Bizarre Murders Thoughts

[James T]

I have just watched this set and thoroughly enjoyed it, I will probably get the Ghost one next- certainly some of the cases are just downright bizarre while some seem to be pretty clear what probably happened


Cindy James- Everything seems to point to her being responsible for the strange events going on, nobody else ever saw anyone attack her and there were never any signs of forced entry so the only evidence is the man seen hanging around a few times but he may well have been a burglar or a prowler who had a sexual motive or possibly even somebody she paid to make sure he got noticed to add more weight to her story

Camilla Lyman- The obvious suspect had control of her financial affairs, blocked any search of the grounds and on the commentary it was stated he admitted blowing her money so why was he not charged?

Ira Einhorn- No mystery here only why he was so popular, why the woman was dumb enough to visit him especially alone and why he was given bail

Skull Duggery- Everything seems to point to the partner who sounds like a real piece of work

Backyard Bones- How on earth did the police work out there were so many victims when it was just Monika Rizzo? this was 1997 not 1987 when DNA was still in it's infancy, I think the son must have seen his mum's black eye and the wall with blood on it and seen his dad digging and called the cops- it was no surprise to learn the husband ended up in prison

World Leaders- Interesting but just seems totally out of place

Burning Bed- The poor girl had no idea how her actions were percieved and picked the wrong guy

Friends To The End- If they were murdered they must have known the culprit as they were armed and there was no sign of violence so they must have been smoking joints with him and perhaps he slipped something like GHB into a drink

Burned Evidence- How did this policeman get away with ordering evidence being burned? Here in England he would have been sacked- I got the feeling more than one of these three could have been involved in it together

Two Mary Murders- Most of the evidence points to the husband although the way her co-worker was portrayed was somewhat sinister

Bordello Murders- It sounds like the police were in up to their necks- why were people allowed to mill around a homicide scene? why did the two officers resign?

Dakota's Double Death- This was the weirdest of them all- why would her friends abandon her and not call for help? it did not seem like they were abducted at gunpoint and nothing else makes sense, I doubt this one will ever be solved

Zodiac/Unabomber- This theory seems to have a lot of coincidinces but no real evidence- why would a man who got off on terrorising people up close and from the book I read on this case I seem to remember him assaulting the woman in the woods sexually all of a sudden start planting bombs and trying not to be seen?

Interns- What is wrong with the police? they make no connections to two and possibly three interns all from the same area and two of them working in the same building being found dead?

Bryan Nisenfeld- This was just strange- after the foot was found it was kind of glossed over but how could the police conclude he took his own life if his foot was found on a beach? surely that would indicate he may have been murdered there unless he hacked his own foot off and vanished which is not very likely?

[RightOnDude]

BURNED EVIDENCE -- this is Eric Tamiyasu, right? Oh man this case bugs me to no end. I think it's possible the cop and Eric's "friend" were both in-cahoots somehow. I mean, the "friend" telling Eric's sister: "and there are NO EXIT WOUNDS!!" WTF is that?? Who in the world, even someone as socially inept as this geek, would say such a thing upon discovering a friend's body.

And the Sherrif, burning the bed because, "THE FAMILY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT?!??!" Not even Barney Fife would pull a stunt like that! And Eric just happened to be "rumored" to be getting it on with the Sherrif's half Philipino wife...doh!

I can't believe neither of these morons has slipped up to this date and been caught. I know that area is full of smart software engineers and all, so it's hard to believe such ineptness exists around there.

[UMLongtimefan]

Originally Posted by James T

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Ira Einhorn- No mystery here only why he was so popular, why the woman was dumb enough to visit him especially alone and why he was given bail

Friends To The End- If they were murdered they must have known the culprit as they were armed and there was no sign of violence so they must have been smoking joints with him and perhaps he slipped something like GHB into a drink

Burned Evidence- How did this policeman get away with ordering evidence being burned? Here in England he would have been sacked- I got the feeling more than one of these three could have been involved in it together

Two Mary Murders- Most of the evidence points to the husband although the way her co-worker was portrayed was somewhat sinister

Zodiac/Unabomber- This theory seems to have a lot of coincidinces but no real evidence- why would a man who got off on terrorising people up close and from the book I read on this case I seem to remember him assaulting the woman in the woods sexually all of a sudden start planting bombs and trying not to be seen?

Interns- What is wrong with the police? they make no connections to two and possibly three interns all from the same area and two of them working in the same building being found dead?

Hi James! just wanted to comment with you...

Einhorn (The Unicorn) was one of the first Earthday Organizers and had some pretty powerful friends, I thought the girl was his live-in and his attorney is now a US Senator who gave his personal assurance Einhorn would appear (oops). I know that doesn't answer the questions but Einhorn's in jail now... still aside from how he tried to hide the body I didn't think this one was that bizarre either...

Friends to the End and Burned Evidence creep me out to this day, FTTE was one of the first stories I remember seeing and it had me totally hooked on the show. I think you might be on to something maybe the kids did bump into camo man and he gave them or did something to them much more powerful.. still wouldn't it show up on the drug tests? Either that or they came across drug runners. Burned Evidence, man I hate that one for the knocking at the door thing very bizarre.


I agree with you on Two Marys I think the husband hired somebody, and they screwed up.. the co-worker seems to be a stretch who said she was that scared of him the friend and the husband.... hmmmmmm

I think you are also right on Zodiac/Unibomber, both deserved to be in the collection but seperately!, I don't think there is much in common either... no way a bomber (very passive non-direct personalitly trait) is a brutal sadistic killer.

Interns- hmm something screams coffee shop here.. (wasn't there also a multiple homicide in that coffee shop in DC that was profiled on UM or AMW- Was that the same or different coffee shop?) but then again given their past (especially this last week ) I wouldn't call the DC police especially competent.

[DarkDante]

Ira Einhorn WAS NOT, I repeat was not one of the founders of earth day. As someone who has kept up over the years with researching sixties counter-culture, it should be noted that Einhorn used the holiday as a means to boost his own profile but was not a founder of that event.

You can look here for more information: http://www.amgot.org/einhorn/eday.htm

[Kane]

Camilla Lyman- The obvious suspect had control of her financial affairs, blocked any search of the grounds and on the commentary it was stated he admitted blowing her money so why was he not charged?

Because the facts you pointed out, while suspicious, are not enough to have the suspect arrested and charged.

[James T]

Originally Posted by UMLongtimefan

Hi James! just wanted to comment with you...

Friends to the End and Burned Evidence creep me out to this day, FTTE was one of the first stories I remember seeing and it had me totally hooked on the show. I think you might be on to something maybe the kids did bump into camo man and he gave them or did something to them much more powerful.. still wouldn't it show up on the drug tests? Either that or they came across drug runners. Burned Evidence, man I hate that one for the knocking at the door thing very bizarre.


Interns- hmm something screams coffee shop here.. (wasn't there also a multiple homicide in that coffee shop in DC that was profiled on UM or AMW- Was that the same or different coffee shop?) but then again given their past (especially this last week ) I wouldn't call the DC police especially competent.

As the Friends To The End took place in 1987 I suppose it is possible that if it was foul play the killer used a drug that was undetectable by the testing standards of the time, certainly if they had stumbled on something then there would have been a struggle and there would have been marks on them, so the only scenarios that seem likely is they either smoked too much pot and were either on the line and passed out or were put there by this mysterious figure after they passed out or that they must have known the person or persons, as for the Interns we don't get AMW in England and UM was shown here from 1988 to about 1995 before Sky lost interest and only showed old repeats before dropping it altogether so this was the first time I had seen most of these cases including this one but it does make you wonder if these two who worked not just in the same building but offices virtually on top of each other saw something they should not have or if the killer worked in the building- you would hope they would have checked to see which men have left since the last attack and check if their behaviour towards female employees was strange etc

[James T]

Originally Posted by Kane

Because the facts you pointed out, while suspicious, are not enough to have the suspect arrested and charged.

I am not so sure, he had motive as he had already gained control of her financial affairs, he certainly had the means and he was the last one to talk to her by his own admission and as she was so isolated and relied on him he had opportunity, he refused to let anybody search the land which surely any person who was interested in helping the authorities and finding somebody close to them would do and the commentary said he admitted spending her money, the only thing missing is his prints on her remains but I would have thought all of that was more than enough to bring him to trial

[James T]

Originally Posted by DarkDante

Ira Einhorn WAS NOT, I repeat was not one of the founders of earth day. As someone who has kept up over the years with researching sixties counter-culture, it should be noted that Einhorn used the holiday as a means to boost his own profile but was not a founder of that event.

You can look here for more information: http://www.amgot.org/einhorn/eday.htm

Yes he came across as a fraud, but what puzzles me is usually people like him use their charm or looks to fool people, this guy had the charm of a rattlesnake, was ugly, overweight and had poor hygeine so it seems the only thing going for him was his change the world routine which this young lady got sick of eventually- it just amazed me that she would go back alone just to pick up some clothes or was there more to it?

[Kane]

Originally Posted by James T

I am not so sure, he had motive as he had already gained control of her financial affairs, he certainly had the means and he was the last one to talk to her by his own admission and as she was so isolated and relied on him he had opportunity, he refused to let anybody search the land which surely any person who was interested in helping the authorities and finding somebody close to them would do and the commentary said he admitted spending her money, the only thing missing is his prints on her remains but I would have thought all of that was more than enough to bring him to trial

Well, in theory, they could arrest him with that evidence. The man's reluctance to let anyone search the area isn't proof of guilt, but it certainly implies that something is amiss.

However, the evidence in this case is mostly circumstantial, so the risk of a good lawyer creating enough reasonable doubt to secure an acquittal is high. So in order to reduce that risk, there is little the cops can do, except wait and hope that additional evidence will surface.

[UMLongtimefan]

Originally Posted by DarkDante

Ira Einhorn WAS NOT, I repeat was not one of the founders of earth day. As someone who has kept up over the years with researching sixties counter-culture, it should be noted that Einhorn used the holiday as a means to boost his own profile but was not a founder of that event.

You can look here for more information: http://www.amgot.org/einhorn/eday.htm

Thank you Dante,

The Correction is duly noted for the record! Any association of Earth Day and Einhorn was probably made by Einhorn himself and we'll consider the source before we believe that one again!

[greatgarrett2]

Originally Posted by Bokey

the only one who claimed eric said that was imo the most probable killer: One Donald Q. Dixon.

Dixon was the only one who cast suspicion on eric's partner and the sherrif.

the matress may have been soaked in blood, not the small amount UM showed. but he still shouldnt havent burned it. chief wiggum maybe.

not to mention dixon found the body, and told the sister minutes later that "there were no exit wounds"

dixon clearly killed tamiyasu

The thing that always got me the most about that case was that of the officer ordering Dixon to burn the bed.

What was the motive behind that?
Besides what he stated?
Could the Polynesian love triangle be true?

I don't think it was Eric Smith who pulled the trigger, if anybody, just by the circumstances of Smith's relations with Tamiyasu. It seems Smith was his best friend.

Very strange case, indeed. Three suspects.

[crystaldawn]

Yes James T I never saw the appeal of Ira Einhorn....yuck!

Concerning Eric Tamiyasu I think the dark headed guy who was Eric's friend interviewed in the segment killed him. I'm not sure what the motive would be but the guy kinda came across as a weirdo IMO. I think the police chief was probably just inept and made a bad decision about the mattress. They never really had much evidence that said Eric was involved with his wife just said (if I remember correctly) there were rumors that Eric was dating a Polynesian woman and the sheriff's wife was of that origin. In fact the lady that was with Eric the night he was killed was there on a date so that makes the whole rumor of Eric dating a Polynesian woman somewhat skeptical in my opinion.