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savageamusement · 07-22-2006, 10:22 PM

Question.

A user has popped up on a site.
They have the first name of an older, notorious bad trader.
And a very similar list.

But the last name is different
And the address is different.

So this is my dilemma

I don't want to tarnish a might be innocent trader.

But if a user is divorced and moves this would account for things.

When does cautious run into Paranoia.

Feedback please

digitalmonkey · 07-22-2006, 10:49 PM

Unless the first name is Jebidiah or some other uncommon name I don't think you should really do anything yet. A lot of traders have very similar lists and the damage you would do to a potentially honest trader far outweigh the damage you would prevent by stopping a trade with a bad trader because, as we all know, people should only make small trades with unknown (unproven) individuals thus limiting their losses when scammed.

my 2 cents

Lamont · 07-22-2006, 11:00 PM

KIM
here is what i think

I have seen that scam pulled many times

SUE MAPLES-- aka PAM BEATTY aka SUE BEATTY aka PAM MAPLES etc etc
and of course it was NEVER HER--- always her sister in law, or ex hubby or someone else--- BUT NOT HER

or TWOONIA SYKES aka TWOONIA HAYNES aka JARED HAYNES etc etc etc

IF THE ADDRESS is similar (same city etc) then i would assume the worst
BECAUSE i have found that scammers
will use ALTERNATE LAST NAMES easy as pie
a maiden name, or even their middle name substituted as a last name

FOR INSTANCE if we had an ANGIE SMITH from AIKEN SC pop up--- BINGO!!!
--- or an ANDY JOHNSON who wanted a western union sent to SAN FRANCISCO----
you get the meaning......

someone can get a PO BOX or a MAILBOX ETC address in another city--- 5 minutes away-- and with a MAILDROP site, it "LOOKS" like a street address-- b/c they have it mailed to the MAIL site at 123 main st, # 1222, and the #1222 is their BOX #

if u have enough concern, then id check it out and if the info seems close enough, id look into it deeper and see----

do the ISP's match? is it the same internet account? etc etc etc
i have found that 90% of the time, when someone has a suspicion about a bad trader from the past-- it turns out to be correct!

jie3 · 07-22-2006, 11:18 PM

That's a tuffy, but if he/she already has a list, then he/she must have done quite a few trades already. Why not explain the situation to him/her, and ask him/her to provide a short list of reputable references. Given your experience Savage, you'll probably be on first name terms with most of them (if they are legit). Therefore, you can base your decision on the feedback they give.

That's what I'd do anyway.

Cheers,

J

digitalmonkey · 07-22-2006, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jie3

That's a tuffy, but if he/she already has a list, then he/she must have done quite a few trades already. Why not explain the situation to him/her, and ask him/her to provide a short list of reputable references. Given your experience Savage, you'll probably be on first name terms with most of them (if they are legit). Therefore, you can base your decision on the feedback they give.

That's what I'd do anyway.

Cheers,

J

Lists can be fabricated.

Lamont, the original post states that only the first name is the same while the last name AND the address are different. That's very little "evidence" to risk permanently tarnishing someone's reputation.

savageamusement · 07-22-2006, 11:57 PM

I am torn-

I kinda have a difficult decisin- see if I don't say anything, and it turns out it IS a bad trader from before- of course I could have prevented problems

but as DigitalMonkey says, and is correct -it could ruin a reputation.

The details are this-

The user is somewhat new here.
There is no feedback for this user, bad or good.
They haven't been on here more than 6 months.

Their list does have SOME items of this old bad trader.
They do have the same FIRST name and way of emailing-habits.

But the last name and address are completely and utterly wrong.

Which is why I am asking the groups opinion.

As I said, cautious vs paranoid.

jie3 · 07-23-2006, 01:02 AM

[QUOTE=digitalmonkey]Lists can be fabricated.

Yes, but if savage knows any of the names on the list, she can contact them directly.

digitalmonkey · 07-23-2006, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jie3

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalmonkey

Lists can be fabricated.

Yes, but if savage knows any of the names on the list, she can contact them directly.

I thought Savage was referring to a similar list of available items.

jie3 · 07-23-2006, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalmonkey

I thought Savage was referring to a similar list of available items.

Think we've got our wires crossed, I meant the list of references. Whoever the trader says can vouch for them, Savage can contact them and ask if he/she is legit.

savageamusement · 07-23-2006, 03:26 AM

I appreciate any and all feedback that has been left on this.

I am not making a decision yet, but I would like to hear more opinions.

But, if ever there was a good time to remind people-

Check your refrences, CHECK the bad trader list-
Trust your gut.

Start slow and steady, and don't trade what you can't lose.

Don't fear questioning a trader, good traders won't mind-
And the best asset a trader can have sometimes is patience.

If you jump into a large trade, trying to knock out all 50 discs you want from someone that you never traded before- your opening yourself to being taken advantage of.

Lex Luthor · 07-23-2006, 11:06 AM

Have you questioned the user, explaining the issues you have with this account. I know that if a mod came and asked me I would have no problems with it because there is nothing to hide (okay some things but I bury the bodies deep).

loren · 07-23-2006, 11:23 AM

lists--please

one buttmunch copies my list exactly and even had it on ioffer, letter for letter

i started putting my email info all over it, and caused them to at least retype it

so a persons-or scammers list means very little

it takes no time to whip one up

i find that scammers are not very bright, and are usualy lazy as well

mosta re too cheap to pull a proper scam, thats why they are so easy to spot

very seldom do they chenge much about them

soemtimes even just spelling a letter or two differently

theres an old saying where i come from

if it looks like cat puke

and smells like cat puke

and tastes like cat puke

its probably not cookies

for my own dealings, i use the send first option

theres no way im going to mail items to a suspect address, without them sendong their end first

nothing is worth the risk

that pretty much tells the story if they are legit

personaly, i do deal with scammers and basicaly whomever, as long as they do their end of a deal, by sending first

be it, trade, blanks, or green stuff

if your cool with me, thats all i seriously care about

RedWhine56 · 07-23-2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savageamusement

I am torn-

I kinda have a difficult decisin- see if I don't say anything, and it turns out it IS a bad trader from before- of course I could have prevented problems

but as DigitalMonkey says, and is correct -it could ruin a reputation.

The details are this-

The user is somewhat new here.
There is no feedback for this user, bad or good.
They haven't been on here more than 6 months.

Their list does have SOME items of this old bad trader.
They do have the same FIRST name and way of emailing-habits.

But the last name and address are completely and utterly wrong.

Which is why I am asking the groups opinion.

As I said, cautious vs paranoid.

Well, I don't know what to tell you to do, but the fact that you say the email habits are similar is suspicious. I understand someone could have a similar list with same first name...but couple that with same email habits (if you mean verbiage used, misspellings, grammar, etc)...well, it's very coincidental, IMO.

Lamont · 07-24-2006, 12:08 AM

i try to avoid dealing with known scammers and bad traders

i have a list of people i will not deal with for a million bucks
and people who i block their emails or delete them unread

if someone scammed padre or loren or lilhave--- i dont mess with them, dont want their discs, dont want their money, dont want their blanks----
dont want anything to do with them

to me, even if they do right by me and send what they say, they STILL ripped THAT STUFF off from the guy before me so i wash my hands at them

THE BAD THING IS that scammers, come back under another name, or get their brother or friend to let them use their address--- or use a work address--or maiden name, etc etc etc

THE FUNNY THING IS
bad traders and scammers OFTEN FORGET WHO THEY HAVE RIPPED OFF--- ive had a guy who ripped me off, email me 9 months later about setting up a trade
FROM HIS SAME EMAIL ADDRESS HE USED LAST TIME!!!!!!!

that is why, if the moderator has a strong suspicion on someone
there is a good chance its right!!!!

07-22-2006, 10:22 PM	#1
savageamusement Cutest Couch Potato Senior Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 2,103	Groups Opinion On Bad trader/Info Question. A user has popped up on a site. They have the first name of an older, notorious bad trader. And a very similar list. But the last name is different And the address is different. So this is my dilemma I don't want to tarnish a might be innocent trader. But if a user is divorced and moves this would account for things. When does cautious run into Paranoia. Feedback please
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07-22-2006, 10:49 PM	#2
digitalmonkey just getting started Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 14, 2006 Location: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Posts: 351	Unless the first name is Jebidiah or some other uncommon name I don't think you should really do anything yet. A lot of traders have very similar lists and the damage you would do to a potentially honest trader far outweigh the damage you would prevent by stopping a trade with a bad trader because, as we all know, people should only make small trades with unknown (unproven) individuals thus limiting their losses when scammed. my 2 cents
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07-22-2006, 11:00 PM	#3
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	.... KIM here is what i think I have seen that scam pulled many times SUE MAPLES-- aka PAM BEATTY aka SUE BEATTY aka PAM MAPLES etc etc and of course it was NEVER HER--- always her sister in law, or ex hubby or someone else--- BUT NOT HER or TWOONIA SYKES aka TWOONIA HAYNES aka JARED HAYNES etc etc etc IF THE ADDRESS is similar (same city etc) then i would assume the worst BECAUSE i have found that scammers will use ALTERNATE LAST NAMES easy as pie a maiden name, or even their middle name substituted as a last name FOR INSTANCE if we had an ANGIE SMITH from AIKEN SC pop up--- BINGO!!! --- or an ANDY JOHNSON who wanted a western union sent to SAN FRANCISCO---- you get the meaning...... someone can get a PO BOX or a MAILBOX ETC address in another city--- 5 minutes away-- and with a MAILDROP site, it "LOOKS" like a street address-- b/c they have it mailed to the MAIL site at 123 main st, # 1222, and the #1222 is their BOX # if u have enough concern, then id check it out and if the info seems close enough, id look into it deeper and see---- do the ISP's match? is it the same internet account? etc etc etc i have found that 90% of the time, when someone has a suspicion about a bad trader from the past-- it turns out to be correct!
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07-22-2006, 11:18 PM	#4
jie3 Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Location: HOME OF THE BRAVE! Posts: 1,057	That's a tuffy, but if he/she already has a list, then he/she must have done quite a few trades already. Why not explain the situation to him/her, and ask him/her to provide a short list of reputable references. Given your experience Savage, you'll probably be on first name terms with most of them (if they are legit). Therefore, you can base your decision on the feedback they give. That's what I'd do anyway. Cheers, J
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07-23-2006, 03:26 AM	#10
savageamusement Cutest Couch Potato Senior Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 2,103	well I appreciate any and all feedback that has been left on this. I am not making a decision yet, but I would like to hear more opinions. But, if ever there was a good time to remind people- Check your refrences, CHECK the bad trader list- Trust your gut. Start slow and steady, and don't trade what you can't lose. Don't fear questioning a trader, good traders won't mind- And the best asset a trader can have sometimes is patience. If you jump into a large trade, trying to knock out all 50 discs you want from someone that you never traded before- your opening yourself to being taken advantage of.

07-22-2006, 11:57 PM	#6
savageamusement Cutest Couch Potato Senior Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 2,103	I am torn- I kinda have a difficult decisin- see if I don't say anything, and it turns out it IS a bad trader from before- of course I could have prevented problems but as DigitalMonkey says, and is correct -it could ruin a reputation. The details are this- The user is somewhat new here. There is no feedback for this user, bad or good. They haven't been on here more than 6 months. Their list does have SOME items of this old bad trader. They do have the same FIRST name and way of emailing-habits. But the last name and address are completely and utterly wrong. Which is why I am asking the groups opinion. As I said, cautious vs paranoid.

07-23-2006, 01:02 AM	#7
jie3 Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Location: HOME OF THE BRAVE! Posts: 1,057	[QUOTE=digitalmonkey]Lists can be fabricated. Yes, but if savage knows any of the names on the list, she can contact them directly.

07-23-2006, 11:06 AM	#11
Lex Luthor I'm bringing Lexy back Senior Member Join Date: Jun 07, 2005 Location: The Great White North Posts: 2,374	Have you questioned the user, explaining the issues you have with this account. I know that if a mod came and asked me I would have no problems with it because there is nothing to hide (okay some things but I bury the bodies deep).
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07-23-2006, 11:23 AM	#12
loren Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,516	lists--please one buttmunch copies my list exactly and even had it on ioffer, letter for letter i started putting my email info all over it, and caused them to at least retype it so a persons-or scammers list means very little it takes no time to whip one up i find that scammers are not very bright, and are usualy lazy as well mosta re too cheap to pull a proper scam, thats why they are so easy to spot very seldom do they chenge much about them soemtimes even just spelling a letter or two differently theres an old saying where i come from if it looks like cat puke and smells like cat puke and tastes like cat puke its probably not cookies for my own dealings, i use the send first option theres no way im going to mail items to a suspect address, without them sendong their end first nothing is worth the risk that pretty much tells the story if they are legit personaly, i do deal with scammers and basicaly whomever, as long as they do their end of a deal, by sending first be it, trade, blanks, or green stuff if your cool with me, thats all i seriously care about

07-24-2006, 12:08 AM	#14
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	... i try to avoid dealing with known scammers and bad traders i have a list of people i will not deal with for a million bucks and people who i block their emails or delete them unread if someone scammed padre or loren or lilhave--- i dont mess with them, dont want their discs, dont want their money, dont want their blanks---- dont want anything to do with them to me, even if they do right by me and send what they say, they STILL ripped THAT STUFF off from the guy before me so i wash my hands at them THE BAD THING IS that scammers, come back under another name, or get their brother or friend to let them use their address--- or use a work address--or maiden name, etc etc etc THE FUNNY THING IS bad traders and scammers OFTEN FORGET WHO THEY HAVE RIPPED OFF--- ive had a guy who ripped me off, email me 9 months later about setting up a trade FROM HIS SAME EMAIL ADDRESS HE USED LAST TIME!!!!!!! that is why, if the moderator has a strong suspicion on someone there is a good chance its right!!!!