Reasons for EXTREME HATRED of WGC - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

kismet · 04-26-2006, 09:48 AM

Maybe we should vent our frustrations.

Reason 1:

I hated the fact Demi Moore was on the show. Maybe we should have resurrected Elvis and brought him on.
Or Timothy Bottoms, or Jeff Bridges, or Don Johnson, or Gregory Harrison etc.
We could have as many men from Cybill's past that could fit in an elevator, and Cybill of course in the elevator with them. Now THAT would make an interesting episode.

Come to think of it, I think I should call Cybill about my elevator idea. It would make a great reality show.

CyBr · 04-26-2006, 10:16 AM

Great thread! Can I only give one reason? Ugh, where to start?

How about that sickening tour David and A**** took around L.A.

(If we're allowed more than one, I'll be back to this thread for sure! I could write a book!

)

dihop · 04-26-2006, 10:18 AM

Oh man...I could go on for pages.......

This is the episode where I really think the writers went crazy. It was as if David and Maddie became two different people. They had always bantered and argued, but there was no background for them turning as vicious as they were starting in this episode.

David says the meanest thing he has ever said to Maddie....."Get out of my bed."

It made no sense......and wounded me, as it did most of the loyal viewers of the time.

I have MUCH more, but I will give somebody else a chance.

kismet · 04-26-2006, 10:39 AM

Vent away. Don't limit yourselves to just one reason. There are dozens at least!

Betrayal by David - simply the worst!!!!!!!!

dihop · 04-26-2006, 11:15 AM

Betrayal by Annie......

Laughing with David about Maddie's habits.......Getting involved with David when she knew their history.

Grrrrrrrrr.....

Ro35 · 04-26-2006, 11:28 AM

God don't get me started on this episode either. UGH! It's like you try to avoid watching it like you avoid the plague. Diane you are so right about the scene in David's apt. when he says "Get Out OF My Bed to Maddie". God i hate it so much. Yes David betrayed her and Annie betrayed her. She was so childish when she was making fun of Maddie's house and the order in which she had a her magazines layed out. I wanted to kick her and then David thinks it is funny. I want to scream LOL Ok need to calm down LOL

laura a · 04-26-2006, 11:29 AM

Now you`ve started something !! Where do i begin, how long have you got!.For starters the reasons i really dislike(note i can`t say `hate`about any Moonlighting episode)When Girls...Now to quote David Addison-"don`t take this the wrong way but" i didn`t like the fact also that Demi was allowed a walk on part (however brief) what if Cybill had ask to do something like that ,would the powers that be have been so eager to please? in fact they would probably have said she was trying to take control!!!
Right now on to the actual plot line , in my mind the way the whole episode starts gets me puzzled , what happened to all that attraction and caring for each other that up to then had been there ( even though they had probably not slept together since she had went off and come back from Chicago)but at least they were still flirting and sorta dating.
But here it all went icy cold , there was no passion at all , no emotion what so ever. I`d rather have had them screaming at one another than this ,at least there was passion. About that scene at the end when Maddie lying on Davids bed , i too think that line is really spiteful . I mean there`s Maddie for once trying to be open and honest and explain to David what she is thinking and feeling but he is just so detached and uncaring to Maddie about how her in all of this. ( It couldn`t have been that long ago since she had lost the baby ` their baby`as well ) Fair enough if it was truly over between them we wouldn`t expect either of them to stay celibate but it shouldn`t have been with another member of her family!.
Now maybe -just maybe! i could have tolerated Annie as a brief fling if only David hadn`t been so cold towards Maddie at the same time.- What were the writers thinking?-To me it felt as though all hope had been lost in restoring David and Maddies relationship, and i thought that the show was supposed to be based around that very same relationship. So to me -no relationship meant -no show
Another scene that really infuriates me is the scene between David and A***e in the BMW up on the hill, i think iv`e said this before but i`ll say it again - HOW COULD THEY! Bad David how could he use the beemer , the car that belongs to Maddie. The car that he and Maddie had made out in not so long ago, the place where they had all their arguements , the place where they made up afterwards. and to top it all David was hitting on Maddies cousin while she was at home asleep in bed unaware of it all!
I think i`d better finish for now , my bloods starting to boil!

Yeah i know it`s only a television show but...)
Wow i`ve wrote quite alot , didn`t mean to go on like i have .
Over to someone else now

kismet · 04-26-2006, 11:34 AM

"David says the meanest thing he has ever said to Maddie....."Get out of my bed.""

That particular scene is still so painful to me that I have not watched it since 1989.

Maddie with Sam - she was torn and we all knew it.
David with Annie - we did not see anything in David that would make us feel that he was torn about his feelings - it seemed that he did not care at all - why was he so callous? Why would the writers think that we would want to see David behaving like that?

In Eine Kleine, fans did get to see some feelings for Maddie, but not enough of course (scene in her house as it is being destroyed).

WGC is one of the most hated things I can think of in my life. I would never put that episode on - NEVER.
I do watch In 'n Outlaws -- one particular section of course

.
I can watch a few scenes in Eine Kleine.

Most of Lunar Eclipse is just farcical crap - I have watched the final montage on a couple of occasions.

The only scene in WGC that I can tolerate is the dance scene between David and Maddie because she uses some great hip action in that one.

kismet · 04-26-2006, 11:40 AM

Okay, Laura -- I'll say it.

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE "WGC".

laura a · 04-26-2006, 11:54 AM

Thanks Kismet : and i know which particular scene from In `n` Outlaws your`e referring to because thats my favourite too

In-fact iv`e just been watching some of my favourite scenes/clips from all 5 seasons this afternoon while the kids were at school and i always like to watch and watch and re watch that couch scene too . HOT STUFF!!!! Every time i watch that scene it makes me think of the two of them on the La-zee-boy and what it might have been like.

CyBr · 04-26-2006, 12:00 PM

Ok, I'm back. Here goes! I agree with everything everyone has said. A few things REALLY bugged me. I agree with Kismet about Demi. It just shattered what was left of David and Maddie to me. Bruce and Demi literally "collided" with David and Maddie. The opening scene (I think, it's been a looong time) with Maddie and her psychiatrist was silly. It could have been a good scene with Maddie finally coming to terms with David but the writers blew it. Next, Maddie having liquid lunch? I don't think so. Also, in this episode Maddie starts calling David names like "lethal." This is the same guy she admitted she still loved towards the end of Season 4! What happened? Neither of them acted like themselves. I especially hated the way David treated Maddie though. She was finally trying to talk to him, and he just blew her off completely. Even knowing that Annie was married didn't phase him. Last thing - Does anyone know what Maddie and David are yelling at each other at Hot Tub Heaven? This is probably the only overlapping dialogue in the whole series that I can't understand each of them. (It was hard, but I watched that part many times trying to get it. Even the editing of this episode is bad!

)

kismet · 04-26-2006, 12:12 PM

"Last thing - Does anyone know what Maddie and David are yelling at each other at Hot Tub Heaven? This is probably the only overlapping dialogue in the whole series that I can't understand each of them. (It was hard, but I watched that part many times trying to get it. Even the editing of this episode is bad! )"

Do you mean the scene when Maddie and Agnes bring Chinese food to the stakeout? If you are referring to the part of the scene when they are fighting like mad, that overlapping dialogue has always bothered me. It seems that there are some juicy things said but I could never make it out.
P.S. That scene when David shakes his body when Maddie is on top of him makes me feel good.
I hope I have the correct scene in my head.

CyBr · 04-26-2006, 12:18 PM

That's the scene! When Maddie walks out Agnes and the chinese food and David chases her and they're yelling, it does sound juicy!! I think David says something like, "but I guess that was different!" Was he referring to when Maddie was with Sam? Or Walter? I'd LOVE to know!!

kismet · 04-26-2006, 12:24 PM

Ooooh CyBr - I agree that the psychiatrist scene is really a bit strange.
What Maddie says about David (sexually) sounds like something Cybill would actually say.

The fact that Maddie is seeing a psychiatrist to sort through her feelings for David is OK - it's what she says that is not like Maddie at all.

Oh ML writers - did you notice that Maddie had feelings for David at the beginning of the episode?!

kismet · 04-26-2006, 12:42 PM

You know what else I didn't like? The way David dressed when he was with A***e. Maddie still looked the same but David was dressed cool and casual. I resented it!

04-26-2006, 09:48 AM	#1
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	Reasons for EXTREME HATRED of WGC Maybe we should vent our frustrations. Reason 1: I hated the fact Demi Moore was on the show. Maybe we should have resurrected Elvis and brought him on. Or Timothy Bottoms, or Jeff Bridges, or Don Johnson, or Gregory Harrison etc. We could have as many men from Cybill's past that could fit in an elevator, and Cybill of course in the elevator with them. Now THAT would make an interesting episode. Come to think of it, I think I should call Cybill about my elevator idea. It would make a great reality show.
	__________________ "....being crazy 'bout a woman like HER is ALWAYS the right thing to do." -- TLPS "The only thing new under the sun is the truth you don't know." -- BW "What a babe. What a dish!" -- BW re CS

04-26-2006, 11:28 AM	#6
Ro35 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 188	God don't get me started on this episode either. UGH! It's like you try to avoid watching it like you avoid the plague. Diane you are so right about the scene in David's apt. when he says "Get Out OF My Bed to Maddie". God i hate it so much. Yes David betrayed her and Annie betrayed her. She was so childish when she was making fun of Maddie's house and the order in which she had a her magazines layed out. I wanted to kick her and then David thinks it is funny. I want to scream LOL Ok need to calm down LOL
	__________________ ~ROSE~ Maddie : I wouldn't want you losing any more sleep over me. David : Believe me, if and when I ever find myself over you, the last thing I'll be thinking about is sleeping.

04-26-2006, 11:29 AM	#7
laura a moonlighting maniac! Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 30, 2005 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 376	Now you`ve started something !! Where do i begin, how long have you got!.For starters the reasons i really dislike(note i can`t say `hate`about any Moonlighting episode)When Girls...Now to quote David Addison-"don`t take this the wrong way but" i didn`t like the fact also that Demi was allowed a walk on part (however brief) what if Cybill had ask to do something like that ,would the powers that be have been so eager to please? in fact they would probably have said she was trying to take control!!! Right now on to the actual plot line , in my mind the way the whole episode starts gets me puzzled , what happened to all that attraction and caring for each other that up to then had been there ( even though they had probably not slept together since she had went off and come back from Chicago)but at least they were still flirting and sorta dating. But here it all went icy cold , there was no passion at all , no emotion what so ever. I`d rather have had them screaming at one another than this ,at least there was passion. About that scene at the end when Maddie lying on Davids bed , i too think that line is really spiteful . I mean there`s Maddie for once trying to be open and honest and explain to David what she is thinking and feeling but he is just so detached and uncaring to Maddie about how her in all of this. ( It couldn`t have been that long ago since she had lost the baby ` their baby`as well ) Fair enough if it was truly over between them we wouldn`t expect either of them to stay celibate but it shouldn`t have been with another member of her family!. Now maybe -just maybe! i could have tolerated Annie as a brief fling if only David hadn`t been so cold towards Maddie at the same time.- What were the writers thinking?-To me it felt as though all hope had been lost in restoring David and Maddies relationship, and i thought that the show was supposed to be based around that very same relationship. So to me -no relationship meant -no show Another scene that really infuriates me is the scene between David and A***e in the BMW up on the hill, i think iv`e said this before but i`ll say it again - HOW COULD THEY! Bad David how could he use the beemer , the car that belongs to Maddie. The car that he and Maddie had made out in not so long ago, the place where they had all their arguements , the place where they made up afterwards. and to top it all David was hitting on Maddies cousin while she was at home asleep in bed unaware of it all! I think i`d better finish for now , my bloods starting to boil! Yeah i know it`s only a television show but...) Wow i`ve wrote quite alot , didn`t mean to go on like i have . Over to someone else now
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04-26-2006, 10:16 AM	#2
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	Great thread! Can I only give one reason? Ugh, where to start? How about that sickening tour David and A**** took around L.A. (If we're allowed more than one, I'll be back to this thread for sure! I could write a book! )

04-26-2006, 10:18 AM	#3
dihop Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 02, 2002 Posts: 128	Oh man...I could go on for pages....... This is the episode where I really think the writers went crazy. It was as if David and Maddie became two different people. They had always bantered and argued, but there was no background for them turning as vicious as they were starting in this episode. David says the meanest thing he has ever said to Maddie....."Get out of my bed." It made no sense......and wounded me, as it did most of the loyal viewers of the time. I have MUCH more, but I will give somebody else a chance.

04-26-2006, 10:39 AM	#4
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	Vent away. Don't limit yourselves to just one reason. There are dozens at least! Betrayal by David - simply the worst!!!!!!!!

04-26-2006, 11:15 AM	#5
dihop Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 02, 2002 Posts: 128	Betrayal by Annie...... Laughing with David about Maddie's habits.......Getting involved with David when she knew their history. Grrrrrrrrr.....

04-26-2006, 11:34 AM	#8
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	"David says the meanest thing he has ever said to Maddie....."Get out of my bed."" That particular scene is still so painful to me that I have not watched it since 1989. Maddie with Sam - she was torn and we all knew it. David with Annie - we did not see anything in David that would make us feel that he was torn about his feelings - it seemed that he did not care at all - why was he so callous? Why would the writers think that we would want to see David behaving like that? In Eine Kleine, fans did get to see some feelings for Maddie, but not enough of course (scene in her house as it is being destroyed). WGC is one of the most hated things I can think of in my life. I would never put that episode on - NEVER. I do watch In 'n Outlaws -- one particular section of course . I can watch a few scenes in Eine Kleine. Most of Lunar Eclipse is just farcical crap - I have watched the final montage on a couple of occasions. The only scene in WGC that I can tolerate is the dance scene between David and Maddie because she uses some great hip action in that one.

04-26-2006, 11:40 AM	#9
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	Okay, Laura -- I'll say it. I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE "WGC".

04-26-2006, 11:54 AM	#10
laura a moonlighting maniac! Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 30, 2005 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 376	Thanks Kismet : and i know which particular scene from In `n` Outlaws your`e referring to because thats my favourite too In-fact iv`e just been watching some of my favourite scenes/clips from all 5 seasons this afternoon while the kids were at school and i always like to watch and watch and re watch that couch scene too . HOT STUFF!!!! Every time i watch that scene it makes me think of the two of them on the La-zee-boy and what it might have been like.

04-26-2006, 12:00 PM	#11
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	Ok, I'm back. Here goes! I agree with everything everyone has said. A few things REALLY bugged me. I agree with Kismet about Demi. It just shattered what was left of David and Maddie to me. Bruce and Demi literally "collided" with David and Maddie. The opening scene (I think, it's been a looong time) with Maddie and her psychiatrist was silly. It could have been a good scene with Maddie finally coming to terms with David but the writers blew it. Next, Maddie having liquid lunch? I don't think so. Also, in this episode Maddie starts calling David names like "lethal." This is the same guy she admitted she still loved towards the end of Season 4! What happened? Neither of them acted like themselves. I especially hated the way David treated Maddie though. She was finally trying to talk to him, and he just blew her off completely. Even knowing that Annie was married didn't phase him. Last thing - Does anyone know what Maddie and David are yelling at each other at Hot Tub Heaven? This is probably the only overlapping dialogue in the whole series that I can't understand each of them. (It was hard, but I watched that part many times trying to get it. Even the editing of this episode is bad! )

04-26-2006, 12:12 PM	#12
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	"Last thing - Does anyone know what Maddie and David are yelling at each other at Hot Tub Heaven? This is probably the only overlapping dialogue in the whole series that I can't understand each of them. (It was hard, but I watched that part many times trying to get it. Even the editing of this episode is bad! )" Do you mean the scene when Maddie and Agnes bring Chinese food to the stakeout? If you are referring to the part of the scene when they are fighting like mad, that overlapping dialogue has always bothered me. It seems that there are some juicy things said but I could never make it out. P.S. That scene when David shakes his body when Maddie is on top of him makes me feel good. I hope I have the correct scene in my head.

04-26-2006, 12:18 PM	#13
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	That's the scene! When Maddie walks out Agnes and the chinese food and David chases her and they're yelling, it does sound juicy!! I think David says something like, "but I guess that was different!" Was he referring to when Maddie was with Sam? Or Walter? I'd LOVE to know!!

04-26-2006, 12:24 PM	#14
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	Ooooh CyBr - I agree that the psychiatrist scene is really a bit strange. What Maddie says about David (sexually) sounds like something Cybill would actually say. The fact that Maddie is seeing a psychiatrist to sort through her feelings for David is OK - it's what she says that is not like Maddie at all. Oh ML writers - did you notice that Maddie had feelings for David at the beginning of the episode?!

04-26-2006, 12:42 PM	#15
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	You know what else I didn't like? The way David dressed when he was with A***e. Maddie still looked the same but David was dressed cool and casual. I resented it!