Can Mel Gibson save his career after his anti-Semitic remarks? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

ABlairican Pie · 08-01-2006, 10:59 PM

Is Mel Gibson's career in deep trouble over his drunken slurs against Jewish people? Or can he salvage his reputation?

Brad Russ · 08-01-2006, 11:06 PM

Of course he can salvage it. Look at R. Kelly, Roman Polansky, Hugh Grant, and others. If they can keep their careers going after the sick things they did while sober, then I have no reason to believe Mel won't be able to.

gilligan fanatic · 08-01-2006, 11:07 PM

what about Martha Stewart, she is back on the top

Ireneparalegal · 08-01-2006, 11:12 PM

Woody Allen anyone????? HELLO????? He had a sexual thing going on with his own daughter, while married, and then married the girl and had a child with her!!!!!!!! Doesn't make a difference if she is adopted. I am adopted. Doesn't make a difference...SICK BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, people should be upset that Mel could have KILLED SOMEONE while driving, not saying stupid stuff. Since when is saying things like that against the law????? People say hateful stuff everyday. Driving drunk is a serious matter.

Brad Russ · 08-01-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gilligan fanatic

what about Martha Stewart, she is back on the top

Exactly!!! Not to mention all the celebrities who constantely bash, and make blasphemous jokes about Christians, and Christianity. But of course there's nothing wrong with being an anti-Christ.

LucyCompanyPhan · 08-01-2006, 11:16 PM

Yeah. Even if he doesn't have major studios backing him, it wouldn't be hard to get whatever movie he wants made. He's worth 100s of millions and he made Passion with most of his own money. If he wants to come back on top, he can easily do it.

And like everyone said, people for forgiving in hollywood. If he comes back with something people like, he can do it.

LucyCompanyPhan · 08-01-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Woody Allen anyone????? HELLO????? He had a sexual thing going on with his own daughter, while married, and then married the girl and had a child with her!!!!!!!! Doesn't make a difference if she is adopted. I am adopted. Doesn't make a difference...SICK BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, people should be upset that Mel could have KILLED SOMEONE while driving, not saying stupid stuff. Since when is saying things like that against the law????? People say hateful stuff everyday. Driving drunk is a serious matter.

It was his long time girlfriend/wife's (not sure which one) adopted daughter...making him a step father of her. I'm just pointing this out because it wasn't technically incest. Although I agree it's pretty gross and twisted and wrong for so many reasons.

Ireneparalegal · 08-01-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LucyCompanyPhan

It was his long time girlfriend/wife's (not sure which one) adopted daughter...making him a step father of her. I'm just pointing this out because it wasn't technically incest. Although I agree it's pretty gross and twisted and wrong for so many reasons.

Thank you for clarifying that.

AKA · 08-01-2006, 11:30 PM

I wish the man no ill will, and as I've stated in other threads, hope he can conquer his demons. But after all the controversy regarding Judiasm that surrounded Mel's father and The Passion two years ago, what he said during his arrest seems to me like career suicide. Drunk or not, the anti-Semitic remarks came from somewhere, and the sheer fact that he uttered them will make things hard for him - at least for the forseeable future.

But who knows? Everyone likes a comeback story.

Mr. Television · 08-01-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Mel

Exactly!!! Not to mention all the celebrities who constantely bash, and make blasphemous jokes about Christians, and Christianity. But of course there's nothing wrong with being an anti-Christ.

I've heard them call Christians nazi's and everything else out there. They also like to make jokes about them all the time. Nobody should look on Hollywood as a role model. They live in there own world. Roman Polanski can't even step foot in the U.S. but he still makes movies and he still get's nominated for Academy Awards.

Ireneparalegal · 08-01-2006, 11:40 PM

Mel also made a remark abt the FEMALE officer, something abt her body I believe...should all women hate him too???? God, the man was drunk, drunks say stupid things all the time. Drunks yell they are going to kill someone, they yell they are going to sue the police...they yell they are gonna call their attorney, they yell a lot of things, stupid things, funny things, etc. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

AKA · 08-01-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Mel also made a remark abt the FEMALE officer, something abt her body I believe...should all women hate him too???? God, the man was drunk, drunks say stupid things all the time. Drunks yell they are going to kill someone, they yell they are going to sue the police...they yell they are gonna call their attorney, they yell a lot of things, stupid things, funny things, etc. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

Nobody said anyone should hate anybody else. I simply stated that he's going to have a hard time finding work in Hollywood after his remarks. That's all.

Ireneparalegal · 08-01-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA

Nobody said anyone should hate anybody else. I simply stated that he's going to have a hard time finding work in Hollywood after his remarks. That's all.

No, I wasn't referring to you, just making a generalization, comment.

Janice · 08-02-2006, 12:46 AM

It remains to be seen if Gibson's career is toast or not. It's too soon to tell. Some recover from scandal, while others don't. If the guy is an anti-Semite, I have no use for him. His latest statement claims he's not. The wacky juice can make people say some out there stuff.

I know he had a hard time for years trying to get The Passion made. Everyone turned it down. There are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, and perhaps many of them turned him down. Gibson could harbor resentment about that deep down, and it just poured out when he was trashed. I'm not defending him. It's just a theory I'm tossing out there.

Or he could be a raging Jew hater. Or he could love Jews and has no idea himself where the tirade came from. We don't know what's in his heart.

He has apologized profusely. For some reason, I think he'll end up okay. Jesse Jackson did just fine after calling New York "Hymetown".

ABlairican Pie · 08-02-2006, 08:31 AM

MSNBC.com

Did Gibson’s apology come too late?
‘In the first 24 hours, people start forming opinions’ says one manager
The Associated Press

Updated: 7:44 p.m. PT Aug 1, 2006
LOS ANGELES - Mel Gibson’s Tuesday apology for an anti-Semitic rant after his drunken driving arrest came several days too late, celebrity crisis management experts say.

It was the star’s first acknowledgment that he spewed anti-Jewish slurs at Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy James Mee early Friday — a tirade that could threaten his career and the December release of his film “Apocalypto,” in which he and Disney invested tens of millions of dollars.

“In the first 24 hours, people start forming opinions,” said Richard Levick, whose Washington firm represents several celebrity clients. “He has constantly been behind the story and needs to get out front. What he’s done through actions is turned perception into reality. People presume he is anti-Semitic.”

The cloud of anti-Semitism has followed Gibson since the 2004 film “The Passion of the Christ,” which many Jews felt unfairly portrayed Jews’ role in the death of Jesus. The issue intensified after interviews with Gibson’s father, who called the Holocaust mostly “fiction.”

Levick said that while the film became a blockbuster despite the controversy — or because of it — this is Gibson’s last chance to prove he isn’t a bigot.

“Mel Gibson has a very high trust bank with audiences,” Levick said. “And that is in jeopardy. This is at a tipping point right now.”

In a sign that the Gibson camp gained some ground Tuesday, several Jewish leaders offered reserved praise for Gibson’s apology. They said it was an improvement over a statement Gibson issued Saturday that only vaguely referred to “despicable” remarks.

Just another ‘publicist statement’
“It addresses the issue, it addresses the substance,” said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League. “I have two caveats. One, it’s another publicist statement and makes me a little bit uncomfortable because the publicist issued the statement earlier in the week. To what extent is it a true reflection of Mel Gibson’s true feeling? The other issue is two years ago when we dealt with the issue of ‘The Passion of the Christ,’ the same publicist reached out to me and told me how much Mel Gibson respects me and what kind of good guy he is, and [that] Mel Gibson wants to meet. Well, did I meet you? We never met.”

The delay in having Gibson address the issue of anti-Semitism raised questions of insincerity, celebrity handler Michael Sitrick said.

“From the outside looking in,” said Sitrick, whose Los Angeles firm represents such troubled clients as talk show host Rush Limbaugh, singer R. Kelly and drummer Tommy Lee. “I would’ve recommended that he say, ‘These remarks that were attributed to me do not represent my beliefs and I am embarrassed and humiliated and upset at myself if those words came out of my mouth when I was drinking.”

The latest apology, released by Gibson publicist Alan Nierob, was closer to the mark, Sitrick said.

“I want to apologize to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge,” Tuesday’s statement said.

Gibson also said he had begun a recovery program and said he planned to meet with Jewish leaders “to discern the appropriate path for healing.”

Media image consultant Michael Sands, however, dismissed Gibson’s apology as a cynical spin falsely attributing Gibson’s anti-Semitism to alcohol.

“By Mel coming out with this latest statement, he is grasping for straws,” said Sands. “It seems to me he sat around with his publicist and said, ‘Hey, what do you think of this?”’

Veteran publicist Michael Levine, who called Gibson’s public relations representatives “the best team money can buy,” commended Nierob, who said Tuesday he was the only public relations professional assisting Gibson in the matter.

“Today’s statement is particularly wise,” Levine said. “The best defense is a good offense and the only offense is a relentless one.”

The approach taken by Nierob, a vice president at stalwart publicity firm Rogers & Cowan, takes the “four principles of celebrity crisis” into account, Levine said: speed, humility, contrition and personal responsibility.

“If you go with those four things, you generally do pretty well in America,” Levine said.

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14140817/

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08-01-2006, 10:59 PM	#1
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08-01-2006, 11:16 PM	#6
LucyCompanyPhan Hollywood Senior Member Join Date: Sep 25, 2001 Location: a far away place in sitcomville Posts: 2,254	Yeah. Even if he doesn't have major studios backing him, it wouldn't be hard to get whatever movie he wants made. He's worth 100s of millions and he made Passion with most of his own money. If he wants to come back on top, he can easily do it. And like everyone said, people for forgiving in hollywood. If he comes back with something people like, he can do it.
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08-01-2006, 11:30 PM	#9
AKA Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Posts: 15,746	I wish the man no ill will, and as I've stated in other threads, hope he can conquer his demons. But after all the controversy regarding Judiasm that surrounded Mel's father and The Passion two years ago, what he said during his arrest seems to me like career suicide. Drunk or not, the anti-Semitic remarks came from somewhere, and the sheer fact that he uttered them will make things hard for him - at least for the forseeable future. But who knows? Everyone likes a comeback story.

08-01-2006, 11:40 PM	#11
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	Mel also made a remark abt the FEMALE officer, something abt her body I believe...should all women hate him too???? God, the man was drunk, drunks say stupid things all the time. Drunks yell they are going to kill someone, they yell they are going to sue the police...they yell they are gonna call their attorney, they yell a lot of things, stupid things, funny things, etc. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

08-02-2006, 12:46 AM	#14
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	It remains to be seen if Gibson's career is toast or not. It's too soon to tell. Some recover from scandal, while others don't. If the guy is an anti-Semite, I have no use for him. His latest statement claims he's not. The wacky juice can make people say some out there stuff. I know he had a hard time for years trying to get The Passion made. Everyone turned it down. There are a lot of Jews in Hollywood, and perhaps many of them turned him down. Gibson could harbor resentment about that deep down, and it just poured out when he was trashed. I'm not defending him. It's just a theory I'm tossing out there. Or he could be a raging Jew hater. Or he could love Jews and has no idea himself where the tirade came from. We don't know what's in his heart. He has apologized profusely. For some reason, I think he'll end up okay. Jesse Jackson did just fine after calling New York "Hymetown".

08-02-2006, 08:31 AM	#15
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,620	AP: Did Gibson's apology come too late? MSNBC.com Did Gibson’s apology come too late? ‘In the first 24 hours, people start forming opinions’ says one manager The Associated Press Updated: 7:44 p.m. PT Aug 1, 2006 LOS ANGELES - Mel Gibson’s Tuesday apology for an anti-Semitic rant after his drunken driving arrest came several days too late, celebrity crisis management experts say. It was the star’s first acknowledgment that he spewed anti-Jewish slurs at Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy James Mee early Friday — a tirade that could threaten his career and the December release of his film “Apocalypto,” in which he and Disney invested tens of millions of dollars. “In the first 24 hours, people start forming opinions,” said Richard Levick, whose Washington firm represents several celebrity clients. “He has constantly been behind the story and needs to get out front. What he’s done through actions is turned perception into reality. People presume he is anti-Semitic.” The cloud of anti-Semitism has followed Gibson since the 2004 film “The Passion of the Christ,” which many Jews felt unfairly portrayed Jews’ role in the death of Jesus. The issue intensified after interviews with Gibson’s father, who called the Holocaust mostly “fiction.” Levick said that while the film became a blockbuster despite the controversy — or because of it — this is Gibson’s last chance to prove he isn’t a bigot. “Mel Gibson has a very high trust bank with audiences,” Levick said. “And that is in jeopardy. This is at a tipping point right now.” In a sign that the Gibson camp gained some ground Tuesday, several Jewish leaders offered reserved praise for Gibson’s apology. They said it was an improvement over a statement Gibson issued Saturday that only vaguely referred to “despicable” remarks. Just another ‘publicist statement’ “It addresses the issue, it addresses the substance,” said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League. “I have two caveats. One, it’s another publicist statement and makes me a little bit uncomfortable because the publicist issued the statement earlier in the week. To what extent is it a true reflection of Mel Gibson’s true feeling? The other issue is two years ago when we dealt with the issue of ‘The Passion of the Christ,’ the same publicist reached out to me and told me how much Mel Gibson respects me and what kind of good guy he is, and [that] Mel Gibson wants to meet. Well, did I meet you? We never met.” The delay in having Gibson address the issue of anti-Semitism raised questions of insincerity, celebrity handler Michael Sitrick said. “From the outside looking in,” said Sitrick, whose Los Angeles firm represents such troubled clients as talk show host Rush Limbaugh, singer R. Kelly and drummer Tommy Lee. “I would’ve recommended that he say, ‘These remarks that were attributed to me do not represent my beliefs and I am embarrassed and humiliated and upset at myself if those words came out of my mouth when I was drinking.” The latest apology, released by Gibson publicist Alan Nierob, was closer to the mark, Sitrick said. “I want to apologize to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge,” Tuesday’s statement said. Gibson also said he had begun a recovery program and said he planned to meet with Jewish leaders “to discern the appropriate path for healing.” Media image consultant Michael Sands, however, dismissed Gibson’s apology as a cynical spin falsely attributing Gibson’s anti-Semitism to alcohol. “By Mel coming out with this latest statement, he is grasping for straws,” said Sands. “It seems to me he sat around with his publicist and said, ‘Hey, what do you think of this?”’ Veteran publicist Michael Levine, who called Gibson’s public relations representatives “the best team money can buy,” commended Nierob, who said Tuesday he was the only public relations professional assisting Gibson in the matter. “Today’s statement is particularly wise,” Levine said. “The best defense is a good offense and the only offense is a relentless one.” The approach taken by Nierob, a vice president at stalwart publicity firm Rogers & Cowan, takes the “four principles of celebrity crisis” into account, Levine said: speed, humility, contrition and personal responsibility. “If you go with those four things, you generally do pretty well in America,” Levine said. © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14140817/