Jule Caylor

[wiseguy182]

I know the Contra Costa article has been posted here several times, but it's rather long (five parts), plus the Contra Costa links don't hold up, so I thought I'd summarize it and in additon provie a link that appears to hold up better. It's on a different site, but I believe it's the same article.

Anywho, the article details more things that make Jule Caylor more suspicious. I don't believe any of these were mentioned in the UM segment, at least I don't recall that they were.

-The article goes into greater detail about Dottie's plans to leave Jule. It is learned that since Jule was transfering to Utah, and Dottie planned to stay where she was, that she planned to buy Jule's half of the house, thus owning her own house for their first time in her life. In addition to her own bank account, it is learned that Dottie inherited $5000 around this time. (a substantial amount, even moreso in those days.) That check for $5000 expired sometime in 1985 (Dottie went missing on 6/12/85), and was never cashed. (highly unlikely somebody would just throw away 5k). Also, it is learned that Dottie was meeting singles at the church she started attending. I don't recall if the segment mentioned that Dottie officially filed for divorce, but the article states that she did. Dottie would disappear on Jule's last day working at their California residence. Dottie almost escaped Jule's wrath, but unfortunately just missed it. (really tragic, as she had everything lined up perfectly to leave him.)

-The article also goes into greater detail about their marriage. It is learned that Jule (who often went on work-related trips - he worked for the Forest Service) cheated on Dottie, many times. Dottie had acquired lots of evidence of this. It is also learned that she checked herself into a battered women's shelter after the typing stand incident in 1981, that left a gaping wound above her left eye. It is also learned that in addition to being physically and mentally abusive to Dottie, Jule was also threating her, and Dottie was feared for her life.

-The article also talks about Jule's suspicious behavior immediately following Dottie's disappearance. Among the items that were left in Dottie's car were her driver's license and her medical card. The woman that Jule was having an affair with at the time of Dottie's disappearance said that around that time her and Jule planned on getting together, but Jule cancelled, stating that he had to clean up a huge mess that Dottie and Jule's renters had made at their rental property - only they didn't have a rental property. Around this time, Jule was also seen pouring a concrete patio, which neighbors found unusual as Jule never did househould projects. Another peculiar instance involving neighbors occured when Jule popped his head over a neighbors fence as they were about to remove some ivy. Jule said that if they did that, the fence would come crashing down. The neighbors didn't remove the ivy at that time, but did 10 years later and found a meat cleaver with the end heavily taped (I believe this has been mentioned on the boards.)

The above might hint that Dottie was buried in her own backyard, however someone else speculated that since Jule worked for the Forest service, that he might have buried her in a remote section of a forest in an attempt to prevent the body from ever being found.

A couple of interesting side notes: Jule (had the nerve) to run for the Utah House of Representatives (I don't think he won.) Also, the article talks about Jule being thrown out of a Wendy's for making a mess at their salad bar (remember when Wendy's had salad bars?), and Jule wrote an 8 page letter to the manager talking about his ability to construct a salad, and included a picture of a well put together salad.

I apologize if this is old news, but most of it was news to me.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums....php?t637.html

[phillipscurve]

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus, another Joe Owens(the concrete patio), go figure. Thanks for the article wiseguy. In the UM segment it is mentioned that Dottie suffered from agoraphobia(fear of leaving your "comfort zone",your home) or is it acrophobia(fear of heights)?

[Kane]

Originally Posted by phillipscurve

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus, another Joe Owens(the concrete patio), go figure. Thanks for the article wiseguy. In the UM segment it is mentioned that Dottie suffered from agoraphobia(fear of leaving your "comfort zone",your home) or is it acrophobia(fear of heights)?

Dottie was afraid to go out in public places. So she suffered from agoraphobia.

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by wiseguy182

I know the Contra Costa article has been posted here several times, but it's rather long (five parts), plus the Contra Costa links don't hold up, so I thought I'd summarize it and in additon provie a link that appears to hold up better. It's on a different site, but I believe it's the same article.

Anywho, the article details more things that make Jule Caylor more suspicious. I don't believe any of these were mentioned in the UM segment, at least I don't recall that they were.

-The article goes into greater detail about Dottie's plans to leave Jule. It is learned that since Jule was transfering to Utah, and Dottie planned to stay where she was, that she planned to buy Jule's half of the house, thus owning her own house for their first time in her life. In addition to her own bank account, it is learned that Dottie inherited $5000 around this time. (a substantial amount, even moreso in those days.) That check for $5000 expired sometime in 1985 (Dottie went missing on 6/12/85), and was never cashed. (highly unlikely somebody would just throw away 5k). Also, it is learned that Dottie was meeting singles at the church she started attending. I don't recall if the segment mentioned that Dottie officially filed for divorce, but the article states that she did. Dottie would disappear on Jule's last day working at their California residence. Dottie almost escaped Jule's wrath, but unfortunately just missed it. (really tragic, as she had everything lined up perfectly to leave him.)

-The article also goes into greater detail about their marriage. It is learned that Jule (who often went on work-related trips - he worked for the Forest Service) cheated on Dottie, many times. Dottie had acquired lots of evidence of this. It is also learned that she checked herself into a battered women's shelter after the typing stand incident in 1981, that left a gaping wound above her left eye. It is also learned that in addition to being physically and mentally abusive to Dottie, Jule was also threating her, and Dottie was feared for her life.

-The article also talks about Jule's suspicious behavior immediately following Dottie's disappearance. Among the items that were left in Dottie's car were her driver's license and her medical card. The woman that Jule was having an affair with at the time of Dottie's disappearance said that around that time her and Jule planned on getting together, but Jule cancelled, stating that he had to clean up a huge mess that Dottie and Jule's renters had made at their rental property - only they didn't have a rental property. Around this time, Jule was also seen pouring a concrete patio, which neighbors found unusual as Jule never did househould projects. Another peculiar instance involving neighbors occured when Jule popped his head over a neighbors fence as they were about to remove some ivy. Jule said that if they did that, the fence would come crashing down. The neighbors didn't remove the ivy at that time, but did 10 years later and found a meat cleaver with the end heavily taped (I believe this has been mentioned on the boards.)

The above might hint that Dottie was buried in her own backyard, however someone else speculated that since Jule worked for the Forest service, that he might have buried her in a remote section of a forest in an attempt to prevent the body from ever being found.

A couple of interesting side notes: Jule (had the nerve) to run for the Utah House of Representatives (I don't think he won.) Also, the article talks about Jule being thrown out of a Wendy's for making a mess at their salad bar (remember when Wendy's had salad bars?), and Jule wrote an 8 page letter to the manager talking about his ability to construct a salad, and included a picture of a well put together salad.

I apologize if this is old news, but most of it was news to me.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums....php?t637.html

I had read that article before but I appreciate you detailing it wiseguy as I think the link to the article was no longer valid. I assume that they have tore up that patio and looked underneath, right? I mean that is just common sense. I think I had forgotten about the meat cleaver though. Since it was taped up and therefore somewhat protected from the elements I wonder if there's any chance they could find Dottie's dna on it. That would probably be enough to arrest him.

Shocking about the numerous affairs. I can't believe that troll could find one woman to give him a chance let alone several.

[wiseguy182]

I don't know if they checked the patio, they should have. Although, Jule might have moved it before they checked.

Jule currently has a female companion. Wonder what she thinks of all this, or if she even knows about it.

[kadrmas15]

Yes, Caylor, I dont know, I just think the guy is probably guilty. I am actually going to write a letter to the Contra Costa County, California district attorney to see what they are doing with the case. I will keep everyone here posted as to what if anything they say.

[DarkDante]

There is little doubt in my mind that Jule Caylor is responsible for the disapperance or lets face it murder of his wife Dottie.

The question that has always troubled me in this case for some reason is whether Jule's intentions to kill Dottie were pre-meditated or whether it was a "crime of passion". I can honestly see it going either way:

Dottie was getting to the point in her life where she no longer needed Jule around, he was apparently having affairs at that time and she was becoming more independant of Jule. So they were likely headed for some type of seperation as they had both been tried by their marriage to each other and had grown apart.

In my opinion, Jule Caylor doesn't come off in the segment as the type of guy who would've begged Dottie to stay with him or be upset if she left him at least by that point in his life. I think he had moved on too obviously but I think what might have proved a motive for Jule in this case was that maybe he didn't want Dottie to profit in any way from their divorce. She was supposed to retain their home after Jule moved away to Utah right? - Maybe Jule didn't want to part with that property or have Dottie profit from their divorce.

I think its more likely though that what caused Dottie's disappearance/death was probably some domestic violence or just a fight that got out of control. Dottie was becoming independant of Jule and obviously more assertive than she had been so maybe she just pushed his buttons the wrong way (or vice versa) and the two got into a physical altercation that got out of control and Dottie ending up dying as a result of that.

There are so many scenerios that could've happened if you buy into the theory that what happened to Dottie was the result of a crime of passion. From what the UM segment said, the Caylors were well known for a history of physical altercations with each other so more than likely this could be a case of where Jule Caylor in a physical altercation with Dottie caused her death.

I dunno what do you think, I think when it comes to Jule Caylor almost anything is possible given what I've read about him in news articles and heard from the man himself on UM. Certainly a complex individual who you aren't going to really understand at first glance thats for sure.

[kadrmas15]

Well, I do think if Jule were ever charged, I do think a first degree murder conviction would probably be hard to get. I think it would be easier to get a 2nd degree murder conviction which carries a 15 years to life sentence in California. OF course since over twenty years has passed since the case, they maybe would even be willing to offer Jule a plea bargain where he would be allowed to plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter which in California usually gets you anywhere from 5 to 10 years.

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by DarkDante

There is little doubt in my mind that Jule Caylor is responsible for the disapperance or lets face it murder of his wife Dottie.

The question that has always troubled me in this case for some reason is whether Jule's intentions to kill Dottie were pre-meditated or whether it was a "crime of passion". I can honestly see it going either way:

Dottie was getting to the point in her life where she no longer needed Jule around, he was apparently having affairs at that time and she was becoming more independant of Jule. So they were likely headed for some type of seperation as they had both been tried by their marriage to each other and had grown apart.

In my opinion, Jule Caylor doesn't come off in the segment as the type of guy who would've begged Dottie to stay with him or be upset if she left him at least by that point in his life. I think he had moved on too obviously but I think what might have proved a motive for Jule in this case was that maybe he didn't want Dottie to profit in any way from their divorce. She was supposed to retain their home after Jule moved away to Utah right? - Maybe Jule didn't want to part with that property or have Dottie profit from their divorce.

I think its more likely though that what caused Dottie's disappearance/death was probably some domestic violence or just a fight that got out of control. Dottie was becoming independant of Jule and obviously more assertive than she had been so maybe she just pushed his buttons the wrong way (or vice versa) and the two got into a physical altercation that got out of control and Dottie ending up dying as a result of that.

There are so many scenerios that could've happened if you buy into the theory that what happened to Dottie was the result of a crime of passion. From what the UM segment said, the Caylors were well known for a history of physical altercations with each other so more than likely this could be a case of where Jule Caylor in a physical altercation with Dottie caused her death.

I dunno what do you think, I think when it comes to Jule Caylor almost anything is possible given what I've read about him in news articles and heard from the man himself on UM. Certainly a complex individual who you aren't going to really understand at first glance thats for sure.

I tend to agree with your "crime of passion" theory Dante. As I was reading wiseguy's post I kept thinking to myself "what was Jule's motive?" He seemed to be happy she was leaving and apparently she wasn't going to be getting a huge divorce settlement or anything, on the contrary as Dottie was actually paying Jule money for the house. There seems to be little motive for a planned out murder. They had had physical fights before and there is no doubt in my mind that Jule murdered her, no doubt it was a fight like many before but this time Jule ended up killing her.

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by phillipscurve

Jules Caylor, the guy with strabismus,

Not to nitpick, but did he really have it? I couldn't tell from the segment. I'm just curious because I had this disorder as a child, but it was corrected surgically.

[phillipscurve]

Originally Posted by justins5256

Not to nitpick, but did he really have it? I couldn't tell from the segment. I'm just curious because I had this disorder as a child, but it was corrected surgically.

I really don´t know. From the segment, I noticed that his eyes were not properly aligned with each other, and since strabismus involves a lack of coordination between the extraocular muscles (superior rectus, inferior rectus, lateral rectus, medial rectus, superior oblique, inferior oblique) that prevents bringing the gaze of each eye to the same point in space, I thought that he possibly had or has strabismus, but I really don´t know.

[microeconomia]

Dottie Caylor's case appeared in the episode that also featured the case of Shannon Davis, which has also been discussed recently (Do you prefer Jules Caylor or Dave Davis?). This episode (an appropriate title could be: Potential Wives, beware of the Bridegroom) is Special #4, the first hosted by Robert Stack, originally aired on November 29, 1987. It also included another eerie case: Aileen Conway. I think Mrs. Conway's case will never be solved.


Nice avatar Crystaldawn. Is the girl Anthonette Cayedito?

[DarkDante]

^ Yep that is Anthonette Cayedito. Special #4 is pretty strong I agree but out of all 7 special this one boasts the stupidest segment about the Grand Canyon skeleton or whatever the hell its called. Three great segments and one hidiously stupid one.

[mozartpc27]

I think Jule Caylor is likely responsible, and, though I have not read the article referred to here (which appears to contradict my theory), my guess is that a fight might have broken out over one of his wife's girlfriends. I got the distinct impression from the segment that Dottie Caylor might have been intending to leave Jule for a woman, specifically the one who appeared on the segment (who was a "friend") who was clearly shattered by the whole experience. I could definitely see a guy like Jule not being able to take the blow to his ego that his wife leaving him for a woman would deal.

Does anyone know if they at least ran the meat cleaver for signs of blood? If they did and human blood was found on it, I would think that plus the eyewitness testimony about the porch would be enough to get a warrant to dig up the porch, though I suppose this is made a little more difficult now considering the house is owned by a third and presumably uninvolved party.

After all this time, though, I have to assume they found no blood on the cleaver, and thus have no probable cause for a search, which means this case will likely remain unsolved.

[DJ_Foxx]

I dunno. I have a hard time believing Jule killed Dottie simply because she was leaving him. He seemed like the type who wouldn't have cared less if Dottie left him for man or woman. I think Dottie had some juicy info on Jule and may have with her leaving him, exposed some of that information.