Here is why Archie really can't be Crticized for his Beliefs about Minorities - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TVFactFan · 03-01-2007, 03:50 PM

After Mother Jefferson got mad when Archie called her MAMMY, Archie said to George-"I'm sorry Jefferson but I thought all colored people called their mothers MAMMY, Al Jolson called his mother Mammy for years"

So it was just the way he was brought up and the movies he saw that made him believe the things he did about certain minorities groups. And he never felt he was doing any harm because he honestly thought that all black people called their mothers Mammy-lol I mean if that's all Archie heard and saw growing up, how could anyone really criticize him for saying-"I thought all black people called their mother Mammy"?

Ireneparalegal · 03-01-2007, 04:01 PM

That's called being IGNORANT. Sure, you can almost turn an eye to those who say or do ignorant things, but he was also ignorant in ASSUMING that was a term that was alright.

BuddyHinton · 03-01-2007, 05:03 PM

But he had no reason at ALL to suspect he was wrong. Her assumption was what fueled the confusion not his comments. I agree. Archie is a misunderstood guy.

TVFactFan · 03-01-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyHinton

But he had no reason at ALL to suspect he was wrong. Her assumption was what fueled the confusion not his comments. I agree. Archie is a misunderstood guy.

Correct, since he was not around blacks that much and only could go by what he saw in movies that's why he acted the way he did. I think Archie was actually a good Guy compared to a guy on a Sitcom called "CPO SHARKEY" Now the Don Rickles character was FLAT OUT OFFENSIVE and ,much worse than Archie.

treky · 03-09-2007, 02:56 AM

and remember; on that episode where Archie and Mike got locked in the storeroom (I wonder how they ever got out of there come to think of it? LOL)
Archie was saying that he got his predjudice from his father.

HelloLarry · 03-16-2007, 08:27 PM

That's the first (and hopefully only) time I will see Archie compared to CPO Sharkey.

I think there really was an innocence about him although people like that can be very dangerous in their own way too (not physically or anything like that). It is true though, a lot of those ideas are instilled by parents and also ones life experiences. Archie just didn't know any better but although many people think he just grew soft, I think the experiences of the country in the 1970s coupled with the fact that he had a liberal son-in-law caused Archie to be enlightened little by little as time went on. I think by the end of the series run, he was a well rounded character with a street education as opposed to just a book education like Mike. The street changed over time and that had an impact on the character. A little of that rubbed off on Mike as a little of Mike rubbed off on Archie so they were able to understand each other a little better by the time the series wrapped up. That's why I think 'Two's a Crowd' is a true classic episode of the series and capsulates the similarities and differences of the two characters. They come to an understanding about one another and that all comes together in the last moments they share in 'The Stivics Go West'.

Good Night Shoe-bootie.

Ireneparalegal · 03-16-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by treky

and remember; on that episode where Archie and Mike got locked in the storeroom (I wonder how they ever got out of there come to think of it? LOL)
Archie was saying that he got his predjudice from his father.

An ignorant person would not say they got their prejudice from anyone or anywhere. Being ignorant means, they don't know better, so Archie saying he was prejudice because of his father shows that HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING IS WRONG.

Brieannas21 · 03-16-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

An ignorant person would not say they got their prejudice from anyone or anywhere. Being ignorant means, they don't know better, so Archie saying he was prejudice because of his father shows that HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING IS WRONG.

I totally agree, Archie knew that calling people Daego, Chinks, Coons, Nig*ers and ***s was just plain wrong. I can't see how anyone would even try to justify what Archie did.

But then again this is Solomon's thread

TVFactFan · 03-16-2007, 09:53 PM

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I totally agree, Archie knew that calling people Daego, Chinks, Coons, Nig*ers and ***s was just plain wrong. I can't see how anyone would even try to justify what Archie did.

But then again this is Solomon's thread

He was really serious when he said-"I thought all black people called their mothers MAMMY"

Ireneparalegal · 03-16-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

He was really serious when he said-"I thought all black people called their mothers MAMMY"

Archie was also a damn good liar.

TVFactFan · 03-16-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Archie was also a damn good liar.

He wasn't lying, I could tell by Upset he was when trying to explain to George That he thought it was a common thing for blacks to call their mother MAMMY

Ireneparalegal · 03-16-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

He wasn't lying, I could tell by Upset he was when trying to explain to George That he thought it was a common thing for blacks to call their mother MAMMY

He was upset because he knew George was pissed and would kick him in the ass for saying that term. Archie knew what he said and didn't think anyone would call him on it.

TVFactFan · 03-16-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

He was upset because he knew George was pissed and would kick him in the ass for saying that term. Archie knew what he said and didn't think anyone would call him on it.

I think you need to watch that ep again-lol

"Hey Jefferson that's no way to talk to your little mammy here"

Ireneparalegal · 03-16-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TVResearcher

I think you need to watch that ep again-lol

"Hey Jefferson that's no way to talk to your little mammy here"

It doesn't matter how or where he said it. It was another term he was using just like the ones Brie listed above. He said it in such a non-chalant way. If he said it sarcastically or with an attitude, then he couldn't "get away with it".

Brieannas21 · 03-16-2007, 10:17 PM

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I think you need to watch that ep again-lol

"Hey Jefferson that's no way to talk to your little mammy here"

Ok thats one thing, what's another? Archie didn't like Black people, Italian or Asians.

03-01-2007, 03:50 PM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,072	Here is why Archie really can't be Crticized for his Beliefs about Minorities After Mother Jefferson got mad when Archie called her MAMMY, Archie said to George-"I'm sorry Jefferson but I thought all colored people called their mothers MAMMY, Al Jolson called his mother Mammy for years" So it was just the way he was brought up and the movies he saw that made him believe the things he did about certain minorities groups. And he never felt he was doing any harm because he honestly thought that all black people called their mothers Mammy-lol I mean if that's all Archie heard and saw growing up, how could anyone really criticize him for saying-"I thought all black people called their mother Mammy"?

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03-09-2007, 02:56 AM	#5
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03-01-2007, 05:03 PM	#3
BuddyHinton Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: CA Posts: 441	But he had no reason at ALL to suspect he was wrong. Her assumption was what fueled the confusion not his comments. I agree. Archie is a misunderstood guy.

03-16-2007, 08:27 PM	#6
HelloLarry Meathead Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 21, 2006 Posts: 273	That's the first (and hopefully only) time I will see Archie compared to CPO Sharkey. I think there really was an innocence about him although people like that can be very dangerous in their own way too (not physically or anything like that). It is true though, a lot of those ideas are instilled by parents and also ones life experiences. Archie just didn't know any better but although many people think he just grew soft, I think the experiences of the country in the 1970s coupled with the fact that he had a liberal son-in-law caused Archie to be enlightened little by little as time went on. I think by the end of the series run, he was a well rounded character with a street education as opposed to just a book education like Mike. The street changed over time and that had an impact on the character. A little of that rubbed off on Mike as a little of Mike rubbed off on Archie so they were able to understand each other a little better by the time the series wrapped up. That's why I think 'Two's a Crowd' is a true classic episode of the series and capsulates the similarities and differences of the two characters. They come to an understanding about one another and that all comes together in the last moments they share in 'The Stivics Go West'. Good Night Shoe-bootie.