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skunk ape · 07-14-2006, 09:22 AM

Were the Sheppards and their accomplices convicted, and if so, how much time did they receive?

JimmyHendricks · 07-14-2006, 02:41 PM

I live in KC, and was 6 years old when the explosion occurred. My home was about 5 miles from the site, and the whole house shook like an earthquake. I don't remember a loud BANG! or anything, just a rumble.

Yes, all were convicted. Each one of them received life in prison without parole. If you think that's harsh, it's understandable, but you have to understand, that the explosion was perhaps the biggest tragedy in Kansas City history, along with the Hyatt Regency balcony collapse in 1980. Anyone convicted would have gotten the maximum punishment.

To give you an idea of how big it was, the KC explosion had over 50,000 pounds of aminomium nitrate, which was the same substance Timothy McVeigh used in the Oklahoma City bombing. The KC blast had FIFTY THOUSAND POUNDS. McVeigh used 2,500 pounds worth in that Ryder truck. You saw the damage it did--now imagine 47,000 more pounds exploding at once and you'll have an idea of the magnitute of the KC blast. It was MASSIVE. Here's a quote from the "KC Framed 5" page I linked below:

"The explosion had five times the impact of the bomb that destroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City. It was so catastrophic that one of the two fire department pumpers evaporated. Literally. It was never found. The explosion broke windows and cracked walls for miles around and was heard as far away as Warrensburg, Mo., some 45 miles to the east. One woman, who lived a mile away, told police the explosion bent the car key laying on her kitchen table into an L-shape and broke her dog's eardrums."

Eventually the highway project resumed, and was completed, with the memorial the UM segment showed. But as the project was ongoing, someone had spraypainted on the rocky hillside, "In Memory of the FireFighters" and planted 6 American Flags. A few years later, one of my friends went hiking up there with his dad, and found a firefighter's boot. Creepy.

Also, when the UM segment first aired, at the end, when they would show the 800 number, instead a KC Detective appeared, and said that the KC police was beginning to start the process of pressing charges, but still gave a local number to call. Interesting. About 2 years later, everyone was charged.

Here's a couple of links to the whole story:

The KC Star Report the evening of the blast (back then we had the KC Times in the morning, and the Star in the evening):

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...e/12508853.htm

And apparently the convicted seem to think that they are the West Memphis 3 or something. Ugh. However, it has loads of information about the case, the trial, etc. I think it's particularly distasteful to have the logo engulfed in flames. That sure isn't helping sway my opinion. My uncle's girlfriend's son (what a mouthful) worked with 3 of the guys convicted, and well, he was a druggie, and all 5 of the convicted were meth and crack addicts as well. They claim they were easy targets. Um-kay.:

http://www.kc-framed-5.org/

Hope this helps!!

Kane · 07-14-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyHendricks

I think it's particularly distasteful to have the logo engulfed in flames. That sure isn't helping sway my opinion.

I don't blame you. It just goes to show that when you present a case where someone is believed to have been unjustly or wrongfully convicted, you have to be extremely careful as to how you present it.

If you are going to publicly complain about such a case, you should always do in a productive manner. That means, you must avoid resorting to verbal abuse or bitter tirades. Not only would such hostility hurt your credibility, but it could also put the prisoner you are trying to help in more danger, not less.

skunk ape · 07-14-2006, 03:52 PM

What evidence linked them to the crime? The low-lifes convicted of the killings seem like the only explosive device they would know about is their meth lab.
Also, did the battalion chief and the two security guards die in the explosion?
In the re-enactment, it looked like they were close enough to become vaporized, like the firetruck.

JimmyHendricks · 07-14-2006, 04:39 PM

No, the battalion chief, nor either one of the security guards were killed. The chief was in his car trying to radio the firefighters to get out of there, just like in the segment. The explosion blew the car's windshield completely out, back into his face. It's his voice in the segment...."Explosion just as we pulled up in here...get us all kinds of ambulances, and at least a couple or three more companies......"

UMLongtimefan · 07-14-2006, 06:57 PM

I've mentioned several times that this is one of UM's most memorable segments for me.

I for one could not be happier that the killers of the firemen are in prison for a very very long time. Harsh?... hardly.

My question though is, what happened to the idiots in the construction company that put the explosives in the trailer , instead of the mandated explosive bunkers? I'm not saying their guilty of murder to the extent the arsonist were but I'd like to know if the company foreman, demolitions expert, project manager and owner had some criminal charges slapped on them beyond the obvious civil infractions that they should have been charged with.. I don't think involuntary manslaughter charges against those individuals would be unreasonable.

skunk ape · 07-14-2006, 07:14 PM

So what evidence netted the Sheppard crew?

kane7474 · 07-15-2006, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skunk ape

So what evidence netted the Sheppard crew?

Good question. Very little evidence indeed. The way I heard it was that the Shepards had stolen a bunch of tools from this site. They bragged about it and I guess someone turned them in years later for the theft. Police conducted a search and found items that were missing from the site in the Shepards possesion. The idea is that these people set fire to the trailor to cover up the theft. I don't think they realized that the fire would spread to were the explosives were. If the construction company would have had the explosive material stored properly none of this would have ever happened.

skunk ape · 07-15-2006, 03:31 AM

Thanks for the info, Kane.

Damn that's got to suck. Crime does not pay. What's the most they could have gotten for just stealing the tools? 1-5 years? Now they're doing life, all because they set fires to cover their tracks. How ironic that the fires they set ended up sealing their fates. I'm glad they got the right people. When I first saw that segment years ago, I had this feeling that it was a crafty arsonist/demolitions expert that went psycho and devised a trap to kill as many firefighters and police as they could. But, it turned out to be tweakers hard up for cash.

kane7474 · 07-16-2006, 03:08 PM

Well thats just the police version. It just so happens that this construction company was having issues with labor unions at the time. Alot of people around here think that has alot more to do with this than the Shepards.

george ramos · 07-23-2006, 05:18 PM

Harsh? They are lucky they didn't get death. And yes they do claim they are innocent though I don't believe them. With guys like these its hard to prove which guys claiming innocence are telling the truth or BS.

passionsfan79 · 07-23-2006, 06:48 PM

That must of been something that you kinda remember what happened. And it was on UM.

kane7474 · 07-01-2008, 06:19 PM

This case has been reopened and is being investigated again
http://www.kmbc.com/news/16760328/detail.html

unsolvedmysteriesfan · 07-02-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kane7474

This case has been reopened and is being investigated again
http://www.kmbc.com/news/16760328/detail.html

Good catch, Kane. Thanks for posting.

mike890 · 07-02-2008, 09:14 AM

"http://zinelibrary.net/kc5/"

This is an interesting read. If true the convictions are complete bs.

07-14-2006, 09:22 AM	#1
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07-14-2006, 02:41 PM	#2
JimmyHendricks Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 11, 2004 Posts: 112	I live in KC, and was 6 years old when the explosion occurred. My home was about 5 miles from the site, and the whole house shook like an earthquake. I don't remember a loud BANG! or anything, just a rumble. Yes, all were convicted. Each one of them received life in prison without parole. If you think that's harsh, it's understandable, but you have to understand, that the explosion was perhaps the biggest tragedy in Kansas City history, along with the Hyatt Regency balcony collapse in 1980. Anyone convicted would have gotten the maximum punishment. To give you an idea of how big it was, the KC explosion had over 50,000 pounds of aminomium nitrate, which was the same substance Timothy McVeigh used in the Oklahoma City bombing. The KC blast had FIFTY THOUSAND POUNDS. McVeigh used 2,500 pounds worth in that Ryder truck. You saw the damage it did--now imagine 47,000 more pounds exploding at once and you'll have an idea of the magnitute of the KC blast. It was MASSIVE. Here's a quote from the "KC Framed 5" page I linked below: "The explosion had five times the impact of the bomb that destroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City. It was so catastrophic that one of the two fire department pumpers evaporated. Literally. It was never found. The explosion broke windows and cracked walls for miles around and was heard as far away as Warrensburg, Mo., some 45 miles to the east. One woman, who lived a mile away, told police the explosion bent the car key laying on her kitchen table into an L-shape and broke her dog's eardrums." Eventually the highway project resumed, and was completed, with the memorial the UM segment showed. But as the project was ongoing, someone had spraypainted on the rocky hillside, "In Memory of the FireFighters" and planted 6 American Flags. A few years later, one of my friends went hiking up there with his dad, and found a firefighter's boot. Creepy. Also, when the UM segment first aired, at the end, when they would show the 800 number, instead a KC Detective appeared, and said that the KC police was beginning to start the process of pressing charges, but still gave a local number to call. Interesting. About 2 years later, everyone was charged. Here's a couple of links to the whole story: The KC Star Report the evening of the blast (back then we had the KC Times in the morning, and the Star in the evening): http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...e/12508853.htm And apparently the convicted seem to think that they are the West Memphis 3 or something. Ugh. However, it has loads of information about the case, the trial, etc. I think it's particularly distasteful to have the logo engulfed in flames. That sure isn't helping sway my opinion. My uncle's girlfriend's son (what a mouthful) worked with 3 of the guys convicted, and well, he was a druggie, and all 5 of the convicted were meth and crack addicts as well. They claim they were easy targets. Um-kay.: http://www.kc-framed-5.org/ Hope this helps!!
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07-23-2006, 06:48 PM	#12
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07-14-2006, 03:52 PM	#4
skunk ape Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 25, 2006 Location: FL Posts: 167	What evidence linked them to the crime? The low-lifes convicted of the killings seem like the only explosive device they would know about is their meth lab. Also, did the battalion chief and the two security guards die in the explosion? In the re-enactment, it looked like they were close enough to become vaporized, like the firetruck.

07-14-2006, 04:39 PM	#5
JimmyHendricks Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 11, 2004 Posts: 112	No, the battalion chief, nor either one of the security guards were killed. The chief was in his car trying to radio the firefighters to get out of there, just like in the segment. The explosion blew the car's windshield completely out, back into his face. It's his voice in the segment...."Explosion just as we pulled up in here...get us all kinds of ambulances, and at least a couple or three more companies......"

07-14-2006, 06:57 PM	#6
UMLongtimefan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 08, 2006 Location: ??? Posts: 161	I've mentioned several times that this is one of UM's most memorable segments for me. I for one could not be happier that the killers of the firemen are in prison for a very very long time. Harsh?... hardly. My question though is, what happened to the idiots in the construction company that put the explosives in the trailer , instead of the mandated explosive bunkers? I'm not saying their guilty of murder to the extent the arsonist were but I'd like to know if the company foreman, demolitions expert, project manager and owner had some criminal charges slapped on them beyond the obvious civil infractions that they should have been charged with.. I don't think involuntary manslaughter charges against those individuals would be unreasonable.

07-14-2006, 07:14 PM	#7
skunk ape Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 25, 2006 Location: FL Posts: 167	So what evidence netted the Sheppard crew?

07-15-2006, 03:31 AM	#9
skunk ape Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 25, 2006 Location: FL Posts: 167	Thanks for the info, Kane. Damn that's got to suck. Crime does not pay. What's the most they could have gotten for just stealing the tools? 1-5 years? Now they're doing life, all because they set fires to cover their tracks. How ironic that the fires they set ended up sealing their fates. I'm glad they got the right people. When I first saw that segment years ago, I had this feeling that it was a crafty arsonist/demolitions expert that went psycho and devised a trap to kill as many firefighters and police as they could. But, it turned out to be tweakers hard up for cash.

07-16-2006, 03:08 PM	#10
kane7474 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 10, 2006 Posts: 778	Well thats just the police version. It just so happens that this construction company was having issues with labor unions at the time. Alot of people around here think that has alot more to do with this than the Shepards.

07-23-2006, 05:18 PM	#11
george ramos Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 28, 2005 Posts: 148	Harsh? They are lucky they didn't get death. And yes they do claim they are innocent though I don't believe them. With guys like these its hard to prove which guys claiming innocence are telling the truth or BS.

07-01-2008, 06:19 PM	#13
kane7474 Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 10, 2006 Posts: 778	This case has been reopened and is being investigated again http://www.kmbc.com/news/16760328/detail.html

07-02-2008, 09:14 AM	#15
mike890 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 07, 2003 Posts: 46	"http://zinelibrary.net/kc5/" This is an interesting read. If true the convictions are complete bs.