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SP4CE INV4DERZ · 07-02-2007, 07:36 AM

Ok it's my turn to start a new topic and here's a major one that's not all that discussed here. It's fair to say that this is the "mother" of all UFO sightings. I think the majority of people believe life is possible outside of our Solar System but it doesn't contain little green men in flying saucers who can travel light years here...and then crash into our planet! But this seems to be one of the more believeable UFO cases..so what do you think of the Roswell UFO case?

One problem (for me) is that all the first-hand eye-wittness' who are still alive were only small children then who are now so old it's hard to believe them. Would have loved to have seen an interview with "Mac" Brazel too. I think I'll just use the excuse that I wasn't alive at the time and wouldn't have a freakin clue.

mozartpc27 · 07-02-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Space Invaderz

Ok it's my turn to start a new topic and here's a major one that's not all that discussed here. It's fair to say that this is the "mother" of all UFO sightings. I think the majority of people believe life is possible outside of our Solar System but it doesn't contain little green men in flying saucers who can travel light years here...and then crash into our planet! But this seems to be one of the more believeable UFO cases..so what do you think of the Roswell UFO case?

One problem (for me) is that all the first-hand eye-wittness' who are still alive were only small children then who are now so old it's hard to believe them. Would have loved to have seen an interview with "Mac" Brazel too. I think I'll just use the excuse that I wasn't alive at the time and wouldn't have a freakin clue.

Call me naive, but I believe the military's later (1990s) explanation that this was a hi-tech, hi-altitude balloon basically used for spying. The only thing I think they may have left out is the possibility this balloon was bigger than they let on, and was manned, accounding for the bodies. If it was a high altitude balloon, and it lost pressure in the upper atmosphere, the people inside would likely be slightly disfigured in a way consistent with death by depressurization (the heads, for example, would be slightly enlarged, accounting for what witnesses later described as bodies with heads too large for their bodies).

The odds against actual aliens are astronomically large (pardon the pun). Extraterrestrial explanations of earthly phenomenon are, for me anyway, an "I'll believe it when I see it" proposition.

Thiussat · 07-04-2007, 07:25 AM

It's not true that all remaining Roswell witnesses were children at the time of the event. Col. Phillip Corso wrote a book about his experience with the "aliens," and about his involvement in the recovery effort. Whether you want to believe his story or not is another question. The title of his book is "The Day After Roswell." He died several years ago.

In 2002, another man named Walter Haupt (who was public relations officer at the Roswell Army Airfield in 1947) wrote a signed affidavit from his death bed, only to be opened after he died. He died a couple of years ago and the affidavit was opened. In it, he made numerous statements about what he saw, and he claims there were numerous dead alien creatures captured as well as an "egg" shaped craft. He also mentioned that there was a clear cover-up by the base commander and others. Haupt is the man who released the initial Roswell story that hit the newspapers. He is also the guy who was later told to retract it.

Then you have Glenn Dennis, who was a man in his 20's at the time. He was a mortician at the local funeral home and claims that the military had paid him a visit and asked him for "child sized caskets." Later, as he went to the base, he saw a military truck with some of the debris in the back. His story is on the UM segment.

I haven't made my mind up on whether I think the above accounts are true, but I think it would be a stretch to discount every aspect of every story as a pack of lies.

The "Project Mogul" explanation that the military provided in the 90's seems reasonable at first glance, but there were many technically inclined people at the airfield who claim there is no way it was a baloon of any type. Later, the military tried to say that the dead bodies that the witnesses reported seeing were a result of crash test dummies that were dropped during high-altitude parachute experiments. However, the silly thing about this explanation is that it is written in the military's own documents that this project did not start until the 1950's.

I think EBE's do exist somewhere in this galaxy and beyond, but the technical explanation as to how they get here is what I would like for someone to explain. The believers never seem to contemplate the physical limitations of space travel and the relativistic light speed barrier. Unless they have some method of creating and holding open Einstein-Rosen bridges, then I find the prospect of frequent travel to earth from there unlikely.

AVERMAN · 07-06-2007, 12:22 AM

Unsolved Mysteries made 2 segments regarding Roswell. The first was one simply titled Roswell, which talks about the events of the Roswell incident. A second segment was also made called Roswell/Area 51 Connection, which in my opinion is a waste of time as it adds no new information, and doesn't really show the connection between the 2. It might as well have been included in the 1st segment.

Arnold_OldSchool · 08-13-2011, 02:28 PM

For years embalmer Glenn Dennis has told an intriguing Roswell crash tale. If true, it leaves no doubt that what fell to Earth in July of 1947 in New Mexico sands was from another world. However Glenn's story has been disputed by researchers as having serious difficulties. Today, some have all but dismissed his purported involvement in the crash events.

But new interviews and information show that the undertaker's amazing story may well have basis in fact. And a fresh look may have uncovered the possible identity of the "missing nurse" at the Roswell base who decades ago revealed to Glenn the alien reality of the crash.

GLENN'S STORY

Glenn Dennis could only happen in a place like New Mexico. His top shirt button always clasped, he often wore a bolero. His frame was lanky but always upright- standing at least two feet taller than desert brush. A marvel of shortened hyperbole, tongue-in-cheek cusses and flirtations- this is how family remembers Glenn.

Glenn Dennis is now on the far side of 85…

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and a shell of his former self. He is reported to be in gravely ill health. But in July of 1947, he was an energetic young man busily employed as a Mortuary Assistant for the Ballard Funeral Home in Roswell, NM. Ballard's had a long-standing contract with the Roswell military base to provide ambulance and mortuary services….

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Dennis signed an affidavit two decades ago that outlined some very unusual events that he had experienced that Summer of 1947. He maintained that he had received a strange call while at Ballard's from an officer at the Roswell base a short time after the Roswell crash. The officer was inquiring about the availability of hermetically-sealed baby caskets. Glenn was also questioned about body preservation methods. Dennis replied that he could provide the caskets- and that the best way to preserve the corpses would be to have them frozen. The officer also wanted to know about tissue and blood changes that might occur if bodies were out in the open, exposed to the elements. Curious about the odd call, Dennis asked the officer if something had happened at the base. He was told that the information was simply for "future reference."

Soon after, Dennis was summoned to the base to pick up an injured airman. He says that on his return, he viewed what appeared to be some very strange debris from some sort of wreckage. He saw the debris in the backs of base vehicles as he slowly and deliberately passed through a ramp exit. One of the debris pieces was "canoe shaped" and about three feet long. It appeared to have odd colored hues like burnt steel, but it was not steel. It had inscribed on it 3"-4" high "hieroglyphics" that ran in a pattern along the contour of the wreckage piece.

Glenn was spotted observing the material by an officer, who then stopped Glenn and loudly rebuked him. He demanded to know of Glenn who he was, why he was there and what else he may have seen. He told Dennis to say nothing of what he may have witnessed. Glenn told the officer to "Go to Hell." He was a civilian who would not be talked to in that manner. The officer then threatened "Don't kid yourself, they'll be picking your bones out of the sand!"

Glenn explains that Roswell's Sheriff George Wilcox made a visit to Glenn's father's house a couple of days later. Wilcox (a friend of Glenn's father) warned the elder Dennis to let Glenn know that he had better keep quiet about anything he may have known or seen at the base that day.

GLENN'S CONTROVERSY

The part of Glenn's story that is the most controversial-

Dennis states that while Sheriff Wilcox was at his father's, Glenn was actually returning to the base to see a nurse friend. He wanted to know if she had heard anything about all of this. They discussed what she knew over Cokes at a base dining area.

She told Glenn that she had earlier witnessed a horrific site. A doctor had pulled her into a room for assistance where there she had viewed three strange "foreign bodies'" that were being examined. She nauseated from the wretching stench. She described to Glenn a classic alien humanoid form, which she had drawn on a napkin for Glenn.

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The creature had an enlarged head, slit-like mouth with vestigial nose and ears, unusual eyes and enlongated arms. Hysterical in the re-telling, the nurse then admonished Dennis to leave the base immediately. That is the last Dennis ever saw of her.

In the 1990s holes began to emerge in Glenn's story. Glenn had given researchers the name of the Roswell base nurse as "Naomi Self" - which later proved to be a phony name. He also told conflicting stories about what had become of the nurse. He said that she had died in a plane crash, that she went to England and even that she joined a convent. There are other problems with Glenn's story. He mentioned a doctor who he said was involved, but who was later proven could not have been. It is rumored that Glenn may have asked for compensation for later interviews. And Glenn helped to establish the Roswell UFO museum, which became a source of (modest) personal income for a brief period of time.

SUPPORT FOR GLENN

Despite all of this, there are several reasons why Glenn's tale should not be dismissed-

1) Supporting Glenns' story is the fact that he never sought to tell it. He was found. Researcher Stan Friedman first interviewed Glenn on August 5, 1989. Friedman found Glenn because Friedman had reasoned that the Roswell undertaker may have heard something about the incident. Only later did Dennis become public on the matter.

2) The former Chief of Police for Roswell, L. M. Hall, signed an affidavit in which he recalls that -just a few days after the July 1947 crash- Dennis had recounted to him the odd call from the base about the availability of child caskets.

3) A Roswell base medical technician in 1947, David Wagnon, signed an affidavit that he remembers the nurse as described by Dennis

4) Glenn's grandson, Kelly Abbott, states on a family history website that Glenn told his Roswell story to his close family in the 1980s. This was after the first Roswell book was published in 1980, but before "all of the books and movies" had come out in the 1990s about the incident. He says "Papa told the story with the sense that it was about time someone knew what happened. This is before he had spoken publicly."

5) Glenn's high school classmate was Rogene Cordes. I recently found and contacted Rogene. She is the widow of an Air Force General and believes Glenn implicitly. She was also a neighbor of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox. Mrs. Cordes says that she knows that Glenn is telling the truth. She is cautious in relating her knowledge, but she indicates that there are things about Glenn's story that she knows happened at the time, including the involvement of Sheriff Wilcox and the call to Glenn about ice for bodies. Rogene mentions that she could not find any ice or dry ice anywhere that crash weekend. Not at Clardy's dairy nor at the train depot, which stored and sold dry ice. Glenn had told the base officer that the best way to preserve corpses was to freeze them. The military had found their ice.

6) A Roswell Army Air Field serviceman in 1947, Sgt. Milton Sprouse (who spent ten years in the military) remembers distinctly Glenn speaking of the event decades ago. Sprouse says that a few years after the crash he had seen Glenn at a mutual friend's funeral. Glenn brought up in conversation the base's strange call inquiring about the child caskets.

7) Glenn's close friend was Mollie Abramitis. Mollie recently related to me an extraordinary story. She was visiting New Mexico from her home in California in April of 1989. Glenn was managing the Wortley Hotel at the time. Glenn invited her and others for dinner. He then told a small group of close friends gathered at the hotel's dining room that he had an important story to tell them. It had been troubling him for a very long time. He felt compelled and ready to share it with them. He said that he was worried that the story had "gotten out" and he was concerned about approaches for interviews about the subject. He told Mollie and the others assembled at the Wortley the precise ET story that he told publicly much later. Mollie said that Glenn appeared genuinely concerned, even frightened. An ex-police officer at the table beseeched Glenn that he must speak out publicly and tell all that he knows, that it would be the best form of "personal protection." Glenn rarely drank. But this time, Mollie says, after he had told his astonishing story, Glenn partook of some liquid courage.

8) Glenn's fraternal twin Bob Dennis (now deceased) was alway reluctant to discuss his brother's story. John Price was Bob Dennis' close friend. Bob explained to John that he was overseas in the military when the Roswell crash had happened. But his father told him about it when he returned from the service. Bob said that his father was very good friends with Sheriff Wilcox. He said that Wilcox and his Deputy (Tommy Thompson) did in fact come to the house and warned their father to make sure that Glenn says nothing of the event. It is likely that Glenn's father was told much more about the crash event by his Sheriff friend. This is because Bob Dennis said that his father made him promise to never reveal any details about the event. Bob kept that promise to his death, always saying the it was Glenn's story to tell.

9) The 1947 Roswell Fire Chief's son was identified and contacted by me recently. Rue was living in the Roswell area at the time of the crash and knew Dennis, as did his father. He stated sparingly, and not wishing to elaborate, that "everything that Glenn says happened."

GLENN'S MISSING NURSE - FOUND?

Glenn's "nurse friend" has never been conclusively identified. Glenn did not provide researchers with her real name, if she existed. But then again...she just may have. Reexamination of old documents -and the confessions of a Roswell family- reveal that there are two very likely candidates:

Eileen (Adeline) Fanton was a 1st Lieutenant that was very briefly attached to the Roswell Army Airfield Station Hospital as a General Nurse- from December 26, 1946 until September 4, 1947:

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· According to military records Lt. Eileen Fanton (single) was 5'l" and 100 pounds, with dark hair and eyes and of Italian descent. Dennis described the nurse that he had known as "small like Audrey Hepburn, with short black hair, dark eyes and olive skin."
· Fanton was a graduate of a Catholic academy and Catholic nursing school. Glenn said that his nurse was "raised as a strict Catholic."
· Fanton is confirmed to have later served a tour duty in England. Dennis had mentioned England as (one of) the places he thought that the nurse may have relocated.
· Fanton was educated by nuns. Dennis has offered an alternate story that he had heard that the nurse had later become a nun. Fanton left the Roswell base weeks after her meeting with Glenn. She was admitted to a hospital for a reputed "D&C" abortion procedure. She retired from military service in 1955 and was never located to be questioned. She is believed deceased.

Ms. Miriam Bush:

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In July of 1947 Miriam Bush was a single 27 year old woman who (according to records and family) was employed by the Roswell base. Though not a "nurse"- she was a medical secretary in base hospital services.
· Like the "nurse" that Glenn described, Miriam was smallish and attractive, with black, short-cut hair and dark eyes.
· Glenn had offered the faked name of "Naomi Self" as the identity of his missing nurse. "Miriam" may well be an anagram of sorts for "Naomi." Both "Miriam" and "Naomi" have the same length of letters, as do the last names "Bush" and "Self."
· Amazingly (according to her brother George, her sister Jean and her sister-in-law Patricia) Miriam would arrive at her parents home one day after work in the Summer of 1947. She was tearful and in shock. She had described to her family a horrible event that had occured earlier that day. She was pulled into a base hospital room by a doctor who wanted her to be aware of something. She sickened as her eyes cast upon "little bodies" on gurneys in the middle of the room. These bodies were childlike but they were not children. They were strange- with massive heads and eyes that were not at all right. She told her family that she begged God to let her forget the sight.
· Traumatized, Miriam would flee New Mexico shortly thereafter and go to California where she remained for years without communicating with those back home. Alcoholic, Miriam would commit suicide at very end of 1989. 1989 is the very year that Glenn "went public" with his Roswell story.

GLENN'S TRUTH

Glenn has mixed misdirection with truth. He used storytelling devices to hide or obfuscate identities. His concern for protecting privacy was in conflict with his desire to get out the story. He saw others making money on the story and -ever the businessman- thought he'd profit some as well. He may have injected some imagination into history to awaken interest. Perhaps he did it to supplement a story where the real facts could not be obtained.

It could even be that Glenn was himself not the "involved" one, but was covering for another. Or it may be that his father had confided to Glenn the story that he had learned from friend Sheriff George Wilcox. It must also be remembered that flirtatious Glenn was a newlywed with an expectant and homebound wife at the time of the Roswell crash. His "relationship" with the nurse may have been more than casual- another possible reason for his evasiveness.

Whatever the case, there can be no doubt that there is a true -but hidden- "core story" somewhere to be found within Glenn's fascinating tale.

Perhaps Kelly Abbott, Glenn's grandson, sums the Roswell undertaker's tale best: "While it's true that his heart may have always been in the right place, his brain often got him in trouble. To many who've lived their lives and will die in Roswell, Glenn was their undertaker. Trust in him is a given. To those of us who know him better, the truth of the matter is far more complicated.

scc1222 · 08-14-2011, 01:41 AM

I don't believe in aliens;I think God created humans and that's it a far as intelligent life in the universe goes.(JMO,I don't mind if anyone diagrees).
that said,I think it was most likely a hoax perpetrated by the gov't,to make other countries think we may have advanced technology.I think they had to retract the story (or maybe they planned to anyway) once they saw how much it was affecting the public and seemed to be getting out of control.

don't forget the smoking gun theory,which imo,applies to ufo's...if you see it on earth,it's FROM earth.

JMO.

Arnold_OldSchool · 08-14-2011, 11:17 AM

What Unsolved Mysteries UFO segment had Aliens laying in tents - dead from a crash?

zack007attack · 08-14-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SP4CE INV4DERZ

Ok it's my turn to start a new topic and here's a major one that's not all that discussed here. It's fair to say that this is the "mother" of all UFO sightings. I think the majority of people believe life is possible outside of our Solar System but it doesn't contain little green men in flying saucers who can travel light years here...and then crash into our planet! But this seems to be one of the more believeable UFO cases..so what do you think of the Roswell UFO case?

I have no doubts this UFO incident occured. Many debunkers try to use the saying "why come to this small piece of real estate (Earth) but they really should ask, "why not?".

If the strange wreckage found on Brazel's ranch was indeed a military secret-weapon, I doubt it was one of our own, more likely a Soviet craft. That doesn't seem as likely as it being an extra-terrestrial craft. MAJ Jesse Marcel (brought in by the local sheriff) was an Army Intelligence officer at nearby Roswell Army Air Base (the home to the military's then single atomic-bomb unit) looked extensively at the wreckage and couldn't tell what it was. He was an officer with a top secret security clearance; if this strange debris was a military craft of our own he would most likely be able to tell but he couldn't. Neither could he come out and dispute the cover-up story about the wreckage not being a weather balloon because he could get in serious trouble with his job if he did.

In the UM segment, nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman (a well known ufologist) stated how the army would have every reason to cover up the truth about this incident. It occured in July of 1947 (not quite two years after WWII, the most devastating war the planet has ever seen); and a potentially new conflict was under way with the emergence of the Soviet Union. The public would have gone into chaos if they learned of some strange enemy out of this world with new technology that we could or could not match.

scc1222 · 08-15-2011, 05:40 AM

that's a good thought,too,that it may have been from another country.I could be wrong,but then again,applying the smoking gun theory,if it was seen in the usa..then it's probably *from the usa.

zack007attack · 08-15-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scc1222

that's a good thought,too,that it may have been from another country.I could be wrong,but then again,applying the smoking gun theory,if it was seen in the usa..then it's probably *from the usa.

Not necessarily. Like I mentioned earlier, if anyone knew about top secret weaponry or craft operated by the military, then Jesse Marcel certainly would be one of them. Since Roswell Army Air Base was the home of the Air Force's 509th Bombardament Wing (who by the way, conducted the atom bomb droppings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki), it seems perfectly clear why our enemies/rivals would have spycraft looming around that area; to gain intel about our atomic weapons stash. I learned in one of my history classes that Stalin had spies in our country who were feeding him intel about the Manhattan Project before the bombings in Japan; he very well would have a good idea of the vicinity where we might keep our nukes.

scc1222 · 08-15-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zack007attack

Not necessarily. Like I mentioned earlier, if anyone knew about top secret weaponry or craft operated by the military, then Jesse Marcel certainly would be one of them. Since Roswell Army Air Base was the home of the Air Force's 509th Bombardament Wing (who by the way, conducted the atom bomb droppings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki), it seems perfectly clear why our enemies/rivals would have spycraft looming around that area; to gain intel about our atomic weapons stash. I learned in one of my history classes that Stalin had spies in our country who were feeding him intel about the Manhattan Project before the bombings in Japan; he very well would have a good idea of the vicinity where we might keep our nukes.

good thought;whatever happened,the decision was made to quickly convert it from an out-of-this-world scenario.I wonder if we will ever know the truth.I just don't buy the alien nonsense.that was just a quick cover story,imo.

Arnold_OldSchool · 12-20-2014, 04:22 AM

Two men are at the center of a baffling mystery outside Roswell, New Mexico, after they seemed to disappear from the scene of a serious car crash - only to reappear seven hours later in a field of donkeys.

The unidentified men, who admitted to police they had been drinking, rolled their car around 2am on Friday outside the town synonymous with aliens and UFO's.

Emergency responders and firefighters all arrived at the scene of the crash but failed to find any of the occupants of the car, but were called seven hours later by the driver who told the 911 dispatcher he had no memory of the night before.

New Mexico State Police Lt. Emanuel Gutierrez confirmed two men rolled their vehicle into the median of U.S. 70 West, but also said they could not find anyone at the scene.

'The driver stated that he and his passenger where drinking at Way Out West and doesn’t remember what happened next,' Gutierrez said to the Plains Online News.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3MQM0FgKy

Zoneboy · 05-04-2015, 04:24 PM

Link

A prominent person in Roswell recently died. He was buried before a lot of people even knew he was gone.

Glenn Dennis said he was one of the witnesses of the 1947 UFO crash near Roswell. He passed away on Tuesday and was laid to rest sometime this week.

While Dennis’ family has chosen not to come forward with the details of his death, KOB took a look back at his legacy.

He was a founder of Roswell's famous UFO Museum.

His claim to fame? He claims someone called him about needing sealed caskets.

At the time, he was working at Ballard Funeral home. He also claims a nurse confided in him about seeing alien bodies.

Over the years, his stories have been featured in several books written about the UFO crash.

In early 1990, he and Lieutenant Walter Haut got together with realtor Max Littell to form the UFO Museum.

"Of course most of us thought to ourselves, 'why would you do that?'” said former Roswell Mayor Bill Owen. “How many people could ever have an interest in coming to where Roswell is to see a UFO museum?"

Owen was on city council when the museum was founded.

He says Dennis had a vision for the museum, believing it would be a success even when others doubted it.

"They certainly had the foresight and the dedication and the dream to make this museum happen, and of course they did. Roswell is the beneficiary of their early work and their early desire to see something made of this incident," said Owen.

Now the UFO Museum sees 180,000 visitors every year from around the world and has sparked the city’s tourism industry.

Owen says Dennis contributed to Roswell greatly and will be missed.

"[He] was a great person to have involved within our community and he will be greatly missed,” said Owen. “He certainly contributed many great things, many great ideas. He will be missed for sure."

neognosis · 05-04-2015, 10:22 PM

um my first time i heard of roswell

Arnold_OldSchool · 04-28-2017, 01:45 PM

http://culturecrossfire.com/etc/crim...smicwatergate/

UFO investigator Stanton Friedman covers the Roswell case, politicians and astronauts who have spoken about alien life being real, the mechanical and technical necessities of interplanetary flight, evidence of UFO landings and more!

http://culturecrossfire.com/etc/crim...ienabductions/
Stanton Friedman covers the infamous abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, quotes from politicians and others on the reality of UFOs truly existing, leaked government papers on UFO investigations, the Alien Autopsy video, and other evidence.

07-02-2007, 07:36 AM	#1
SP4CE INV4DERZ 40-0 0WN3D Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2004 Posts: 630	Roswell 1947 Ok it's my turn to start a new topic and here's a major one that's not all that discussed here. It's fair to say that this is the "mother" of all UFO sightings. I think the majority of people believe life is possible outside of our Solar System but it doesn't contain little green men in flying saucers who can travel light years here...and then crash into our planet! But this seems to be one of the more believeable UFO cases..so what do you think of the Roswell UFO case? One problem (for me) is that all the first-hand eye-wittness' who are still alive were only small children then who are now so old it's hard to believe them. Would have loved to have seen an interview with "Mac" Brazel too. I think I'll just use the excuse that I wasn't alive at the time and wouldn't have a freakin clue.

05-04-2015, 04:24 PM	#13
Zoneboy RIP, I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU :( Moderator Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 13, 2003 Location: AT HOME WISHING ALL THIS WAS JUST A DREAM AND THAT I'LL WAKE UP FROM THIS NIGHTMARE. Posts: 34,422	Glenn Dennis, Founder of Roswell's UFO Museum quietly passes away Link A prominent person in Roswell recently died. He was buried before a lot of people even knew he was gone. Glenn Dennis said he was one of the witnesses of the 1947 UFO crash near Roswell. He passed away on Tuesday and was laid to rest sometime this week. While Dennis’ family has chosen not to come forward with the details of his death, KOB took a look back at his legacy. He was a founder of Roswell's famous UFO Museum. His claim to fame? He claims someone called him about needing sealed caskets. At the time, he was working at Ballard Funeral home. He also claims a nurse confided in him about seeing alien bodies. Over the years, his stories have been featured in several books written about the UFO crash. In early 1990, he and Lieutenant Walter Haut got together with realtor Max Littell to form the UFO Museum. "Of course most of us thought to ourselves, 'why would you do that?'” said former Roswell Mayor Bill Owen. “How many people could ever have an interest in coming to where Roswell is to see a UFO museum?" Owen was on city council when the museum was founded. He says Dennis had a vision for the museum, believing it would be a success even when others doubted it. "They certainly had the foresight and the dedication and the dream to make this museum happen, and of course they did. Roswell is the beneficiary of their early work and their early desire to see something made of this incident," said Owen. Now the UFO Museum sees 180,000 visitors every year from around the world and has sparked the city’s tourism industry. Owen says Dennis contributed to Roswell greatly and will be missed. "[He] was a great person to have involved within our community and he will be greatly missed,” said Owen. “He certainly contributed many great things, many great ideas. He will be missed for sure."
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07-04-2007, 07:25 AM	#3
Thiussat Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 601	It's not true that all remaining Roswell witnesses were children at the time of the event. Col. Phillip Corso wrote a book about his experience with the "aliens," and about his involvement in the recovery effort. Whether you want to believe his story or not is another question. The title of his book is "The Day After Roswell." He died several years ago. In 2002, another man named Walter Haupt (who was public relations officer at the Roswell Army Airfield in 1947) wrote a signed affidavit from his death bed, only to be opened after he died. He died a couple of years ago and the affidavit was opened. In it, he made numerous statements about what he saw, and he claims there were numerous dead alien creatures captured as well as an "egg" shaped craft. He also mentioned that there was a clear cover-up by the base commander and others. Haupt is the man who released the initial Roswell story that hit the newspapers. He is also the guy who was later told to retract it. Then you have Glenn Dennis, who was a man in his 20's at the time. He was a mortician at the local funeral home and claims that the military had paid him a visit and asked him for "child sized caskets." Later, as he went to the base, he saw a military truck with some of the debris in the back. His story is on the UM segment. I haven't made my mind up on whether I think the above accounts are true, but I think it would be a stretch to discount every aspect of every story as a pack of lies. The "Project Mogul" explanation that the military provided in the 90's seems reasonable at first glance, but there were many technically inclined people at the airfield who claim there is no way it was a baloon of any type. Later, the military tried to say that the dead bodies that the witnesses reported seeing were a result of crash test dummies that were dropped during high-altitude parachute experiments. However, the silly thing about this explanation is that it is written in the military's own documents that this project did not start until the 1950's. I think EBE's do exist somewhere in this galaxy and beyond, but the technical explanation as to how they get here is what I would like for someone to explain. The believers never seem to contemplate the physical limitations of space travel and the relativistic light speed barrier. Unless they have some method of creating and holding open Einstein-Rosen bridges, then I find the prospect of frequent travel to earth from there unlikely.

07-06-2007, 12:22 AM	#4
AVERMAN Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 12, 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 241	Unsolved Mysteries made 2 segments regarding Roswell. The first was one simply titled Roswell, which talks about the events of the Roswell incident. A second segment was also made called Roswell/Area 51 Connection, which in my opinion is a waste of time as it adds no new information, and doesn't really show the connection between the 2. It might as well have been included in the 1st segment.

08-13-2011, 02:28 PM	#5
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	For years embalmer Glenn Dennis has told an intriguing Roswell crash tale. If true, it leaves no doubt that what fell to Earth in July of 1947 in New Mexico sands was from another world. However Glenn's story has been disputed by researchers as having serious difficulties. Today, some have all but dismissed his purported involvement in the crash events. But new interviews and information show that the undertaker's amazing story may well have basis in fact. And a fresh look may have uncovered the possible identity of the "missing nurse" at the Roswell base who decades ago revealed to Glenn the alien reality of the crash. GLENN'S STORY Glenn Dennis could only happen in a place like New Mexico. His top shirt button always clasped, he often wore a bolero. His frame was lanky but always upright- standing at least two feet taller than desert brush. A marvel of shortened hyperbole, tongue-in-cheek cusses and flirtations- this is how family remembers Glenn. Glenn Dennis is now on the far side of 85… glen2.jpg and a shell of his former self. He is reported to be in gravely ill health. But in July of 1947, he was an energetic young man busily employed as a Mortuary Assistant for the Ballard Funeral Home in Roswell, NM. Ballard's had a long-standing contract with the Roswell military base to provide ambulance and mortuary services…. glen1.jpg Dennis signed an affidavit two decades ago that outlined some very unusual events that he had experienced that Summer of 1947. He maintained that he had received a strange call while at Ballard's from an officer at the Roswell base a short time after the Roswell crash. The officer was inquiring about the availability of hermetically-sealed baby caskets. Glenn was also questioned about body preservation methods. Dennis replied that he could provide the caskets- and that the best way to preserve the corpses would be to have them frozen. The officer also wanted to know about tissue and blood changes that might occur if bodies were out in the open, exposed to the elements. Curious about the odd call, Dennis asked the officer if something had happened at the base. He was told that the information was simply for "future reference." Soon after, Dennis was summoned to the base to pick up an injured airman. He says that on his return, he viewed what appeared to be some very strange debris from some sort of wreckage. He saw the debris in the backs of base vehicles as he slowly and deliberately passed through a ramp exit. One of the debris pieces was "canoe shaped" and about three feet long. It appeared to have odd colored hues like burnt steel, but it was not steel. It had inscribed on it 3"-4" high "hieroglyphics" that ran in a pattern along the contour of the wreckage piece. Glenn was spotted observing the material by an officer, who then stopped Glenn and loudly rebuked him. He demanded to know of Glenn who he was, why he was there and what else he may have seen. He told Dennis to say nothing of what he may have witnessed. Glenn told the officer to "Go to Hell." He was a civilian who would not be talked to in that manner. The officer then threatened "Don't kid yourself, they'll be picking your bones out of the sand!" Glenn explains that Roswell's Sheriff George Wilcox made a visit to Glenn's father's house a couple of days later. Wilcox (a friend of Glenn's father) warned the elder Dennis to let Glenn know that he had better keep quiet about anything he may have known or seen at the base that day. GLENN'S CONTROVERSY The part of Glenn's story that is the most controversial- Dennis states that while Sheriff Wilcox was at his father's, Glenn was actually returning to the base to see a nurse friend. He wanted to know if she had heard anything about all of this. They discussed what she knew over Cokes at a base dining area. She told Glenn that she had earlier witnessed a horrific site. A doctor had pulled her into a room for assistance where there she had viewed three strange "foreign bodies'" that were being examined. She nauseated from the wretching stench. She described to Glenn a classic alien humanoid form, which she had drawn on a napkin for Glenn. glen.jpg The creature had an enlarged head, slit-like mouth with vestigial nose and ears, unusual eyes and enlongated arms. Hysterical in the re-telling, the nurse then admonished Dennis to leave the base immediately. That is the last Dennis ever saw of her. In the 1990s holes began to emerge in Glenn's story. Glenn had given researchers the name of the Roswell base nurse as "Naomi Self" - which later proved to be a phony name. He also told conflicting stories about what had become of the nurse. He said that she had died in a plane crash, that she went to England and even that she joined a convent. There are other problems with Glenn's story. He mentioned a doctor who he said was involved, but who was later proven could not have been. It is rumored that Glenn may have asked for compensation for later interviews. And Glenn helped to establish the Roswell UFO museum, which became a source of (modest) personal income for a brief period of time. SUPPORT FOR GLENN Despite all of this, there are several reasons why Glenn's tale should not be dismissed- 1) Supporting Glenns' story is the fact that he never sought to tell it. He was found. Researcher Stan Friedman first interviewed Glenn on August 5, 1989. Friedman found Glenn because Friedman had reasoned that the Roswell undertaker may have heard something about the incident. Only later did Dennis become public on the matter. 2) The former Chief of Police for Roswell, L. M. Hall, signed an affidavit in which he recalls that -just a few days after the July 1947 crash- Dennis had recounted to him the odd call from the base about the availability of child caskets. 3) A Roswell base medical technician in 1947, David Wagnon, signed an affidavit that he remembers the nurse as described by Dennis 4) Glenn's grandson, Kelly Abbott, states on a family history website that Glenn told his Roswell story to his close family in the 1980s. This was after the first Roswell book was published in 1980, but before "all of the books and movies" had come out in the 1990s about the incident. He says "Papa told the story with the sense that it was about time someone knew what happened. This is before he had spoken publicly." 5) Glenn's high school classmate was Rogene Cordes. I recently found and contacted Rogene. She is the widow of an Air Force General and believes Glenn implicitly. She was also a neighbor of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox. Mrs. Cordes says that she knows that Glenn is telling the truth. She is cautious in relating her knowledge, but she indicates that there are things about Glenn's story that she knows happened at the time, including the involvement of Sheriff Wilcox and the call to Glenn about ice for bodies. Rogene mentions that she could not find any ice or dry ice anywhere that crash weekend. Not at Clardy's dairy nor at the train depot, which stored and sold dry ice. Glenn had told the base officer that the best way to preserve corpses was to freeze them. The military had found their ice. 6) A Roswell Army Air Field serviceman in 1947, Sgt. Milton Sprouse (who spent ten years in the military) remembers distinctly Glenn speaking of the event decades ago. Sprouse says that a few years after the crash he had seen Glenn at a mutual friend's funeral. Glenn brought up in conversation the base's strange call inquiring about the child caskets. 7) Glenn's close friend was Mollie Abramitis. Mollie recently related to me an extraordinary story. She was visiting New Mexico from her home in California in April of 1989. Glenn was managing the Wortley Hotel at the time. Glenn invited her and others for dinner. He then told a small group of close friends gathered at the hotel's dining room that he had an important story to tell them. It had been troubling him for a very long time. He felt compelled and ready to share it with them. He said that he was worried that the story had "gotten out" and he was concerned about approaches for interviews about the subject. He told Mollie and the others assembled at the Wortley the precise ET story that he told publicly much later. Mollie said that Glenn appeared genuinely concerned, even frightened. An ex-police officer at the table beseeched Glenn that he must speak out publicly and tell all that he knows, that it would be the best form of "personal protection." Glenn rarely drank. But this time, Mollie says, after he had told his astonishing story, Glenn partook of some liquid courage. 8) Glenn's fraternal twin Bob Dennis (now deceased) was alway reluctant to discuss his brother's story. John Price was Bob Dennis' close friend. Bob explained to John that he was overseas in the military when the Roswell crash had happened. But his father told him about it when he returned from the service. Bob said that his father was very good friends with Sheriff Wilcox. He said that Wilcox and his Deputy (Tommy Thompson) did in fact come to the house and warned their father to make sure that Glenn says nothing of the event. It is likely that Glenn's father was told much more about the crash event by his Sheriff friend. This is because Bob Dennis said that his father made him promise to never reveal any details about the event. Bob kept that promise to his death, always saying the it was Glenn's story to tell. 9) The 1947 Roswell Fire Chief's son was identified and contacted by me recently. Rue was living in the Roswell area at the time of the crash and knew Dennis, as did his father. He stated sparingly, and not wishing to elaborate, that "everything that Glenn says happened." GLENN'S MISSING NURSE - FOUND? Glenn's "nurse friend" has never been conclusively identified. Glenn did not provide researchers with her real name, if she existed. But then again...she just may have. Reexamination of old documents -and the confessions of a Roswell family- reveal that there are two very likely candidates: Eileen (Adeline) Fanton was a 1st Lieutenant that was very briefly attached to the Roswell Army Airfield Station Hospital as a General Nurse- from December 26, 1946 until September 4, 1947: adeline.jpg · According to military records Lt. Eileen Fanton (single) was 5'l" and 100 pounds, with dark hair and eyes and of Italian descent. Dennis described the nurse that he had known as "small like Audrey Hepburn, with short black hair, dark eyes and olive skin." · Fanton was a graduate of a Catholic academy and Catholic nursing school. Glenn said that his nurse was "raised as a strict Catholic." · Fanton is confirmed to have later served a tour duty in England. Dennis had mentioned England as (one of) the places he thought that the nurse may have relocated. · Fanton was educated by nuns. Dennis has offered an alternate story that he had heard that the nurse had later become a nun. Fanton left the Roswell base weeks after her meeting with Glenn. She was admitted to a hospital for a reputed "D&C" abortion procedure. She retired from military service in 1955 and was never located to be questioned. She is believed deceased. Ms. Miriam Bush: miriam.jpg In July of 1947 Miriam Bush was a single 27 year old woman who (according to records and family) was employed by the Roswell base. Though not a "nurse"- she was a medical secretary in base hospital services. · Like the "nurse" that Glenn described, Miriam was smallish and attractive, with black, short-cut hair and dark eyes. · Glenn had offered the faked name of "Naomi Self" as the identity of his missing nurse. "Miriam" may well be an anagram of sorts for "Naomi." Both "Miriam" and "Naomi" have the same length of letters, as do the last names "Bush" and "Self." · Amazingly (according to her brother George, her sister Jean and her sister-in-law Patricia) Miriam would arrive at her parents home one day after work in the Summer of 1947. She was tearful and in shock. She had described to her family a horrible event that had occured earlier that day. She was pulled into a base hospital room by a doctor who wanted her to be aware of something. She sickened as her eyes cast upon "little bodies" on gurneys in the middle of the room. These bodies were childlike but they were not children. They were strange- with massive heads and eyes that were not at all right. She told her family that she begged God to let her forget the sight. · Traumatized, Miriam would flee New Mexico shortly thereafter and go to California where she remained for years without communicating with those back home. Alcoholic, Miriam would commit suicide at very end of 1989. 1989 is the very year that Glenn "went public" with his Roswell story. GLENN'S TRUTH Glenn has mixed misdirection with truth. He used storytelling devices to hide or obfuscate identities. His concern for protecting privacy was in conflict with his desire to get out the story. He saw others making money on the story and -ever the businessman- thought he'd profit some as well. He may have injected some imagination into history to awaken interest. Perhaps he did it to supplement a story where the real facts could not be obtained. It could even be that Glenn was himself not the "involved" one, but was covering for another. Or it may be that his father had confided to Glenn the story that he had learned from friend Sheriff George Wilcox. It must also be remembered that flirtatious Glenn was a newlywed with an expectant and homebound wife at the time of the Roswell crash. His "relationship" with the nurse may have been more than casual- another possible reason for his evasiveness. Whatever the case, there can be no doubt that there is a true -but hidden- "core story" somewhere to be found within Glenn's fascinating tale. Perhaps Kelly Abbott, Glenn's grandson, sums the Roswell undertaker's tale best: "While it's true that his heart may have always been in the right place, his brain often got him in trouble. To many who've lived their lives and will die in Roswell, Glenn was their undertaker. Trust in him is a given. To those of us who know him better, the truth of the matter is far more complicated.

08-14-2011, 01:41 AM	#6
scc1222 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 02, 2011 Posts: 547	I don't believe in aliens;I think God created humans and that's it a far as intelligent life in the universe goes.(JMO,I don't mind if anyone diagrees). that said,I think it was most likely a hoax perpetrated by the gov't,to make other countries think we may have advanced technology.I think they had to retract the story (or maybe they planned to anyway) once they saw how much it was affecting the public and seemed to be getting out of control. don't forget the smoking gun theory,which imo,applies to ufo's...if you see it on earth,it's FROM earth. JMO.

08-14-2011, 11:17 AM	#7
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	What Unsolved Mysteries UFO segment had Aliens laying in tents - dead from a crash?

08-15-2011, 05:40 AM	#9
scc1222 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 02, 2011 Posts: 547	that's a good thought,too,that it may have been from another country.I could be wrong,but then again,applying the smoking gun theory,if it was seen in the usa..then it's probably *from the usa.

12-20-2014, 04:22 AM	#12
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	Two men are at the center of a baffling mystery outside Roswell, New Mexico, after they seemed to disappear from the scene of a serious car crash - only to reappear seven hours later in a field of donkeys. The unidentified men, who admitted to police they had been drinking, rolled their car around 2am on Friday outside the town synonymous with aliens and UFO's. Emergency responders and firefighters all arrived at the scene of the crash but failed to find any of the occupants of the car, but were called seven hours later by the driver who told the 911 dispatcher he had no memory of the night before. New Mexico State Police Lt. Emanuel Gutierrez confirmed two men rolled their vehicle into the median of U.S. 70 West, but also said they could not find anyone at the scene. 'The driver stated that he and his passenger where drinking at Way Out West and doesn’t remember what happened next,' Gutierrez said to the Plains Online News. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3MQM0FgKy

05-04-2015, 10:22 PM	#14
neognosis Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 18, 2014 Location: kansas Posts: 430	um my first time i heard of roswell

04-28-2017, 01:45 PM	#15
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 681	http://culturecrossfire.com/etc/crim...smicwatergate/ UFO investigator Stanton Friedman covers the Roswell case, politicians and astronauts who have spoken about alien life being real, the mechanical and technical necessities of interplanetary flight, evidence of UFO landings and more! http://culturecrossfire.com/etc/crim...ienabductions/ Stanton Friedman covers the infamous abduction of Betty and Barney Hill, quotes from politicians and others on the reality of UFOs truly existing, leaked government papers on UFO investigations, the Alien Autopsy video, and other evidence.