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C Ingram · 06-20-2006, 03:28 AM

Lots of posts on this board about how the 1954 version ran overtime and was cut off. How does this play on the "lost episodes" DVDs? Do they fade it out at an appropriate point (as they did in syndication and on Showtime), or does the CBS logo pop up and cut off the sketch, as it did on the air? Does anyone have that version, and/or Jackie Gleason's explanation in his monologue the following week? Thanks.

Benno123 · 06-20-2006, 09:29 PM

I heard that the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is in a private collection and that is why it isn't available on the home video market. Now, I don't know how true that is or not, but I know that a print of "Starts Over Flatbush" was also in a private collection, and they is how that entire Jackie Gleason Show episode ended up on the collectors market.

Bill S. · 06-20-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Benno123

I heard that the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is in a private collection and that is why it isn't available on the home video market. Now, I don't know how true that is or not, but I know that a print of "Starts Over Flatbush" was also in a private collection, and they is how that entire Jackie Gleason Show episode ended up on the collectors market.

That's what I've heard as well. I just don't understand how episodes like this and "Love Letter" managed to sneak out of Gleason's vault and into the hands of a select few. One thing's for sure, which VIDEOWACK confirmed, the "Stand In For Murder" remake was shown at one of the R.A.L.P.H. conventions. If it IS in a private collection, hopefully whoever has it will turn it in to MPI so they can give it a proper release.

Benno123 · 06-20-2006, 10:42 PM

The only thing I can figure is that the show was in Gleason's collection because "Stars Over Flatbush" is available. Perhaps Gleason's kine of the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is damaged, or for some odd reason they just chose not to include it?!?!? Can anyone verify if the Museum of Television and Radio has the 1955 remake in their collection?

By the way, am I the only one who wishes that the Museum of TV and Radio would put a databse of their collection available online? That would be so nice, and handly, to TV fans!

Bill S. · 06-20-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Benno123

The only thing I can figure is that the show was in Gleason's collection because "Stars Over Flatbush" is available. Perhaps Gleason's kine of the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is damaged, or for some odd reason they just chose not to include it?!?!?

Audrey Meadows mentioned in "Love, Alice" that Jackie, Marylin and herself sat down and went through every Lost Episode and decided which ones to release. The reason "Stand In For Murder" and a good amount of unreleased episodes weren't included was probably because they were too similar to other episodes. That doesn't explain "Stars Over Flatbush" though.

Another thing that always bothered me was how people claimed that episodes were "Lost forever" when they still existed. For example, "Lost Baby" and "Quiz Show," which are now widely available to us, were both listed as "Lost" on a list with episodes like "The Turkey." That makes me think that episodes like "The Turkey" still exist somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Benno123

By the way, am I the only one who wishes that the Museum of TV and Radio would put a databse of their collection available online? That would be so nice, and handly, to TV fans!

Haha, I've been saying the same thing for years. It would really come in handy at a time like this.

C Ingram · 06-21-2006, 03:58 AM

Not only would I like to see the database online, but I wish the MT&R would make selected shows available on DVD. UCLA has done this with the recent release of "Mr. Peepers," which came from their archives, and has a "UCLA" logo in the lower right from time to time (no doubt to prevent piracy). Many of the MT&R shows must be past copyright restrictions by now, especially kinescopes from the 1950's.

06-20-2006, 03:28 AM	#1
C Ingram Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 04, 2006 Posts: 35	"Stand In For Murder" Lots of posts on this board about how the 1954 version ran overtime and was cut off. How does this play on the "lost episodes" DVDs? Do they fade it out at an appropriate point (as they did in syndication and on Showtime), or does the CBS logo pop up and cut off the sketch, as it did on the air? Does anyone have that version, and/or Jackie Gleason's explanation in his monologue the following week? Thanks.

06-20-2006, 09:29 PM	#2
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	I heard that the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is in a private collection and that is why it isn't available on the home video market. Now, I don't know how true that is or not, but I know that a print of "Starts Over Flatbush" was also in a private collection, and they is how that entire Jackie Gleason Show episode ended up on the collectors market.

06-20-2006, 10:42 PM	#4
Benno123 Jenna Fischer Rocks My World!! Senior Member Join Date: Nov 01, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,036	The only thing I can figure is that the show was in Gleason's collection because "Stars Over Flatbush" is available. Perhaps Gleason's kine of the 1955 remake of "Stand In" is damaged, or for some odd reason they just chose not to include it?!?!? Can anyone verify if the Museum of Television and Radio has the 1955 remake in their collection? By the way, am I the only one who wishes that the Museum of TV and Radio would put a databse of their collection available online? That would be so nice, and handly, to TV fans!

06-21-2006, 03:58 AM	#6
C Ingram Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 04, 2006 Posts: 35	Not only would I like to see the database online, but I wish the MT&R would make selected shows available on DVD. UCLA has done this with the recent release of "Mr. Peepers," which came from their archives, and has a "UCLA" logo in the lower right from time to time (no doubt to prevent piracy). Many of the MT&R shows must be past copyright restrictions by now, especially kinescopes from the 1950's.