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Mr. Fuji · 06-13-2006, 09:15 AM

This case aired yesterday and I think it was the second or third time I'd seen it. It was about this doctor that had been charged with sexually assaulting four of his patients and then allegedly raped a female patient before skipping town. So far, there have been no updates.

Now the girl whom they profiled said that Dr. Sinha manipulated her into a strange position, and that before she knew what happened, he had raped her. My question is this: how is it possible for this to happen? She seemed to be definitely old enough (around her mid 20s) to understand what sex was and what it meant to be raped. I just don't see how the doctor could do all of this stuff without her even knowing what was going on. Did anybody else find this a bit strange? I don't want to say I don't believe her, but I'm just wondering how what she said could be true.

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-13-2006, 12:45 PM

She was obviously naive, however... that doesn't excuse the actions ot the doctor. Forgive me, as I've gone off on these types of rants before... Doctors, priests, and policeman (to an extent) are all people who we expect to help us. We give them more trust than a lot of other people in our lives, as they are privy to a lot of aspects of ourselves that we wouldn't normally show the general public. (Think of all the things you tell your doctor that you haven't told your friends-- see my point?)

I get so angry when I read about people who take advantage of the trust that comes with their position in order to manipulate other people to their liking. This doctor is a prime example of that. I believe that he did rape the patient in his office. Look at it this way: She went to see him for a reason. If he told her to get in some odd position, she would most likely do it not only because she wanted help, but because a doctor (a figure of authority) told her to do it.

Sorry for the rant, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make.

Mr. Fuji · 06-13-2006, 01:08 PM

Right, I agree and I hope you don't think that for one second I'm excusing the doctor's actions with my posts. I agree with you that I get sick when people say things like, "She was so stupid that she deserved to be raped," or anything even remotely close to those lines.

The point that I made is how in the heck could the doctor do those things to her without her knowing it. I could see how he could tell her to get into a sexually suggestive position without her realizing that he was some sicko doctor, but how could he go through with the entire rape before she even realized that anything was going on? It doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I am a guy and some of those things I just won't understand.

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-13-2006, 01:53 PM

I've mentioned on here before that I've worked with victims of sexual assualt, and think that the reason that a lot of them don't fight a rape while it's in progress is because they're scared of making the guy mad and having him beat the crap out of them. (I always thought I would be the type that would fight a rape to the death, and I saw what some of those girls looked like at the end of one of those fights... broken ribs, broken tailbones, black eyes...it makes you rethink that stance.)

In addition, rape is a traumatic event. I'm sure that the victim had an idea it was going on, but in some cases, the victim disassociates from themselves in an effort to cope with what was going on. That's why you hear a lot of victims say "I didn't think it was real. It was like I was watching it."

Hope that helps. (Oh, and I totally didn't think you were defending the doctor or blaming the victim. Your post was fine.

)

hovaslash · 06-13-2006, 02:31 PM

As weve seen in some cases involving these sickos, the moment
the victim ceases to resist/fight back is the moment the perpetrator loses
interest. The recently deceased NH serial killer was an example of this
phenomenon. If my memory serves me correctly, there would not have been as much as a composite sketch of him if not for the cunning of the pregnant woman he left behind. The bottom line is nobody knows what is going on inside the mind of someone like that and I'd want the female loved ones in my life to fight whatever's happening to them tooth and claw should they (forbid)
be in a situation like that.

UMLongtimefan · 06-13-2006, 08:33 PM

Mr. Fuji,

Are you familiar with the Milgram study? The Milgram study was a famous sociological study done in the 50s and 60s at Yale I believe. Essentially what Milgram wanted to find out was why a normal member of a society any average jane or joe, would do what average janes and joes did in Nazi Germany.

Milgram discovered that most people will not question someone who is "in an authority position" even if that person orders them to due something terrible (in this study give "electric shocks" to a stranger- the shocks were fake btw, the "victim" pretended to get hurt sometimes to die).

What was amazing about that study was the person "in an authority position" could have been a person in a white coat or a voice over a speaker phone. It didn't matter most people followed the orders in a voluntary study.

So now imagine the patient. here is the doctor telling them he wants them to do something as Ricci said by the time they realized they were being horribly assualted they probably blocked it out of their mind as they went into shock.

That's why those crimes are so so very horrible (and lets not forget men are victims of assault and it may be one of the most under-reported crimes in the country, because no man wants to come forward and admit this even in today's day and age can you imagine 30 or 20 years ago--puhhhlleease). In most cases only murder is rightly given a harsher treatment by our courts.

nohwheregirl · 06-14-2006, 09:54 AM

I can see how this would happen. I don't remember the details of her description, but during a pelvic or anal exam, you usually can't see what the doctor is doing. They're supposed to tell you what's going on, like, "Okay, I'm inserting a finger, you will feel some pressure." He may have had her head in a position where she couldn't see what was happening even if he was in a standing position. She could have been in so much shock that she may have just froze at some point.

The Milgram Study is a good example. Also, I recently saw a show on Court TV that featured the Milgram Study as well as the case of a man who would call fast food restaurants, convince the managers that he was a cop, and order them to strip search their employees. And guess what....dozens of people actually did it!

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-14-2006, 10:39 AM

Something else that's interesting about the Milgram study is that when they tried to replicate it (with people in street clothes, as opposed to the lab coats they wore the first time around), the compliance rate dramatically decreased. It certainly says something for the authority we give people when they dress the part.

Thanks to Longtime UM fan for bringing the Milgram Experiment up. I was going to mention it, but I thought that some might find it boring... I was totally wrong.

unsolved88 · 07-15-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nohwheregirl

I can see how this would happen. I don't remember the details of her description, but during a pelvic or anal exam, you usually can't see what the doctor is doing. They're supposed to tell you what's going on, like, "Okay, I'm inserting a finger, you will feel some pressure." He may have had her head in a position where she couldn't see what was happening even if he was in a standing position. She could have been in so much shock that she may have just froze at some point.

The Milgram Study is a good example. Also, I recently saw a show on Court TV that featured the Milgram Study as well as the case of a man who would call fast food restaurants, convince the managers that he was a cop, and order them to strip search their employees. And guess what....dozens of people actually did it!

Good point about the pelvic and anal exam. But she went to him for a cold, so why would he even have to examine those parts of her body anyway? I just find it hard to believe that such a thing didn't strike this woman as being odd.

Arnold_OldSchool · 07-21-2006, 12:59 AM

If you google his name, a doctor comes up with the same name. Must make a few people wary when seeing that.

george ramos · 07-23-2006, 05:26 PM

The guy was never caught which is not surprising since he's Indian and obviously fled to his country. I hate it when stupid judges give accused rapists and murderers bond.

http://www.ibb.gov/fugitives/sinha.html

Ireneparalegal · 07-23-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Fuji

Right, I agree and I hope you don't think that for one second I'm excusing the doctor's actions with my posts. I agree with you that I get sick when people say things like, "She was so stupid that she deserved to be raped," or anything even remotely close to those lines.

The point that I made is how in the heck could the doctor do those things to her without her knowing it. I could see how he could tell her to get into a sexually suggestive position without her realizing that he was some sicko doctor, but how could he go through with the entire rape before she even realized that anything was going on? It doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I am a guy and some of those things I just won't understand.

See how naive you sound in your post...that is how things can happen to women.

SP4CE INV4DERZ · 07-23-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george ramos

I hate it when stupid judges give accused rapists and murderers bond.

Isn't that how your government makes money?

george ramos · 07-23-2006, 09:50 PM

Unfortunately, are you Canadian?

Mr. Fuji · 07-25-2006, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

See how naive you sound in your post...that is how things can happen to women.

This post makes about as much sense as a lot of your other posts on this board.

(Not very much.)

I had an honest concern about a case and I posted it. My only concern was how it would be possible to get raped and not realize it until the rape is already over. Part of the reason I posted it is because I watched the segment with my wife and she said there was no way it would be possible for someone to get raped without realizing what was going on until it was over. I agreed with her and decided to ask for people's opinion on how that could happen.

So that makes me naive? Right. Thanks for your input on this matter. I'll do with this post what I do with all of your other posts.

(Ignore it.)

06-13-2006, 09:15 AM	#1
Mr. Fuji Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 23, 2004 Posts: 235	The Arvin Sinha Rape Case (Adult Material) This case aired yesterday and I think it was the second or third time I'd seen it. It was about this doctor that had been charged with sexually assaulting four of his patients and then allegedly raped a female patient before skipping town. So far, there have been no updates. Now the girl whom they profiled said that Dr. Sinha manipulated her into a strange position, and that before she knew what happened, he had raped her. My question is this: how is it possible for this to happen? She seemed to be definitely old enough (around her mid 20s) to understand what sex was and what it meant to be raped. I just don't see how the doctor could do all of this stuff without her even knowing what was going on. Did anybody else find this a bit strange? I don't want to say I don't believe her, but I'm just wondering how what she said could be true.

07-21-2006, 12:59 AM	#10
Arnold_OldSchool Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 680	Yikes If you google his name, a doctor comes up with the same name. Must make a few people wary when seeing that.

06-13-2006, 12:45 PM	#2
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	She was obviously naive, however... that doesn't excuse the actions ot the doctor. Forgive me, as I've gone off on these types of rants before... Doctors, priests, and policeman (to an extent) are all people who we expect to help us. We give them more trust than a lot of other people in our lives, as they are privy to a lot of aspects of ourselves that we wouldn't normally show the general public. (Think of all the things you tell your doctor that you haven't told your friends-- see my point?) I get so angry when I read about people who take advantage of the trust that comes with their position in order to manipulate other people to their liking. This doctor is a prime example of that. I believe that he did rape the patient in his office. Look at it this way: She went to see him for a reason. If he told her to get in some odd position, she would most likely do it not only because she wanted help, but because a doctor (a figure of authority) told her to do it. Sorry for the rant, but I hope you see the point I'm trying to make.

06-13-2006, 01:08 PM	#3
Mr. Fuji Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 23, 2004 Posts: 235	Right, I agree and I hope you don't think that for one second I'm excusing the doctor's actions with my posts. I agree with you that I get sick when people say things like, "She was so stupid that she deserved to be raped," or anything even remotely close to those lines. The point that I made is how in the heck could the doctor do those things to her without her knowing it. I could see how he could tell her to get into a sexually suggestive position without her realizing that he was some sicko doctor, but how could he go through with the entire rape before she even realized that anything was going on? It doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I am a guy and some of those things I just won't understand.

06-13-2006, 01:53 PM	#4
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	I've mentioned on here before that I've worked with victims of sexual assualt, and think that the reason that a lot of them don't fight a rape while it's in progress is because they're scared of making the guy mad and having him beat the crap out of them. (I always thought I would be the type that would fight a rape to the death, and I saw what some of those girls looked like at the end of one of those fights... broken ribs, broken tailbones, black eyes...it makes you rethink that stance.) In addition, rape is a traumatic event. I'm sure that the victim had an idea it was going on, but in some cases, the victim disassociates from themselves in an effort to cope with what was going on. That's why you hear a lot of victims say "I didn't think it was real. It was like I was watching it." Hope that helps. (Oh, and I totally didn't think you were defending the doctor or blaming the victim. Your post was fine. )

06-13-2006, 02:31 PM	#5
hovaslash Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 10, 2006 Location: ma Posts: 87	As weve seen in some cases involving these sickos, the moment the victim ceases to resist/fight back is the moment the perpetrator loses interest. The recently deceased NH serial killer was an example of this phenomenon. If my memory serves me correctly, there would not have been as much as a composite sketch of him if not for the cunning of the pregnant woman he left behind. The bottom line is nobody knows what is going on inside the mind of someone like that and I'd want the female loved ones in my life to fight whatever's happening to them tooth and claw should they (forbid) be in a situation like that.

06-13-2006, 08:33 PM	#6
UMLongtimefan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 08, 2006 Location: ??? Posts: 161	Mr. Fuji, Are you familiar with the Milgram study? The Milgram study was a famous sociological study done in the 50s and 60s at Yale I believe. Essentially what Milgram wanted to find out was why a normal member of a society any average jane or joe, would do what average janes and joes did in Nazi Germany. Milgram discovered that most people will not question someone who is "in an authority position" even if that person orders them to due something terrible (in this study give "electric shocks" to a stranger- the shocks were fake btw, the "victim" pretended to get hurt sometimes to die). What was amazing about that study was the person "in an authority position" could have been a person in a white coat or a voice over a speaker phone. It didn't matter most people followed the orders in a voluntary study. So now imagine the patient. here is the doctor telling them he wants them to do something as Ricci said by the time they realized they were being horribly assualted they probably blocked it out of their mind as they went into shock. That's why those crimes are so so very horrible (and lets not forget men are victims of assault and it may be one of the most under-reported crimes in the country, because no man wants to come forward and admit this even in today's day and age can you imagine 30 or 20 years ago--puhhhlleease). In most cases only murder is rightly given a harsher treatment by our courts.

06-14-2006, 09:54 AM	#7
nohwheregirl THE Mystery Machine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 23, 2004 Posts: 1,057	I can see how this would happen. I don't remember the details of her description, but during a pelvic or anal exam, you usually can't see what the doctor is doing. They're supposed to tell you what's going on, like, "Okay, I'm inserting a finger, you will feel some pressure." He may have had her head in a position where she couldn't see what was happening even if he was in a standing position. She could have been in so much shock that she may have just froze at some point. The Milgram Study is a good example. Also, I recently saw a show on Court TV that featured the Milgram Study as well as the case of a man who would call fast food restaurants, convince the managers that he was a cop, and order them to strip search their employees. And guess what....dozens of people actually did it!

06-14-2006, 10:39 AM	#8
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Something else that's interesting about the Milgram study is that when they tried to replicate it (with people in street clothes, as opposed to the lab coats they wore the first time around), the compliance rate dramatically decreased. It certainly says something for the authority we give people when they dress the part. Thanks to Longtime UM fan for bringing the Milgram Experiment up. I was going to mention it, but I thought that some might find it boring... I was totally wrong.

07-23-2006, 05:26 PM	#11
george ramos Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 28, 2005 Posts: 148	The guy was never caught which is not surprising since he's Indian and obviously fled to his country. I hate it when stupid judges give accused rapists and murderers bond. http://www.ibb.gov/fugitives/sinha.html

07-23-2006, 09:50 PM	#14
george ramos Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 28, 2005 Posts: 148	Unfortunately, are you Canadian?