Trading Issues/Rules/Comments

[tdubel]

I have been quiet here lately as I am trying to wrap up a few trades and am just plain busy with life. HOWEVER< I find some of the stuff I am seeing incredulous and for the life of me do not understand. AND I want to put my opinions out here so that everyone knows what I think and where I am coming from if you want to trade with me. No surprises.

1. Reminder to all here, WE do not own any rights to any of these shows.

2. I am sick of reading about so and so having the master set. THAT IS CRAP, you do not "own" anything. Sharing tv shows is what this is supposed to be about, if a show is on your list and you are a trader, it is FAIR game in my opinion. I probably have as much or more shows than most here, if you come to me with a trade and I like it, more than likely we will trade for whatever I have available to trade.

3. Now, I do have a few shows I have obtained from some very good trading partners that have asked me not to "re trade" them and I have complied 99% of the time with their wishes.

4. Who cares what others sell, it is none of my business what they do.

Christ, I now know why I take a break from posting here, some of this stuff is ridiculous. I am a what you see is what you get type of person, no bs, no sugar coat, etc. If I agree to a trade, 99% of the time it has no conditions.

nuff said.

AND, on another topic, Most bad/slow trader issues can be worked out with 99% of the people here, I am a patient person, there are some on this board that need to become that way before posting rambling bad trader posts. As a matter of fact, I have 3 outstanding trades with 2 of what I will call "Gold" traders that have been going on for months, you don't see me posting "potshot" posts against them, do you???

[savageamusement]

Well said.

Many many times I have noticed traders become "territorial" over shows.

surely if you work hard on a show, you hope to get something special for it, perhaps even praise.
But the fact is if you are creating the set- you are doing so for a reason.
And if you trade it, its just like money spent.
What someone does with it after - shouldn't concern you- and if it does- don't trade it.

I also agree that most things can be worked out- if you are patient and courteous especially.

Well said, and good polices to have Mr. Dubel


SavageAmusement

[Lamont]

I understand the frustration of someone who authors a set and then sees it pop up on ioffer for $1 a disc in 2 weeks

BUT i also understand that is a risk of trading, and u have to live with it

most traders will try to show some level of respect
there are some "Unwritten Rules" that most people know, but some dont follow

1. DO NO PRE-TRADE STUFF--- do NOT email me asking me to swap for a set that you DO NOT HAVE IN HAND YET--- this is always a mess----- if you dont have the set yet, u CANNOT confirm if it is complete or good quality or anything, I get SEVERAL EMAILS a week from people who say, I WILL have such and such this week, and of course, a month later they still dont have it--- so wait til u get it and THEN trade it

2. If you buy from a seller, or trade a set from a seller--- it is in VERY BAD TASTE to undercut them and this leads to bad feelings... If you buy a set from TRADER JOE for $75, do NOT immediately offer to sell it for $40. Most sellers expect the thing to be resold, BUT it is in good taste to keep it at a reasonable price- or a similar price to what u paid for it, While it is true that "TECHNICALLY" this is perfectly ok in theory--- It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the person u got it from, and they WILL remember that next time around---- I know that no trader owns the rights to shows, BUT it is just a pretty crappy thing to do---- and it only leads to traders who sell, that end up undercutting each other by $1 here and there, and they end up on bad terms most of the time

3. There is NEVER EVER EVER any reason for ANY TRADER no matter who, or no matter what the situation to Threaten to REPORT any possible violations of another trader---- that is simply 100% wrong, no matter who or what. The trading community as a whole is hurt by even the threat of someone doing something so misguided. I AM NOT refering to posting a bad trader report, that is one thing, but I am refering to someone who says, Ill report you for trading to this agency or that, or Ill turn u in to ebay, yahoo, ioffer, your isp etc. That is totally asinine.

4. Bad Trader Posts should be a LAST RESORT, not just a angry reaction to a problem with a trade. Sometimes things go wrong and if I posted a bad trader every time there was a bump in the road, we would all have them! I mean, bad discs will pop up sometimes, a "complete" set will occasionally turn out to be missing an ep, and mail will be slow sometimes. Try to work things out, and try to understand the other persons position, Before you post. I mean, if a set had bad discs that is NOT a reason to make a bad post. --- BAD posts in my opinion should be used mainly to elimiate scammers and those who send atrocious quality sets, or who have had numerous repeated problems.

5. and finally, people need to realize that this is NOT real life. People will do and say things on a trading site that they would NEVER do in real life. People get mad and make angry posts, people blow up, people hear rumors etc. Most traders keep things in perspective... however, there are some, who make trading their whole life. That is wrong and self destructive. If trading discs becomes your entire life--- u need to stop. Plain and simple.

OK I have been on my rant long enough

thanks

[Lamont]

anyone else with any other "unofficial rules for trading" feel free to add to it!

[scottdvd]

Originally Posted by savageamusement

What someone does with it after - shouldn't concern you- and if it does- don't trade it.

EXACTLY! Why is this so hard for some people to understand? I have traded sets to people before, I will use Lamont as an example, I am sure he does not mind He gets the set I traded to him and makes his daily new release posting. The set, I may have had for a few months but its new to him and maybe lots of other people also. I see the posting. Do I care? NO, why should I? I traded it to him, I know he is going to put it on his list. He wants to try to get other trades for it and share with fellow traders. Why would I make a post saying thats my set don't get it from him?

I have received 2 sets from another person and the only way the person would agree for me to get them was to not list them on my list and 100% not post about them on this site, fair enough. There was no mention that I could not trade or sell them. I agreed, but all of this was discussed up front and I continue to trade with this person to this day. Communication is key!

[padre]

Okay, let me add some 'rules':

1. When engaging in a trade, if you know you won't be able to get your portion of the trade out for weeks or months, be upfront during the initial negotiation. This will allow your trading partner to decide if they want to pursue the trade further. If you choose not disclose this information, you deserve to be labeled as a ‘bad trader’ when it takes you weeks or months to deliver. Illnesses, personal matters and other delays are always unexpected – but that’s not what we’re talking about here. This is the routine habit of taking week after week to deliver your end of a deal. I’m sick and tired of hearing the phrase “so-and-so is really slow and you have to constantly keep on him/her to get him/her to ship, but don’t worry – you’ll get your stuff”. Folks – THAT’S A BAD TRADER!!

2. If you deal a set to another trader, and have claimed the quality is good or excellent (8 or 9/10), but they turn out to be crappy/poor (like a 6 or 7) – YOU are at fault. You need to take the responsibility for the quality, since the trader got them from YOU, not your source. The excuse “Well, the guy I got them from rated them a 9/10, but I never looked at them” – or “I looked at 3 dvds out of the 100 dvd set” – doesn’t cut it!

It’s the same thing with completeness of the set traded – if you state the set is complete, regardless of whether it’s your set or one you’ve received – you should be responsible for making repairs when you discover it’s NOT complete. Again, if you didn’t want to take the time to verify they are or are not complete, then you take the responsibility to make the trader happy. BTW: You owe this to the person you traded with, not all the others THEY traded with. That gets back to my point about trader responsibility.

3. Replacements – If you discovery a defective dvd in the trade you’ve received, the trader should replace them in reasonable amount of time. But this is NOT an unlimited service. You (as the receiver) should check the dvds you receive – try reading them, copying them, duplicating them, whatever. If you don’t do it within a few weeks/months of receiving them, don’t expect the trader at the other end to jump through hoops when you ask for replacements a year or two later! If you’ve been using them as a source to duplicate set after set and never made a backup for yourself (in case a disc gets nicked or damaged), then don’t expect the trader to give you a free replacement.

[loren]

Originally Posted by padre

3. Replacements – If you discovery a defective dvd in the trade you’ve received, the trader should replace them in reasonable amount of time. But this is NOT an unlimited service. You (as the receiver) should check the dvds you receive – try reading them, copying them, duplicating them, whatever. If you don’t do it within a few weeks/months of receiving them, don’t expect the trader at the other end to jump through hoops when you ask for replacements a year or two later! If you’ve been using them as a source to duplicate set after set and never made a backup for yourself (in case a disc gets nicked or damaged), then don’t expect the trader to give you a free replacement.

wow, more right on insight

of course thats what one comes to expect from rational people

this is one of my favorite topics

-----the discs wont play in my crap player

thats why most active traders have several options on players

----the disc will not copy

fact is i cant be responsible if the person isnt skilled enough to make them function

or is just too cheap to buy a computer and learn to use it

or is just plain too lame to do anything except just jam discs into the duplicator, and cry wolf everytime one will not run

------ and then theres the straight out thieves of the trade family

the ones who cant make a disc copy

so they sell the one they got from you ,

and then cry to get a redo

some folks have 30 times the normal amount of redos

and guess what

when i make an issue that they need to send back the --supposedly--bad disc

all of a sudden

they get lost in the mail

numerous times in a row

or some other lame excuse

and guess what

they do it to everyone else as well

not just me

interesting

those are the loosers that i drop the window closed on

----backup copy

wow what another great concept

every disc that enters my house

gets a working copy made right away

i use special colored discs so i dont get them mixed in with discs to send out

if theres a boo boo

99% plus of the time i can go to the stash and find the original

and im back in step in 5 minutes

this would be a great plan for anyone to adopt

disc get damaged, misplaced, dog pead on, etc

cover yer bacon and put in a little effort to back things up

----equipment

as a good standing member of the trade circle

it is up to you to prepare for trades

no not just buy a stack of crap discs from staples and a duplicator from ebay

this means have a computer to copy things

at least a couple different drives

and a couple options on software

and also learn to read so you can figure out simple programs

all the ones i have are a couple clicks and go

very simple

but once again a time investment

---happiness

your happiness factor will raise to new levels if you practice good trade habits

and of course if you dont, guess how many people will want to come to your window

then we will see all these

stinky220 will not trade with me

well stinky220 probably had enough of you, or knows some folks who have and told tales

----trade partners

build long term relationships

those are the ones that yield honest deals

not everyone will have all the latest hot items

but many of the hot item people are scammers

[padre]

Originally Posted by loren

----the disc will not copy

fact is i cant be responsible if the person isnt skilled enough to make them function

or is just too cheap to buy a computer and learn to use it

or is just plain too lame to do anything except just jam discs into the duplicator, and cry wolf everytime one will not run

Yup, they try it in one location and immediately say the dvd is bad. I've received dvds that don't read completely through my duplicator, won't read correctly in my Pioneer burner, but DO read in my Lite-On reader. Happens tons of times, due to media and/or burner used by the trader who sent me the dvds. So the dvds weren't really defective, but without other reading options, I might have jumped to that conclusion.

By the way, I also want to address a comment I saw about duplicators (don't know if it was here or another board). But using a duplicator is not a bad thing! The duplicator I use has the exact same equipment that my desktop PC has! A Pioneer DVD-ROM drive and a Pioneer (or Sony) DVD burner. So when I stick a source in the top and blank in the bottom, it's the exact same as if I did a read (with DVD decrypter) for the source, and burned it back out to the burner on my PC. The comment was "a duplicator will just duplicate the disc flaws/errors"..WRONG. If the dvd is defective or has a flaw, it won't read into the duplicator any more than it would read into your PC.

[RedWhine56]

Originally Posted by Lamont

I understand the frustration of someone who authors a set and then sees it pop up on ioffer for $1 a disc in 2 weeks

BUT i also understand that is a risk of trading, and u have to live with it

most traders will try to show some level of respect
there are some "Unwritten Rules" that most people know, but some dont follow

1. DO NO PRE-TRADE STUFF--- do NOT email me asking me to swap for a set that you DO NOT HAVE IN HAND YET--- this is always a mess----- if you dont have the set yet, u CANNOT confirm if it is complete or good quality or anything, I get SEVERAL EMAILS a week from people who say, I WILL have such and such this week, and of course, a month later they still dont have it--- so wait til u get it and THEN trade it

2. If you buy from a seller, or trade a set from a seller--- it is in VERY BAD TASTE to undercut them and this leads to bad feelings... If you buy a set from TRADER JOE for $75, do NOT immediately offer to sell it for $40. Most sellers expect the thing to be resold, BUT it is in good taste to keep it at a reasonable price- or a similar price to what u paid for it, While it is true that "TECHNICALLY" this is perfectly ok in theory--- It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the person u got it from, and they WILL remember that next time around---- I know that no trader owns the rights to shows, BUT it is just a pretty crappy thing to do---- and it only leads to traders who sell, that end up undercutting each other by $1 here and there, and they end up on bad terms most of the time

3. There is NEVER EVER EVER any reason for ANY TRADER no matter who, or no matter what the situation to Threaten to REPORT any possible violations of another trader---- that is simply 100% wrong, no matter who or what. The trading community as a whole is hurt by even the threat of someone doing something so misguided. I AM NOT refering to posting a bad trader report, that is one thing, but I am refering to someone who says, Ill report you for trading to this agency or that, or Ill turn u in to ebay, yahoo, ioffer, your isp etc. That is totally asinine.

4. Bad Trader Posts should be a LAST RESORT, not just a angry reaction to a problem with a trade. Sometimes things go wrong and if I posted a bad trader every time there was a bump in the road, we would all have them! I mean, bad discs will pop up sometimes, a "complete" set will occasionally turn out to be missing an ep, and mail will be slow sometimes. Try to work things out, and try to understand the other persons position, Before you post. I mean, if a set had bad discs that is NOT a reason to make a bad post. --- BAD posts in my opinion should be used mainly to elimiate scammers and those who send atrocious quality sets, or who have had numerous repeated problems.

5. and finally, people need to realize that this is NOT real life. People will do and say things on a trading site that they would NEVER do in real life. People get mad and make angry posts, people blow up, people hear rumors etc. Most traders keep things in perspective... however, there are some, who make trading their whole life. That is wrong and self destructive. If trading discs becomes your entire life--- u need to stop. Plain and simple.

OK I have been on my rant long enough

thanks

All great points, Lamont. IMO, it boils down to a few things...maturity and treating each other with respect (which may be a subset of maturity.) We will all have disagreements with others until the day we die. It's how we handle them that shows our character.

[y2k3Joker]

Originally Posted by Lamont

2. If you buy from a seller, or trade a set from a seller--- it is in VERY BAD TASTE to undercut them and this leads to bad feelings... If you buy a set from TRADER JOE for $75, do NOT immediately offer to sell it for $40. Most sellers expect the thing to be resold, BUT it is in good taste to keep it at a reasonable price- or a similar price to what u paid for it, While it is true that "TECHNICALLY" this is perfectly ok in theory--- It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the person u got it from, and they WILL remember that next time around---- I know that no trader owns the rights to shows, BUT it is just a pretty crappy thing to do---- and it only leads to traders who sell, that end up undercutting each other by $1 here and there, and they end up on bad terms most of the time

How about following this RULE and STOP PREACHING, and then we won't have any problems.



(Lamont, I'm not talking to you - it's a comment in general)

[Beavis]

[lilhave]

Originally Posted by Lamont

I understand the frustration of someone who authors a set and then sees it pop up on ioffer for $1 a disc in 2 weeks

BUT i also understand that is a risk of trading, and u have to live with it

most traders will try to show some level of respect
there are some "Unwritten Rules" that most people know, but some dont follow

1. DO NO PRE-TRADE STUFF--- do NOT email me asking me to swap for a set that you DO NOT HAVE IN HAND YET--- this is always a mess----- if you dont have the set yet, u CANNOT confirm if it is complete or good quality or anything, I get SEVERAL EMAILS a week from people who say, I WILL have such and such this week, and of course, a month later they still dont have it--- so wait til u get it and THEN trade it

2. If you buy from a seller, or trade a set from a seller--- it is in VERY BAD TASTE to undercut them and this leads to bad feelings... If you buy a set from TRADER JOE for $75, do NOT immediately offer to sell it for $40. Most sellers expect the thing to be resold, BUT it is in good taste to keep it at a reasonable price- or a similar price to what u paid for it, While it is true that "TECHNICALLY" this is perfectly ok in theory--- It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the person u got it from, and they WILL remember that next time around---- I know that no trader owns the rights to shows, BUT it is just a pretty crappy thing to do---- and it only leads to traders who sell, that end up undercutting each other by $1 here and there, and they end up on bad terms most of the time

3. There is NEVER EVER EVER any reason for ANY TRADER no matter who, or no matter what the situation to Threaten to REPORT any possible violations of another trader---- that is simply 100% wrong, no matter who or what. The trading community as a whole is hurt by even the threat of someone doing something so misguided. I AM NOT refering to posting a bad trader report, that is one thing, but I am refering to someone who says, Ill report you for trading to this agency or that, or Ill turn u in to ebay, yahoo, ioffer, your isp etc. That is totally asinine.

4. Bad Trader Posts should be a LAST RESORT, not just a angry reaction to a problem with a trade. Sometimes things go wrong and if I posted a bad trader every time there was a bump in the road, we would all have them! I mean, bad discs will pop up sometimes, a "complete" set will occasionally turn out to be missing an ep, and mail will be slow sometimes. Try to work things out, and try to understand the other persons position, Before you post. I mean, if a set had bad discs that is NOT a reason to make a bad post. --- BAD posts in my opinion should be used mainly to elimiate scammers and those who send atrocious quality sets, or who have had numerous repeated problems.

5. and finally, people need to realize that this is NOT real life. People will do and say things on a trading site that they would NEVER do in real life. People get mad and make angry posts, people blow up, people hear rumors etc. Most traders keep things in perspective... however, there are some, who make trading their whole life. That is wrong and self destructive. If trading discs becomes your entire life--- u need to stop. Plain and simple.

OK I have been on my rant long enough

thanks

Are you saying that some upset trader actually went to the authorities and reported someone.? That to me is the low of the low. I believe I heard somewhere that one person on Ioffer bought from someone and when they undersold her, went to the authorities and had him booted. Isn't that the same female who does it all the time herself.?

Harvey

[Lamont]

I was not refering to anyone one person (much like Joker posted -- and to Joker, I appreciate u clarifying that so the rumor mongers dont pounce on it!)

I was speaking in general, I have been contacted by 3 members who thought I was refering to them--- I can assure all 3, that I was speaking of general rules to follow.

[Lamont]

PS one of the 3 people emailed me and this guy actually said
i was talking about his situation "TO A T" and he didnt appreciate it

I won't name the guy, BUT If anyone thinks that I am singling them out on these issues, then perhaps they had better take a closer look at the trading rules they play by!