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Bleedingheart · 03-26-2006, 10:18 AM

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6865/dt.html

I found this a few months ago any ideas or anyone wanna talk about this case?

Mercury1 · 03-26-2006, 01:21 PM

I do remember this when it was aired on UM. LE seemed to feel that someone who had been in prison was involved - I think because of the way they were bound. The perpetrator had discarded some gloves and things - he was very careful not to leave fingerprints. Also, for several years the family members would receive letters from the alleged perpetrator taunting them about the crimes. I remember one of the phrases contained in this letter was: "Hallelujah Bloody Jesus."

Dislimb · 03-26-2006, 03:06 PM

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"Hallelujah Bloody Jesus."

I remember this now, too. Didn't the letter writer have very bad spelling and punctuation skills as well?

synthisislab · 03-28-2006, 12:06 AM

Wow, I used to have that book "Murderers Among Us" when it came out and loved it. I have had that case (of the murdered couple) in the back of my mind and couldn't remember what book it was from. Now I need to get that book again. For those of you that like the Unexplained Death segments on Unsolved Mysteries, this book is a must read. I highly recommend it. Thank you for posting that, it brought me back. I also remember seeing that segment on UM as well.

Kane · 03-28-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by synthisislab

Wow, I used to have that book "Murderers Among Us" when it came out and loved it. I have had that case (of the murdered couple) in the back of my mind and couldn't remember what book it was from.

I remember coming across that book in my local library. It was over a decade ago, but I haven't forgotten that it included the murders of Tanya and Jay.

In recent years, serial killer Robert Yates has been considered a suspect in their murders, but there has never been any hard evidence to link him to the case.

crystaldawn · 03-29-2006, 10:04 AM

synthislab check out Amazon for "Murderers Among Us". I got it there for like $1 plus shipping several months ago.

I heard from someone on the other board that Charles Sinclair was also a suspect in Jay and Tonya's case. He was dubbed the "Coin Shop Killer" because he usually targeted employees and customers at coin shops. Anyone else heard this theory? Sinclair did die in prison several years ago.

synthisislab · 03-29-2006, 06:26 PM

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

crystaldawn · 03-29-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by synthisislab

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

I assume you mean the picture on the front of the girl with short black hair and what appears to be bright lipstick. Her name is Christina Gill. I haven't read the story in a while but her and Ashley Reed are missing and presumed dead and police believe it could be the same killer. They were from the Dallas area. Hope this helps!

kadrmas15 · 06-14-2006, 06:21 PM

Hey, sorry for bringing ths back. I am assumed there was a thread on it on here but I had to go back a ways. Yes, as CrystalDawn said, Charles Sinclair is actually a major suspect in this. Yates was thought to have maybe been involved but supposedly he was in Spokane at the time of the murders. As far as I know Sinclair had never done time in prison. Sinclair had a basic education, high school graduate. Sinclair was also a Navy veteran that served in Vietnam. It is thought Sinclair didnt start killing until he was in his early 30's but when he did he got addicted to it it looks like. If I remember right, Sinclair was thought of killing no fewer than 10 people in Washington State, Oregon and California from 1980 to 1989. Sinclair is also thought to be a possible suspect in murders in Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and New York on the east coast.

kadrmas15 · 06-14-2006, 06:35 PM

Sinclair is a suspect in the murders of coin shop owners as noted earlier. Sinclair was known because he would usually kill a dealer with a single shot to the head in the same spot. Sinclair was known to have murdered a California coin dealer in 1980 because he had his watch which was very unique. Sinclair was also thought to have murdered an Oregon coin dealer in 1981 or 1982 and he was also thought to have murdered an elderly couple from California that was traveling in Washington State in 1986. The elderly couple disapperead and their bodies were never found. Their truck was found abandoned at Sea-Tac International Airport in Seattle in July of 1986. Sinclair was found to be in possession of their credit cards and he had used them in the town where he lived to buy gasoline, movies, and a clarinet for his daughter. Sinclair was also the only known suspect in the 1987 murder of Jay and Tanya. Their van was abandoned at a bus depot in Bellingham if I remember right. It was obvious that the murder of Tanya was much more personal. The cops said that it appeared Jay was murdered more just to get him out of the way. Sinclair was known to kill people if he needed money or just needed to rape someone. The last murder that Sinclair was thought to have committed was that of an 18 year old college freshman in November of 1989. This girl went out jogging the day before thanksgiving and disappeared. Her body was found a couple of days after thanksgiving in the river. She had been raped and strangled. The item used to strangle her was part of a bedsheet. The remaining part of the bed sheet was found in a Shed on Sinclair's property when a search warrant was executed on the shed in April of 1990. It was not to long after this that Sinclair went on the run. In addition to the bed sheet a year book that belonged to Sinclair's son was found in a barrell along with other items belong to the murdered and missing people. The college girl and Sinclair's son had gone to high school together and had graduated in the class of 1989. This girl's picture and name were circled with black sharpie marker in the yearbook. Sinclair was found in Alaska in August of 1990 and was arrested. He was held in Alaska awaiting extradition to Washington State which he was fighitng extradition when he died of a massive heart attack in jail in October of 1990 at age 44.

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-15-2006, 05:42 PM

Anyone ever notice that this always seems to happen? A murder goes unsolved... there's a break in the case and they think they've found the person who did it... and the prime suspect dies.

I feel for the family in those siutations. It's like justice is so close... and then gone forever.

rhblackburn · 07-18-2006, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by synthisislab

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

i was very close friends in the Dallas goth scene with a murdered girl named Christina Gill. I haven't thought of her in years and did a Google search to find any current or resolved information about the case. I noticed your post on this and wondered about the book you mentioned there was a book about the cae with her picture on the cover ??? Anyway, my close friend Christina Gill (who I still have all of her letters) was murdered and she fit your description... goth, dallas, late 80's. If you have any links or info, I would apprecaite an email. rhblackburnii@hotmail.com

carlotta · 09-06-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rhblackburn

i was very close friends in the Dallas goth scene with a murdered girl named Christina Gill. I haven't thought of her in years and did a Google search to find any current or resolved information about the case. I noticed your post on this and wondered about the book you mentioned there was a book about the cae with her picture on the cover ??? Anyway, my close friend Christina Gill (who I still have all of her letters) was murdered and she fit your description... goth, dallas, late 80's. If you have any links or info, I would apprecaite an email. rhblackburnii@hotmail.com

... Re: Christina Gill from Dallas- I did not know her- lived in the apartment complex where they found her car. There were rumors that she dated a neighbor there, and more rumors concerning him - but he was never arrested as far as I know. I just ordered the book with her photo on the cover, as I have long wondered if anyone was ever implicated or charged in her murder. She was a young girl living much like I did in Dallas at the time - it could have happened to me. I hope one day her killer is caught. The only other posting I have ever seen about her is much like this one. It said her family was devastated and had spent over $100,000.00 searching for her. Dallas Morning News Archives shows maybe 7 articles you can buy, but I did not buy them, as none indicates any suspect was ever located.

Steve W. · 09-07-2011, 08:42 AM

I still think Charles Sinclair is probably the person that murdered Cook and Van Cuylenborg. He traveled all over the western part of the US throughout the '80's, so it appears that it wasn't very easy to keep track of him.

Does anyone know if he made any confessions while in prison (and obviously before he died of a heart attack)?

TheCars1986 · 09-07-2011, 02:45 PM

I think whoever murdered Jay and Tanya may also have had a hand in the deaths of Diana Robertson and Mike Riemer.

03-26-2006, 10:18 AM	#1
Bleedingheart Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 110	Who Murdered Tanya Van Cuylenborg And Jay Roland Cook? http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6865/dt.html I found this a few months ago any ideas or anyone wanna talk about this case?
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03-26-2006, 01:21 PM	#2
Mercury1 Member Forum Hawk Join Date: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 4	I do remember this when it was aired on UM. LE seemed to feel that someone who had been in prison was involved - I think because of the way they were bound. The perpetrator had discarded some gloves and things - he was very careful not to leave fingerprints. Also, for several years the family members would receive letters from the alleged perpetrator taunting them about the crimes. I remember one of the phrases contained in this letter was: "Hallelujah Bloody Jesus."

03-28-2006, 12:06 AM	#4
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Wow, I used to have that book "Murderers Among Us" when it came out and loved it. I have had that case (of the murdered couple) in the back of my mind and couldn't remember what book it was from. Now I need to get that book again. For those of you that like the Unexplained Death segments on Unsolved Mysteries, this book is a must read. I highly recommend it. Thank you for posting that, it brought me back. I also remember seeing that segment on UM as well.

03-29-2006, 10:04 AM	#6
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	synthislab check out Amazon for "Murderers Among Us". I got it there for like $1 plus shipping several months ago. I heard from someone on the other board that Charles Sinclair was also a suspect in Jay and Tonya's case. He was dubbed the "Coin Shop Killer" because he usually targeted employees and customers at coin shops. Anyone else heard this theory? Sinclair did die in prison several years ago.

03-29-2006, 06:26 PM	#7
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

06-14-2006, 06:21 PM	#9
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hey, sorry for bringing ths back. I am assumed there was a thread on it on here but I had to go back a ways. Yes, as CrystalDawn said, Charles Sinclair is actually a major suspect in this. Yates was thought to have maybe been involved but supposedly he was in Spokane at the time of the murders. As far as I know Sinclair had never done time in prison. Sinclair had a basic education, high school graduate. Sinclair was also a Navy veteran that served in Vietnam. It is thought Sinclair didnt start killing until he was in his early 30's but when he did he got addicted to it it looks like. If I remember right, Sinclair was thought of killing no fewer than 10 people in Washington State, Oregon and California from 1980 to 1989. Sinclair is also thought to be a possible suspect in murders in Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and New York on the east coast.

06-14-2006, 06:35 PM	#10
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Sinclair is a suspect in the murders of coin shop owners as noted earlier. Sinclair was known because he would usually kill a dealer with a single shot to the head in the same spot. Sinclair was known to have murdered a California coin dealer in 1980 because he had his watch which was very unique. Sinclair was also thought to have murdered an Oregon coin dealer in 1981 or 1982 and he was also thought to have murdered an elderly couple from California that was traveling in Washington State in 1986. The elderly couple disapperead and their bodies were never found. Their truck was found abandoned at Sea-Tac International Airport in Seattle in July of 1986. Sinclair was found to be in possession of their credit cards and he had used them in the town where he lived to buy gasoline, movies, and a clarinet for his daughter. Sinclair was also the only known suspect in the 1987 murder of Jay and Tanya. Their van was abandoned at a bus depot in Bellingham if I remember right. It was obvious that the murder of Tanya was much more personal. The cops said that it appeared Jay was murdered more just to get him out of the way. Sinclair was known to kill people if he needed money or just needed to rape someone. The last murder that Sinclair was thought to have committed was that of an 18 year old college freshman in November of 1989. This girl went out jogging the day before thanksgiving and disappeared. Her body was found a couple of days after thanksgiving in the river. She had been raped and strangled. The item used to strangle her was part of a bedsheet. The remaining part of the bed sheet was found in a Shed on Sinclair's property when a search warrant was executed on the shed in April of 1990. It was not to long after this that Sinclair went on the run. In addition to the bed sheet a year book that belonged to Sinclair's son was found in a barrell along with other items belong to the murdered and missing people. The college girl and Sinclair's son had gone to high school together and had graduated in the class of 1989. This girl's picture and name were circled with black sharpie marker in the yearbook. Sinclair was found in Alaska in August of 1990 and was arrested. He was held in Alaska awaiting extradition to Washington State which he was fighitng extradition when he died of a massive heart attack in jail in October of 1990 at age 44.

06-15-2006, 05:42 PM	#11
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Anyone ever notice that this always seems to happen? A murder goes unsolved... there's a break in the case and they think they've found the person who did it... and the prime suspect dies. I feel for the family in those siutations. It's like justice is so close... and then gone forever.

09-07-2011, 08:42 AM	#14
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	I still think Charles Sinclair is probably the person that murdered Cook and Van Cuylenborg. He traveled all over the western part of the US throughout the '80's, so it appears that it wasn't very easy to keep track of him. Does anyone know if he made any confessions while in prison (and obviously before he died of a heart attack)?

09-07-2011, 02:45 PM	#15
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,615	I think whoever murdered Jay and Tanya may also have had a hand in the deaths of Diana Robertson and Mike Riemer.