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Thiussat · 03-23-2007, 06:46 PM

I have seen this segment several times in the past, and it just reaired a couple of days ago on LRW.

There were no witnesses other than Rollins, and the duo got hijacked just 50 feet from their front door.

The segment never addressed this, but did the cops look at Rollins as a suspect at all? I do find it odd that the robbers would allow Rollins to remain inside by himself while they took his friend out and executed him. Also it is kind of strange the way the segment portrayed what happened once the robbers entered the house. They just kinda walked around with no real motive at all.

I don't think Rollins did it, but I was just wondering if anyone else found his story kind of suspect in areas.

hostedbyrobertstack · 03-23-2007, 08:05 PM

I never thought of that, but I don't think rollins was involved at all. The case seemed perfectly normal for the "ghetto" where it was said to be. It reminded me of things that took place in the movie "friday" and stuff, not to be stereotypical...but who knows what the deal was with that.

crystaldawn · 03-23-2007, 08:09 PM

Here's an old thread with an interesting article in it about the case:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...=Henry+Rollins

Gangreen · 03-23-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hostedbyrobertstack

I never thought of that, but I don't think rollins was involved at all. The case seemed perfectly normal for the "ghetto" where it was said to be. It reminded me of things that took place in the movie "friday" and stuff, not to be stereotypical...but who knows what the deal was with that.

Robberies and violent crimes arent normal anywhere.

Thiussat · 03-23-2007, 08:52 PM

I read that article, crystal. Very interesting.

I think it is VERY possible Rollins is witholding information. I am not accusing him of being the killer, but it could have been a situation where he knew the killers and didn't want to admit it in fear of retaliation or fear of being a suspect himself. The Nazi memoribilia is an interesting angle. I am sure Cole didn't just make that up. If this Nazi thing is true, then Venice Beach is NOT the place you want to make that sort of thing known.

hostedbyrobertstack · 03-23-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gangreen

Robberies and violent crimes arent normal anywhere.

are you serious? have you ever read a newspaper from an urban/downtown area? Guarantee almost everyday robbery/violent crime is news, or maybe because I'm used to reading detroit news. ha

CanadianUMFan · 06-22-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thiussat

I have seen this segment several times in the past, and it just reaired a couple of days ago on LRW.

There were no witnesses other than Rollins, and the duo got hijacked just 50 feet from their front door.

The segment never addressed this, but did the cops look at Rollins as a suspect at all? I do find it odd that the robbers would allow Rollins to remain inside by himself while they took his friend out and executed him. Also it is kind of strange the way the segment portrayed what happened once the robbers entered the house. They just kinda walked around with no real motive at all.

I don't think Rollins did it, but I was just wondering if anyone else found his story kind of suspect in areas.

You have captured my thoughts about this segment to a tee. While I don't really think that Rollins did it, I do find it very curious how he came out virtually unscathed while his roommate his murdered.

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-22-2007, 11:41 PM

No way. I don't think Rollins did it, nor is he withholding information. I also don't think he was alone in the house when it all happened. The way I remember the segment, Joe and Henry were out buying groceries and were walking back to their house when they were accosted. From my understanding, Rollins was on his way into the house to get the robbers money when they shot Joe Cole. Rollins took off running as soon as he heard the gunshot, and I want to say that they shot at him too. It's not like he was strolling around his kitchen when the shooting went down.

Also, if he was withholding information, why would be agree to be interviewed for the segment?

wiseguy182 · 06-23-2007, 05:37 AM

I doubt Rollins is involved, he seemed pretty sincere on his segment, and seemed to really miss his friend. I can certainly buy the intruder theory here, this was a bad part of California we're talking about here (wasn't it Oakland, or am I just crazy?) In any event, it was a bad part of town. My first reaction would have been to run as well, as they had already shot at Cole. They say in most circumstances if you just do what the robbers want you'll be fine, but this is a whole different ballgame.

kadrmas15 · 06-23-2007, 06:04 AM

Well, in my opinion Rollins didnt do it, however I do think it is possible he isnt telling everything he knows. I believe Joe Cole's father, Dennis Cole has said he believes that Rollins isnt telling everything he knows. I think Rollins was sincere about his friend although I think he could have done with the segment without all the political talking points he gave like basically saying the Justice System only benefits rich white people like he basically implied.

wiseguy182 · 06-23-2007, 06:22 AM

What information could Rollins be hiding? What would he have to hide?

Dislimb · 07-03-2007, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kadrmas15

Well, in my opinion Rollins didnt do it, however I do think it is possible he isnt telling everything he knows. I believe Joe Cole's father, Dennis Cole has said he believes that Rollins isnt telling everything he knows. I think Rollins was sincere about his friend although I think he could have done with the segment without all the political talking points he gave like basically saying the Justice System only benefits rich white people like he basically implied.

It's not like he was lying. I love listening to that man speak. Check out some of his spoken word stuff and you'd be amazed.

He still dedicates every single one of his books and albums to Joe to this day. He loved him like a brother and still gets choked up when talking about him.

SP4CE INV4DERZ · 07-03-2007, 08:55 AM

Hey what do you guys think of Henry Rollins? Did he do the right thing and bail on his buddy? I can only imagine what his friend thought in the seconds before he died... It's difficult for me to say, I'd like to know what others think on this.

crystaldawn · 07-03-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Space Invaderz

Hey what do you guys think of Henry Rollins? Did he do the right thing and bail on his buddy? I can only imagine what his friend thought in the seconds before he died... It's difficult for me to say, I'd like to know what others think on this.

You'll have to refresh my memory as I haven't seen this one in a while. I know that they were ambushed by some men and Joe ended up being shot and killed. Did Rollins run away after Cole was shot?

Dislimb · 07-03-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Space Invaderz

Hey what do you guys think of Henry Rollins? Did he do the right thing and bail on his buddy? I can only imagine what his friend thought in the seconds before he died... It's difficult for me to say, I'd like to know what others think on this.

Any sane person would have done the same thing. It's the human survival instinct.

03-23-2007, 06:46 PM	#1
Thiussat Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 601	Joe Cole Murder I have seen this segment several times in the past, and it just reaired a couple of days ago on LRW. There were no witnesses other than Rollins, and the duo got hijacked just 50 feet from their front door. The segment never addressed this, but did the cops look at Rollins as a suspect at all? I do find it odd that the robbers would allow Rollins to remain inside by himself while they took his friend out and executed him. Also it is kind of strange the way the segment portrayed what happened once the robbers entered the house. They just kinda walked around with no real motive at all. I don't think Rollins did it, but I was just wondering if anyone else found his story kind of suspect in areas.

03-23-2007, 08:52 PM	#5
Thiussat Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 601	I read that article, crystal. Very interesting. I think it is VERY possible Rollins is witholding information. I am not accusing him of being the killer, but it could have been a situation where he knew the killers and didn't want to admit it in fear of retaliation or fear of being a suspect himself. The Nazi memoribilia is an interesting angle. I am sure Cole didn't just make that up. If this Nazi thing is true, then Venice Beach is NOT the place you want to make that sort of thing known.
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03-23-2007, 08:05 PM	#2
hostedbyrobertstack Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 23, 2007 Location: OH Posts: 436	I never thought of that, but I don't think rollins was involved at all. The case seemed perfectly normal for the "ghetto" where it was said to be. It reminded me of things that took place in the movie "friday" and stuff, not to be stereotypical...but who knows what the deal was with that.

03-23-2007, 08:09 PM	#3
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Here's an old thread with an interesting article in it about the case: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...=Henry+Rollins

06-22-2007, 11:41 PM	#8
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	No way. I don't think Rollins did it, nor is he withholding information. I also don't think he was alone in the house when it all happened. The way I remember the segment, Joe and Henry were out buying groceries and were walking back to their house when they were accosted. From my understanding, Rollins was on his way into the house to get the robbers money when they shot Joe Cole. Rollins took off running as soon as he heard the gunshot, and I want to say that they shot at him too. It's not like he was strolling around his kitchen when the shooting went down. Also, if he was withholding information, why would be agree to be interviewed for the segment?

06-23-2007, 05:37 AM	#9
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I doubt Rollins is involved, he seemed pretty sincere on his segment, and seemed to really miss his friend. I can certainly buy the intruder theory here, this was a bad part of California we're talking about here (wasn't it Oakland, or am I just crazy?) In any event, it was a bad part of town. My first reaction would have been to run as well, as they had already shot at Cole. They say in most circumstances if you just do what the robbers want you'll be fine, but this is a whole different ballgame.

06-23-2007, 06:04 AM	#10
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Well, in my opinion Rollins didnt do it, however I do think it is possible he isnt telling everything he knows. I believe Joe Cole's father, Dennis Cole has said he believes that Rollins isnt telling everything he knows. I think Rollins was sincere about his friend although I think he could have done with the segment without all the political talking points he gave like basically saying the Justice System only benefits rich white people like he basically implied.

06-23-2007, 06:22 AM	#11
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	What information could Rollins be hiding? What would he have to hide?

07-03-2007, 08:55 AM	#13
SP4CE INV4DERZ 40-0 0WN3D Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2004 Posts: 630	Hey what do you guys think of Henry Rollins? Did he do the right thing and bail on his buddy? I can only imagine what his friend thought in the seconds before he died... It's difficult for me to say, I'd like to know what others think on this.