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AVERMAN · 05-03-2007, 12:52 AM

In November 1956, A hunter and his son are hunting in the woods along the shore of Lake Pontchartrain when they walk past a car with 2 people inside "making babies"

The next day, the hunter comes across the car in the same position and finds the guy shot dead in the car. The woman is nowhere to be seen. That night, it is discovered that the woman was Audrey Moate after keys found at the crime scene managed to unlock her abandoned car.

A few weeks later, Audrey's mother got a strange phone call supposedly from Audrey, saying he needed help, then she hung up. At around the same time, a waitress reported seeing Audrey at her restaurant wearing old, scraggy clothes. "Audrey" then left the store after she realised the waitress was looking at her. Audrey has not been seen or heard of since.

In 1980, An old man who lived in the area told his kids that his wife, who had died in 1979, had killed the couple when they came to the house. He said that they took the body of the man and left him where he was later found. He said that he tied Audrey to an old civil war cannon and dumped it in the swamp. The old man died in 1983.

I believe Audrey was not killed and she in fact did escape. However she was left so embarrassed and ashamed and possibly frightened by what had happened that she went into hiding, hence the restaurant sighting. You have to remember, this happened in 1956, maybe she felt she would have been ridiculed by everyone if they had found out about their affair. The old man's claims I think are simply an attempt at attention.

Any updates on this story?

Dislimb · 05-03-2007, 02:12 AM

I guess this one is up on that evil site now.

peachysquirt21 · 05-03-2007, 11:27 AM

This is one of my fave UM stories. I think the music they play during this segment fits the story well. I dont believe Mr. Houtard was killed in that couples home who lived by the swamp. From the evidence I have seen it is obvious he was shot in the car. As for Audrey that is when it gets complicated. From the footprints seen at the crime scene I believe she escaped the car & ran. What I am having a time believing is the person who shot Mr. Houtard which I believe is the guy that lived by the swap would let Audrey get away risking that she could go to the cops & report what had happened. Then again she may not have given that she was having an affair with a married man.

The evidence of her escaping- the footprints & 2 waitresses claiming they saw her 2 weeks later. Granted they could have been mistaken but if we believe what happened in the UM segment, Audrey got up & left after noticing the 2 waitresses staring at her. Now if this was any other person I dont see why they would just up & leave just because some waitresses were staring at them. Then you have the phone call that Audrey's previous MIL received claiming it was Audrey & that she needed help. There is a possibility she could be mistaken as well but I would think she would know if it was Audrey's voice or not.

It is a possibilty that Audrey could have outrun the person who was chasing her but I doubt that. So that is why I am having a time with she really did escape. I just cannot see the person who commited this crime let Audrey get away.

dynoguy88 · 05-03-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dislimb

I guess this one is up on that evil site now.

Yes, I put it up last night. The natives really get restless when I go a few days without putting one up. 470 subscribers and more joining every day. I may be in over my head.

peachysquirt21 · 05-03-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Yes, I put it up last night. The natives really get restless when I go a few days without putting one up. 470 subscribers and more joining every day. I may be in over my head.

Yeah I check it everyday mutiple times to see if any new ones are added.

Thanks for adding these. Much appreciated.

Dislimb · 05-03-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Yes, I put it up last night. The natives really get restless when I go a few days without putting one up. 470 subscribers and more joining every day. I may be in over my head.

I'm one of the proud 470 myself.

AVERMAN · 05-03-2007, 10:51 PM

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I'm one of the proud 470 myself.

As am I.

Peachysquirt21 (once again, I love your nick

) does present an interesting case. I do believe that the guy was shot in the car where they were found, but by who? At first glance, it would look like the guy who later "confessed" may have done it, but why would he kill one but not the other? I think that it's possible that the hunter who was shown could have accidentally killed the guy with a stray bullet, but this seems unlikely due to the shot through the car window apparently being from close range.
Another possibility could be that the attack wasn't a random attack, and that they were followed. Someone could have been after the guy, went and killed him, then Audrey tried to escape, when a struggle broke out. Maybe Audrey wasn't killed because the killer only had the one bullet for the guy, and wasn't expecting a second person with him.

lokalfuz · 05-04-2007, 01:11 AM

Me too, thanks agaian!!

dynoguy88 · 05-04-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AVERMAN

Another possibility could be that the attack wasn't a random attack, and that they were followed. Someone could have been after the guy, went and killed him, then Audrey tried to escape, when a struggle broke out. Maybe Audrey wasn't killed because the killer only had the one bullet for the guy, and wasn't expecting a second person with him.

What confuses me is the phone call she made to her ex-mother-in-law and the sighting of her in the diner. Was she hiding out? Why wouldn't she go home to her family?

AVERMAN · 05-04-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

What confuses me is the phone call she made to her ex-mother-in-law and the sighting of her in the diner. Was she hiding out? Why wouldn't she go home to her family?

It was 1956. Adultery would have been seen as a much more serious thing than it is today. Plus it made it more worse now that there was a murder in the mix. The sighting in the diner cannot be confirmed in my opinion, as I don't think she stayed there long enough for a positive identification to be made. The phone call in a way confirms that she was not killed, but was that actually Audrey on the phone?

peachysquirt21 · 05-04-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AVERMAN

It was 1956. Adultery would have been seen as a much more serious thing than it is today. Plus it made it more worse now that there was a murder in the mix. The sighting in the diner cannot be confirmed in my opinion, as I don't think she stayed there long enough for a positive identification to be made. The phone call in a way confirms that she was not killed, but was that actually Audrey on the phone?

Yeah that's the only thing I can think of why she wouldnt return to her family cause of the shame of the affair & dealing with her lover being murdered.

mozartpc27 · 05-05-2007, 05:40 PM

I don't invest much in the sighting at the restaurant, nor do I think all that much of the supposed "confession" reported by the swamp guy's daughter. I'm sure she was telling the truth about what her father told her, but it sounds to me like he was lying to her. He was obviously lying about a major detail (that Houtard was shot somewhere else and left in the car), which leads me to believe the mean-spirited old blow hard was probably lying about the whole thing. I wouldn't dismiss him as a suspect altogether, because he did live right near the murder site (within a mile) and he was evidently notoriously short-tempered, but according to the segment Houtard and Moate were parking in that lovers' lane every day for a year or more; why would he pick that particular day to decide to shoot them? Surely he must have noticed them before? I strongly feel that someone else was responsible.

The question, of course, is who that someone else was. What I find interesting is that the segment did not go where I expected at all --- when an unmarried woman with a child (especially at that time) gets heavily involved with a married man, one expects that at some point she would start to press the issue with the married man, asking him to leave his wife for her, etc. The segment does not delve too deeply into the personal histories of Moate and Houtard, but I find it surprising that she did not attempt to force his hand after two years of seeing him. This makes me wonder why, and the answer I keep coming back to is that Houtard's wasn't the only pencil she was sharpening, so to speak. This is speculation, but my first guess would be that Audrey was involved with at least one other man (perhaps more) and that that man (or one of those men) followed Audrey and Hoate that night, killed her lover, and either murdered or struggled with her in some way. My guess is that she died in the area that night and her body either taken somewhere and buried elsewhere or submerged in the lake, but I suppose it is possible she reasoned with the guy, escaped, and left town.

The most interesting piece of evidence presented in the segment, if it can be taken at face value, is the claim that Audrey told her own mother, three months before the incident, that if anything happened to her, she should take her daughter and get as far away from the town as possible. This suggests to me that she either knew there was a situation that she had been managing but that was slipping out of her control (a love triangel, perhaps), or that she was setting up her own disappearance, either with another lover or by herself. I don't think Audrey could have killed Houtard by herself, however, as the shoe print near the scene suggests someone else (a man) was there. Interesting case, because I feel like there must be some things that are being left out that would help to narrow down the possibilities.

dynoguy88 · 05-05-2007, 06:35 PM

...a poster from the "evil sight" made a good point. Why didn't the police ever interview those evil rednecks that lived less than a mile from the crime scene? Was the police afraid of them too?

mozartpc27 · 05-05-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

...a poster from the "evil sight" made a good point. Why didn't the police ever interview those evil rednecks that lived less than a mile from the crime scene? Was the police afraid of them too?

By the way dynoguy88, thanks for all you do --- I'm a subscriber (lafhilism). Even PMed you once about the Sara Jo case (I subsequently acquied via crystaldawn).

James T · 05-06-2007, 07:07 AM

Yes I agree the old man's story did not make any sense, perhaps he used it as a way to control his kids, a pretty sick individual by the sounds of it.

05-03-2007, 12:52 AM	#1
AVERMAN Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 12, 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 241	Audrey Moate In November 1956, A hunter and his son are hunting in the woods along the shore of Lake Pontchartrain when they walk past a car with 2 people inside "making babies" The next day, the hunter comes across the car in the same position and finds the guy shot dead in the car. The woman is nowhere to be seen. That night, it is discovered that the woman was Audrey Moate after keys found at the crime scene managed to unlock her abandoned car. A few weeks later, Audrey's mother got a strange phone call supposedly from Audrey, saying he needed help, then she hung up. At around the same time, a waitress reported seeing Audrey at her restaurant wearing old, scraggy clothes. "Audrey" then left the store after she realised the waitress was looking at her. Audrey has not been seen or heard of since. In 1980, An old man who lived in the area told his kids that his wife, who had died in 1979, had killed the couple when they came to the house. He said that they took the body of the man and left him where he was later found. He said that he tied Audrey to an old civil war cannon and dumped it in the swamp. The old man died in 1983. I believe Audrey was not killed and she in fact did escape. However she was left so embarrassed and ashamed and possibly frightened by what had happened that she went into hiding, hence the restaurant sighting. You have to remember, this happened in 1956, maybe she felt she would have been ridiculed by everyone if they had found out about their affair. The old man's claims I think are simply an attempt at attention. Any updates on this story?

05-05-2007, 06:35 PM	#13
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,675	reply ...a poster from the "evil sight" made a good point. Why didn't the police ever interview those evil rednecks that lived less than a mile from the crime scene? Was the police afraid of them too?

05-03-2007, 02:12 AM	#2
Dislimb Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 23, 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 431	I guess this one is up on that evil site now.

05-03-2007, 11:27 AM	#3
peachysquirt21 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 27, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 462	This is one of my fave UM stories. I think the music they play during this segment fits the story well. I dont believe Mr. Houtard was killed in that couples home who lived by the swamp. From the evidence I have seen it is obvious he was shot in the car. As for Audrey that is when it gets complicated. From the footprints seen at the crime scene I believe she escaped the car & ran. What I am having a time believing is the person who shot Mr. Houtard which I believe is the guy that lived by the swap would let Audrey get away risking that she could go to the cops & report what had happened. Then again she may not have given that she was having an affair with a married man. The evidence of her escaping- the footprints & 2 waitresses claiming they saw her 2 weeks later. Granted they could have been mistaken but if we believe what happened in the UM segment, Audrey got up & left after noticing the 2 waitresses staring at her. Now if this was any other person I dont see why they would just up & leave just because some waitresses were staring at them. Then you have the phone call that Audrey's previous MIL received claiming it was Audrey & that she needed help. There is a possibility she could be mistaken as well but I would think she would know if it was Audrey's voice or not. It is a possibilty that Audrey could have outrun the person who was chasing her but I doubt that. So that is why I am having a time with she really did escape. I just cannot see the person who commited this crime let Audrey get away.

05-04-2007, 01:11 AM	#8
lokalfuz Member Forum Cub Join Date: Apr 17, 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2	Me too, thanks agaian!!

05-05-2007, 05:40 PM	#12
mozartpc27 Vigilante Logician Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 924	I don't invest much in the sighting at the restaurant, nor do I think all that much of the supposed "confession" reported by the swamp guy's daughter. I'm sure she was telling the truth about what her father told her, but it sounds to me like he was lying to her. He was obviously lying about a major detail (that Houtard was shot somewhere else and left in the car), which leads me to believe the mean-spirited old blow hard was probably lying about the whole thing. I wouldn't dismiss him as a suspect altogether, because he did live right near the murder site (within a mile) and he was evidently notoriously short-tempered, but according to the segment Houtard and Moate were parking in that lovers' lane every day for a year or more; why would he pick that particular day to decide to shoot them? Surely he must have noticed them before? I strongly feel that someone else was responsible. The question, of course, is who that someone else was. What I find interesting is that the segment did not go where I expected at all --- when an unmarried woman with a child (especially at that time) gets heavily involved with a married man, one expects that at some point she would start to press the issue with the married man, asking him to leave his wife for her, etc. The segment does not delve too deeply into the personal histories of Moate and Houtard, but I find it surprising that she did not attempt to force his hand after two years of seeing him. This makes me wonder why, and the answer I keep coming back to is that Houtard's wasn't the only pencil she was sharpening, so to speak. This is speculation, but my first guess would be that Audrey was involved with at least one other man (perhaps more) and that that man (or one of those men) followed Audrey and Hoate that night, killed her lover, and either murdered or struggled with her in some way. My guess is that she died in the area that night and her body either taken somewhere and buried elsewhere or submerged in the lake, but I suppose it is possible she reasoned with the guy, escaped, and left town. The most interesting piece of evidence presented in the segment, if it can be taken at face value, is the claim that Audrey told her own mother, three months before the incident, that if anything happened to her, she should take her daughter and get as far away from the town as possible. This suggests to me that she either knew there was a situation that she had been managing but that was slipping out of her control (a love triangel, perhaps), or that she was setting up her own disappearance, either with another lover or by herself. I don't think Audrey could have killed Houtard by herself, however, as the shoe print near the scene suggests someone else (a man) was there. Interesting case, because I feel like there must be some things that are being left out that would help to narrow down the possibilities.

05-06-2007, 07:07 AM	#15
James T Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2006 Location: England Posts: 1,571	Yes I agree the old man's story did not make any sense, perhaps he used it as a way to control his kids, a pretty sick individual by the sounds of it.