go on and on....anymore.
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07-06-2007, 05:21 PM	#6
crusty Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 11, 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 19	I am tired of hearing that "they need to make money argument" as a justification of airing their crap, especially considering the fact that I am paying $55 a month for a cable bill and being left unsatisfied with their stupid programming decisions.

07-06-2007, 05:42 PM	#8
AKA Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Posts: 15,746	I haven't had cable since I moved to California three months ago. And surprisingly, I don't miss it.

07-06-2007, 05:59 PM	#11
Chelsea Semi-retired Forum Veteran Join Date: Jan 07, 2001 Location: Washington Posts: 5,727	There ARE a few networks that still care about their audience. AmericanLife is one for sure. They want to program shows their audience will enjoy, not just what delivers the best ratings. (a reason they're not behding over backwards for better carriage). In a perfect world, that's how things would work. But it's not a perfect world, sadly.

07-06-2007, 06:15 PM	#14
crusty Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 11, 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 19	[QUOTE=Seth] If you don't like it, drop the cable package. Enough people drop the package and your cable company will drop the channel to the digital tier or off their lineup entirely. At that point the network's household availability drops. [quote/] You seem to forget, that dropping individual channels is not an option with most major cable providers. Therefore, for the time being we are stuck paying for cable channels we do not want.