Kecksburg vs. Roswell

[Thiussat]

I don't usually post about "the unexplained" episodes, but I have always been interested in UFO's.

I may have butchered the spelling of Kecksburg, if so I apologize. I think this case has more "evidence" of something very unusual going on than does the Roswell case. There are many more credible witnesses in this case than in the Roswell episode, and the military does acknowledge having an operation going on in Kecksburg that night. However, the military does deny that the 622 Squadron of the USAF was involved when numerous eyewitnesses said they were.

Also, several witnesses saw the acorn shaped object in the woods, as compared to the one rancher who saw the wreckage, as it appeared on the ground, in Roswell. Interestingly, in both the Roswell and Kecksburg case, heiroglyphic type markings were found on both "objects."

I think Roswell was really a top secret military operation, and the best explanation was that this "weather balloon" was really a top secret high altitude balloon that was being used to detect radiation from Soviet nuclear tests (this was two years before the Soviet's detonated their first nuke.) Also, take into account that Roswell is a stone's throw away from the military base where these tests were being done.

Kecksburg, on the other hand, had no military significance geographically. Numerous people saw the object, and numerous people saw it being brought out under the cover of a tarp. I have no reason to disbelieve dozens of people.

I have heard that NASA had a space probe or satellite of some kind that actually did enter the atmosphere that very night over that very area. However, the UM episode said that this possibility had been explored and that there were no known objects in space that had entered the atmosphere. The documentaries I saw that suggested it was a NASA operation that went bad, were broadcast many years after the UM episode, so perhaps new evidence has surfaced. I am positive I have heard that there was a NASA probe or satellite that had problems and came into the atmosphere over that general area that night.

Other theories include the idea that the acorn shaped object was really an engine from an SR-71 (though the UM episode did not mention this). Both the SR-71 and NASA theories seem plausible to me, but I still find the secrecy of the military interesting. If it was an SR-71 engine, then why deny it so many years after the SR-71 had been retired? If it was a meteor, as the military officially says, then why did they not allow the public to see it?

Obviously, something sensitive happened at both Roswell and Kecksburg, but I feel that the Kecksburg incident has much stronger "evidence" to support the UFO theory. I am doubtful as to whether aliens have ever visited this planet, but I do think there must be quite an abundance of advanced civilizations in our galaxy. How they get here (if they do) is a question that stretches the laws of known physics.

Thoughts?

Regards.

[mozartpc27]

Whenever I hear "downed craft," "strange, hieroglyphic writing," "1940s, 50s, or 60s" and "uneducated witnesses," I think "Cyrillic alphabet" and downed Soviet satellite. For obvious reasons, the US Military would have been out to collect any downed Soviet satellites or spy balloons very quickly, and would be loath to admit that the Soviets had any kind of succesful spying program against the US. I've always thought the Kecksburg case, in particular, was most likely explainable by a downed Soviet satellite.

[DarkDante]

I think both cases along with the Allagash abductions are some of the strongest evidence of existance of UFOs. The problem is there are sooo many other wild tales to have come out of the woodwork in the past seventy years or so that all cases seem to lack a great deal of credibility. In either case it could've been Soviet technology, it could've been some technology that we were testing at the time and just boobed on.

The thing about the Roswell and Kecksburg incident is the witnesses seem very credible and seem to have no reason to lie or to sensationalize what they saw. I think Oliver "Pappy" Henderson's account of the Roswell incident as related through his friends and family is pretty damn credible. Although his wife might be causing some doubt to be shed on her late husband's accounts due to disallowing a full search by UFO investigators of her late husband's memorabilia collected from over a lifetime of military service.

Henderson has told friends that he kept a piece of metal from the craft that had crashed (which would probably not be unlike the metal that Mac Brazel found) in his personal collection should his word ever be doubted. He displayed this piece of metal to a close friend John Kromschroeder and John Kromschroeder said it was nothing like he'd ever seen before. Both Henderson & Kromschroeder had extensive knowledge in metallurgy which would give them some degree of credence as far as identifying or not being able to identify such a substance.

Something happened over the skies of Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. Either whatever crashed there was so top-secret that our military decided to "work" (or to put it more bluntly lie) to even some of the top brass working at Roswell Air Force base as to what had happened to disavow any knowledge of some top secret testing that only a handful of people knew about to begin with or...as one of the subjects interviewed in the segment said "A UFO crash did occur, alien bodies were recovered and the military covered it up because they had no rational way of explaining it to the public back in 1947 and wanted to avoid a widespread rash of panic throughout the United States" - it makes sense to me.

[PajamaYoga]

I don't know too much about Roswell, but I am very familiar with Kecksburg, and if I had to give my opinion on it, I would say that it is a toss up. Really we will probably never know what happened, and I wouldn't doubt it was a piece of a spacecraft considering it happened during the Space Age.

[Thiussat]

Whenever I hear "downed craft," "strange, hieroglyphic writing," "1940s, 50s, or 60s" and "uneducated witnesses," I think "Cyrillic alphabet" and downed Soviet satellite. For obvious reasons, the US Military would have been out to collect any downed Soviet satellites or spy balloons very quickly, and would be loath to admit that the Soviets had any kind of succesful spying program against the US. I've always thought the Kecksburg case, in particular, was most likely explainable by a downed Soviet satellite.

The Cyrllic alphabet seems plausible, but I know how that writing looks and I have seen recreations of the "heiroglyphs" from Roswell and they are not the same. That said, I think the military's explanation of what the "heiroglyphs" were in relation to Roswell is very credible. The military claims that it was simply the result of some spare parts they had laying around, and that the markings were simply random pieces of the logo of a company who made the parts (or something to this effect.)

At least one witness on the UM episode said he is familiar with Chinese, Russian, and other non-Roman alphabetized languages and claims the symbols on the object at Kecksburg were not the same. But who really knows? It was dark, it happened many years ago, and I doubt the guy is a philologist.

The problem I have the the Soviet theory, or the secret aircraft engine theory, is why keep this secret even today?

I am doubtful, like I said, if alien life has ever visited this planet. I would have to be shown what sort of technology can break the laws of special relativity first. If someone can do that, I might listen more carefully. Again, it is not a question of IF life exists out there, but a question of how much and whether they know about us or not. And if they do, how would they get here?

Regards.

[Thiussat]

I think both cases along with the Allagash abductions are some of the strongest evidence of existance of UFOs. The problem is there are sooo many other wild tales to have come out of the woodwork in the past seventy years or so that all cases seem to lack a great deal of credibility. In either case it could've been Soviet technology, it could've been some technology that we were testing at the time and just boobed on.

The Allagash story is interesting. I saw this one the other night. I think the best theory, that has been put forth to explain "abductions" in general, is that it is a result of sleep paralysis which happens in a small, yet numerically significant, percentage of the population. Sleep paralysis can seem very real, and often times is accompanied by nightmares. The paralysis also explains why "abductees" claim they cannot move during the "procedure."

However, in Allagash you have four men all telling the same story. The likliehood of all four experiencing sleep paralysis simultaneously is nil. There is always the possibility of a fabrication, even though they did pass a polygraph. I tend to think the dudes just got ahold of some killer LSD.

I tend to think the abduction stories are bogus, even though I am certain not all of the "abductees" are lying. I say this because the actions of the "aliens" seem superflous. Isn't one or two samples of human DNA enough? Why keep coming back and snatching up millions of humans for the same experiment again and again?

As for Roswell, I am familiar with Henderson. I have also read most of the book "The Day After Roswell" by Col. Corso. He has a similar story to Henderson's. It must be noted that Corso's account is controversial and seems to contradict other accounts.

The problem I have with all the collected "wreckage," that people claim to have taken from Roswell, is why has not one piece ever surfaced? I think one guy claims the government came and stole his from his car glovebox. Henderson also claimed to have it, yet his wife never produced it. Jesse Marcel Jr. claims he saw it as a kid, yet he nor his father ever thought it pertinent to save a piece. It's too convenient that people say they have it, but never produce it.

[SiberianKiss]

if some other civilization was visiting Earth, their means of interstellar space travel and technology would be too advanced for any humans to understand.

The Kecksburg incident is a good one, pretty interesting. I wish I could see a UFO dammit.