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Ireneparalegal · 10-19-2006, 04:16 PM

Killer Says He's Too Obese for Execution
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, AP

COLUMBUS, Ohio (Oct. 18) - A federal judge on Tuesday delayed the Oct. 24 execution of cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren to allow him to join a lawsuit filed by five other death row inmates challenging the state's use of lethal injection.

In his request to join the lawsuit, Lundgren, 56, said he is at even greater risk of experiencing pain and suffering during the procedure than other inmates because he is overweight and diabetic.

Similar lawsuits filed in several states have led to the halting of executions in Missouri, Delaware and New Jersey. Opponents have argued that the use of the lethal injection is unconstitutionally cruel and painful and that the procedure is often carried out without specifically trained medical personnel present.

But Ohio's method of lethal injection came under national scrutiny by death penalty opponents in May after problems slowed the execution of another inmate who was a former intravenous drug user and the vein the execution team chose collapsed as the chemicals started flowing.

While Judge Gregory Frost issued an order temporarily delaying Lundgren's execution, he said it appears to him that potential flaws with Ohio's execution process could easily be corrected.

"Thus, any delay in carrying out Lundgren's execution should and can be minimal," Frost said.

State Attorney General Jim Petro will appeal the ruling to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, said spokesman Mark Anthony.

Lundgren sentence stems from a conviction for the fatal shooting of a family of five in 1989. The family, which included three children, were killed while they stood in a pit dug inside his barn in northeast Ohio.

Lundgren, who formed a cult after he was dismissed in 1987 as a lay minister of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now known as the Community of Christ, had said passages in the Bible told him to kill the family. Several witnesses said the family was not as enthusiastic about the cult as Lundgren would have liked.

The family he killed had moved from Missouri in 1987 to follow Lundgren's teachings.

Frost's decision allows Lundgren to join a 2004 lawsuit brought by death row inmate Richard Cooey, convicted of the rape and murder of two University of Akron students in 1986.

Cooey argues that the way chemicals used in lethal injection are administered makes the process painful enough to amount to cruel and unusual punishment, in violation of the constitution.

Four other inmates had previously joined the lawsuit.

10/18/06 11:21 EDT

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All you killer bastards make me sick. JUST EXECUTE THEM ALL ALREADY!!!

Pain and suffering my a$$...what abt the pain and suffering he inflicted on that family???? Those kids????

Hollow · 10-19-2006, 04:21 PM

T-Greg · 10-19-2006, 04:52 PM

How about the firing squad? With such a big target, just about anyone could do the deed.

gilligan fanatic · 10-19-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Greg

How about the firing squad? With such a big target, just about anyone could do the deed.

It is still legal in some states too. I think as recently as 1996 it was used.

Dutabi84 · 10-19-2006, 05:10 PM

Well, they should make him watch a bunch of Richard Simmons tapes, and then kill him. He'll regret he ever complained to begin with.

Ireneparalegal · 10-19-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutabi84

Well, they should make him watch a bunch of Richard Simmons tapes, and then kill him. He'll regret he ever complained to begin with.

How abt putting that bastard on a strict diet so he can lose weight rapidly and then KILL HIM???? sounds good to me.

TJL · 10-19-2006, 05:14 PM

It's amazing how much rational thought and deliberation about human suffering these men have done when they are in prison.

It's a shame they didn't give a damn about human beings when they were free.

Lex Luthor · 10-19-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Greg

How about the firing squad? With such a big target, just about anyone could do the deed.

Not much about Chinese law enforcement I agree with but I do like their verson of the death penalty.

Bullet to the head and then bill the estate for the cost of the bullet.

Mr. Television · 10-19-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutabi84

Well, they should make him watch a bunch of Richard Simmons tapes, and then kill him. He'll regret he ever complained to begin with.

Myles · 10-19-2006, 05:42 PM

From what I just researched on the net three drugs are typically used during a lethal injection: Sodium thiopental (induces unconsciousness), Pancuronium bromide (paralyze muscles) and Potassium chloride (stops heart, cardiac arrest).

So the criminals are most worried about the pain -- ironic, oh yes. Sodium thiopental is the drug that controls that then so let's concentrate on that.
From what I've read a 5 gram dose is typically given during execution, never any less apparently. This drug's effectiveness correlates with this ratio (3-5 mg/kg) ~ 3-5 milligrams of the drug per kilogram of the criminal's weight.

Therefore, hypothetically, let's say Jeffrey Lundgren weighs 300 lbs.
There are 2.2 lbs per kilogram. So he's about 136 kg.
Thus, 5mg/kg * 136 kg = 682 mg or 0.682 grams
So for the drug to be effective he would need at least 0.682 grams.

However, he'll be getting 5 grams. That's 733% the amount required in his case. His obesity will not matter. He would have to weigh 2,200 lbs for that dosage not to have an effect.

The article cites an example of an intravenous drug user whose veins collapsed during the procedure in Ohio. Now that would be a problem, perhaps death row prisioners (with drug use backgrounds) should be prepped by a physician ahead of time to make sure such veins will be available and healthy enough for the procedure. However, Lundgren's argument has no application here. His obesity in no way will inhibit access to his veins. A little application of rubbing alcohol and those luscious blood vessels will rise to the top, easy access for the injection. Fat or no fat.

Cased closed, I'm going save tax payer money and email them my post.

Ireneparalegal · 10-19-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cartoondvds

Not much about Chinese law enforcement I agree with but I do like their verson of the death penalty.

Bullet to the head and then bill the estate for the cost of the bullet.

I will gladly pay for the bullets myself!!!

dawsongirl · 10-19-2006, 08:28 PM

WTF CARES ABOUT HIS PAIN AND SUFFERING?!! That whole **** about lethal injection having to be painless and humane is a giant crock of horse ****. These worthless humans didn't spare their victims any pain and suffering, so just ****ing shoot these bastards and let Satan worry about their pain.

pissed:

dawsongirl · 10-19-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Greg

How about the firing squad? With such a big target, just about anyone could do the deed.

Kane · 10-21-2006, 02:22 PM

He's too fat to be executed?! Aw, poor baby!

Ireneparalegal · 10-21-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane

He's too fat to be executed?! Aw, poor baby!

I know isn't that sad?????

How can anyone be fat in prison anyways? Damn, they must feed them bastards on death row good!!!!

He better not ask for a last meal, I mean afterall, he is fat and diabetic.

10-19-2006, 04:16 PM	#1
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	Bastard who killed family of 5 says he's TOO FAT to be executed... Killer Says He's Too Obese for Execution By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, AP COLUMBUS, Ohio (Oct. 18) - A federal judge on Tuesday delayed the Oct. 24 execution of cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren to allow him to join a lawsuit filed by five other death row inmates challenging the state's use of lethal injection. In his request to join the lawsuit, Lundgren, 56, said he is at even greater risk of experiencing pain and suffering during the procedure than other inmates because he is overweight and diabetic. Similar lawsuits filed in several states have led to the halting of executions in Missouri, Delaware and New Jersey. Opponents have argued that the use of the lethal injection is unconstitutionally cruel and painful and that the procedure is often carried out without specifically trained medical personnel present. But Ohio's method of lethal injection came under national scrutiny by death penalty opponents in May after problems slowed the execution of another inmate who was a former intravenous drug user and the vein the execution team chose collapsed as the chemicals started flowing. While Judge Gregory Frost issued an order temporarily delaying Lundgren's execution, he said it appears to him that potential flaws with Ohio's execution process could easily be corrected. "Thus, any delay in carrying out Lundgren's execution should and can be minimal," Frost said. State Attorney General Jim Petro will appeal the ruling to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, said spokesman Mark Anthony. Lundgren sentence stems from a conviction for the fatal shooting of a family of five in 1989. The family, which included three children, were killed while they stood in a pit dug inside his barn in northeast Ohio. Lundgren, who formed a cult after he was dismissed in 1987 as a lay minister of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now known as the Community of Christ, had said passages in the Bible told him to kill the family. Several witnesses said the family was not as enthusiastic about the cult as Lundgren would have liked. The family he killed had moved from Missouri in 1987 to follow Lundgren's teachings. Frost's decision allows Lundgren to join a 2004 lawsuit brought by death row inmate Richard Cooey, convicted of the rape and murder of two University of Akron students in 1986. Cooey argues that the way chemicals used in lethal injection are administered makes the process painful enough to amount to cruel and unusual punishment, in violation of the constitution. Four other inmates had previously joined the lawsuit. 10/18/06 11:21 EDT ____________________________________________________ All you killer bastards make me sick. JUST EXECUTE THEM ALL ALREADY!!! Pain and suffering my a$$...what abt the pain and suffering he inflicted on that family???? Those kids????
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TJL Suburbanite Extrordinaire Forum Star Join Date: Dec 29, 2001 Location: New Jersey - the cradle of civilization Posts: 16,588	It's amazing how much rational thought and deliberation about human suffering these men have done when they are in prison. It's a shame they didn't give a damn about human beings when they were free.
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10-19-2006, 05:42 PM	#10
Myles Shades of Green Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 21, 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 239	From what I just researched on the net three drugs are typically used during a lethal injection: Sodium thiopental (induces unconsciousness), Pancuronium bromide (paralyze muscles) and Potassium chloride (stops heart, cardiac arrest). So the criminals are most worried about the pain -- ironic, oh yes. Sodium thiopental is the drug that controls that then so let's concentrate on that. From what I've read a 5 gram dose is typically given during execution, never any less apparently. This drug's effectiveness correlates with this ratio (3-5 mg/kg) ~ 3-5 milligrams of the drug per kilogram of the criminal's weight. Therefore, hypothetically, let's say Jeffrey Lundgren weighs 300 lbs. There are 2.2 lbs per kilogram. So he's about 136 kg. Thus, 5mg/kg * 136 kg = 682 mg or 0.682 grams So for the drug to be effective he would need at least 0.682 grams. However, he'll be getting 5 grams. That's 733% the amount required in his case. His obesity will not matter. He would have to weigh 2,200 lbs for that dosage not to have an effect. The article cites an example of an intravenous drug user whose veins collapsed during the procedure in Ohio. Now that would be a problem, perhaps death row prisioners (with drug use backgrounds) should be prepped by a physician ahead of time to make sure such veins will be available and healthy enough for the procedure. However, Lundgren's argument has no application here. His obesity in no way will inhibit access to his veins. A little application of rubbing alcohol and those luscious blood vessels will rise to the top, easy access for the injection. Fat or no fat. Cased closed, I'm going save tax payer money and email them my post.
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10-19-2006, 04:21 PM	#2
Hollow Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 16, 2001 Posts: 30,406

10-19-2006, 04:52 PM	#3
T-Greg Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 17, 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,713	How about the firing squad? With such a big target, just about anyone could do the deed.

10-19-2006, 05:10 PM	#5
Dutabi84 kittens must die Forum Fanatic Join Date: Apr 22, 2003 Location: MN/TX Posts: 11,026	Well, they should make him watch a bunch of Richard Simmons tapes, and then kill him. He'll regret he ever complained to begin with.

10-19-2006, 08:28 PM	#12
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,140	WTF CARES ABOUT HIS PAIN AND SUFFERING?!! That whole ** about lethal injection having to be painless and humane is a giant crock of horse . These worthless humans didn't spare their victims any pain and suffering, so just **ing shoot these bastards and let Satan worry about their pain. pissed:

10-21-2006, 02:22 PM	#14
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	He's too fat to be executed?! Aw, poor baby!