Typically, how much were these edited in reruns?

[BuddyHinton]

I have watched all but the last season (and half of the fourth) and I'm not really seeing much here that I haven't seen before. In the Andy Griffith sets I can pick out whole conversations I KNOW weren't there b4, however with the Bradys I'm not finding much. I'm more familiar with Andy, but still I'm somewhat disappointed I can't find much on the Bradys. Was it less than average shows that was edited for reruns? Any random scene you guys can point out would be cool. Thanks.

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by BuddyHinton

I have watched all but the last season (and half of the fourth) and I'm not really seeing much here that I haven't seen before. In the Andy Griffith sets I can pick out whole conversations I KNOW weren't there b4, however with the Bradys I'm not finding much. I'm more familiar with Andy, but still I'm somewhat disappointed I can't find much on the Bradys. Was it less than average shows that was edited for reruns? Any random scene you guys can point out would be cool. Thanks.

Hi Buddy,

Take it from one of the biggest Brady Bunch fans who ever lived, there is a GREAT DEAL of chopped up and unseen scenes on various editions of The Brady Bunch that you can only see on the DVD. Although believed to be correct, but not guarenteed, the Brady Bunch Scenes No Longer Aired thread, posted a few pages down on this forum, gives a good comparison of the differet edits used in TV Land/Syndication prints. It also has a DVD restoration list. On average, The Brady Bunch on DVD contains an extra 2:30-3:30 of footage that you can't see anywhere else. DVD episodes run around 25-26 minutes on DVD, compared to UNDER 22 minutes on TV Land/Syndication.

Huge restorations have been found in Father of The Year, The Show Must Go On, and especially Cincinnatti Kids, which may have almost four minutes of missing footage restored. If you see a scene on your DVD change from very good to poor color often in the same scene, this is the usage of a 16mm or 35 mm back-up print that Paramount used to restore the scene to full length. Paramount could not find the original negatives in some cases because when the show went to full syndication around summer of 1975, they did their cuts from the original master tapes. Sometimes, you will see back-up prints on TV Land's version, but they often are forced to remove prints that you see in syndication to fit into a 22-minute slot. Each version has different edits.

Some episodes are cut worse than others. To make up for this, time-compression is used where the actors will talk faster than normal to take time off of a scene. You might be missing a line or two of dialogue, but time compression can often be used instead of editing a whole scene. For instance, AFAIK, The Voice of Christmas, rarely seen in syndication or TV Land is speeded up through time compression, but appears to have almost no editing. Sometimes edits can be very sutle. In that episode, someone said that a small scene about where Santa Clause is when the boys are listening to a radio program in their room has been cut by TV Land (not sure if it is still in syndication.) But you are still getting only about 22 minutes of footage due to editing or time compression on syndicated or TV Land prints, as opposed to fully restored 25-26 minutes of footage on DVD.

The DVD's are complete with the following noted exceptions:

1.) All of the vacation episodes both the “Grand Canyon” Episodes from Season 3 and the “Hawaii” episodes from Season 4 are missing the fill in squares on the DVD. However, these squares are included on TV Land’s and syndicated prints of the show.

2.) The Hawaii episode “Pass the Taboo” is missing about 15-20 seconds.

3.) The fill in squares are also missing from the Season 4 episode of “Love and the Older Man”, but are included on TV Land and Syndicated prints.

4.) "The Teeter Totter Caper" episode from Season 3 is 30 seconds shorter at about 24:30 when almost all of the other episodes come in between 25-26 minutes.

5.) “Greg Gets Grounded” from Season 4 on the DVD combines the final scene before the tag sequence and blends it in rather than going to a “fade to black” before the tag scene. (No fill-in squares) Furthermore, this episode comes in at about 24:50.

Jack

PS. However, AFAIK, ONLY "Pass the Tabu" is missing any dialogue on the DVD's. "Greg Gets Grounded" and "Love and The Older Man" are only shortened because of the lack of fill-in squares. "The Teeter-Totter Caper" has the squares intact, but comes in 30 seconds shorter. But there have been no reports of missing dialogue in this episode. The episode, and all other series programing, may have been slightly time-compressed by the network back on its original airdate, December 31, 1971 (New Years Eve.) to compensate for dropping the ball from Times Square.

[BuddyHinton]

Yeah, I suppose it's a matter of quality editing. It seems like the Bradys got the star treatment then. I Love Lucy being the WORST I have ever seen! In I Love Lucy on TV a scene will often start with laughter! Meaning of course an entire joke or scene has been removed!! Were the tags removed from the Bradys? Because many of these seem familiar to me but it was always my understanding that the tags were the first thing to go.

[TV Guy]

The tags have pretty much been left intact during the various edits of TBB over the years. Footage was cut from the main portion of the episode.

One reason you may not notice a whole lot of "new" material is that various edits of each TBB episode have been done over the years. Scenes that were cut for the first syndication cycle in the 70s were restored later, while other scenes were deleted. So there may be scenes that you haven't seen in a while, but that you definitely have seen over the past twenty years.

Also, "I Love Lucy" originally ran for 26-27 minutes in the 1950s, so it lost over 5 minutes to edits in syndication. But TBB only ran about 24 minutes in its original network run in the 1970s, so it has lost fewer minutes to syndication edits.

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by TV Guy

The tags have pretty much been left intact during the various edits of TBB over the years. Footage was cut from the main portion of the episode.

One reason you may not notice a whole lot of "new" material is that various edits of each TBB episode have been done over the years. Scenes that were cut for the first syndication cycle in the 70s were restored later, while other scenes were deleted. So there may be scenes that you haven't seen in a while, but that you definitely have seen over the past twenty years.

Also, "I Love Lucy" originally ran for 26-27 minutes in the 1950s, so it lost over 5 minutes to edits in syndication. But TBB only ran about 24 minutes in its original network run in the 1970s, so it has lost fewer minutes to syndication edits.

The other interesting thing to add to what TV Guy said, was that on uncut Brady Bunch episodes, Season 3 on average, appears to be a minute longer on most episodes than the others, as some Season 3 come in just over 26 minutes compared to the rest of the seasons, who's episodes come in between 24:50-25:20.

[BuddyHinton]

Interesting stuff guys, thanks!

[Jack1000]

Originally Posted by BuddyHinton

Interesting stuff guys, thanks!

Your welcome Buddy! Do you have any of the DVD's yet?

How's your loose tooth? Have you returned Cindy's tounge twister book yet?

hahahaha!

Seriously, glad to be of help!

Jack

[FredScuttle]

I saw something interesting on WWME-23 in Chicago today. On the episode "Our Son The Man", it had the "Brady Bunch in color" card before the beginning. In all the years I've watched this show in syndication, I don't think I've *EVER* seen that. I know they have it on the DVD's (at least the first season). I used to think that channel showed syndicated edits, but now I'm not so sure. Another show I've taped a few times (and cut out the commercials while I was taping) came in at 25 minutes, which was probably it's original running time.

[kooky12]

I also noticed the "Brady Bunch in color" card on episodes on Google on-demand video.

[Jack1000]

Yea,

The approximately 7 second bumpers were on Season 1 and Season 2 of The Brady Bunch's original airings and restored for the DVDs. They remained for the first early to mid 1975 syndicated cycle, but after that were removed and had not been seen since the DVD restoration. (With the exception of what you posted above.) How about the other episodes on that Chicago station? Are they coming in at about 25 minutes without commercials?

Jack