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Mr.Clairvoyant · 03-08-2006, 12:36 AM

Has there been any updates on this case, or if there is any websites that talk about this case? This is a really creepy and bizarre case. How can anyone imagine that it is even possible that this man committed suicide? Who would want to die in a furnace with a temp for 1300 degrees. I believe this is truly a case of cold blooded murder.. I wonder why the only motive the could come up with for someone to want him dead was the whole Whistle Blown thing.. Even though this motive makes sense I guess.. I really wish more cloud have been put into finding the so called killer or killers.. One thing that struck odd to me is this so called witness and why they did not want appear on camera when the friend the guy he used to car pool with was all on camera with his suspicions and did not seem to fear retaliation.. what would have been there to fear? Especially if the plant was closed I would see what an immediate danger would be too then.. and how they just happened upon David Bocks twice in one tight 15 mins before the temp gauge rose up in Plant 6.. I believe that this so called witness maybe new more than he was willingly to share ..

DarkDante · 03-08-2006, 02:08 AM

I dunno I agree its a great case and one of the better ones post 1992 but it is pretty open and shut in my eyes. Dave Bocks was murdered by his co-workers because he was going to blow the whistle on something going on at the plant.

Even prior to Bocks' death there was a scandal brewing and the people responsible for all the troubles thought that by silencing Bocks their troubles would go away which wasn't the case as the plant itself did get shut down in the end amid the same scandal.

That being said what is tragic about this case is that people just are not opening their mouths about what happened to Bocks because in my eyes it could not have been a suicide and was likely not an accident either. The thing is unless someone blows the whistle on what happened the night Bocks died nobody will ever know the exact details surrounding his death.

The thing is I also suspect that only a small handfull of people know exactly what happened to Bocks and they are the folks that murdered him and they sure as hell ain't gonna talk so it's going to be one of those cases that we never know what the hell happened.

LooksLikeCRicci · 03-08-2006, 02:56 AM

Yeah, I tend to think the same thing. The case of Dave Bocks is so creepy to me. I can only hope that he was dead before they threw him into the furnace. *shudder*

We'll probably never find out what happened.

MetalHybrid · 03-08-2006, 06:49 PM

Well you are right DarkDante about how killing Dave did not really solve their problems with the plant and five years after his death NLO was evetually shut down anyway. But no one was ever really indicted or charged with either pollution or murder, so while they did lose the factory they remain free to begin again. They killed him in a way that can't even be viewed as a murder(not technically at least, only in suspicion). Any evidence that could have been on the body(such as prints, hair fibers, or assault wounds) was vaporized. 22 years have come and gone since that night, and the abandoned factory, at least from what I recall on a previous discussion here, has been demolished to make way for an open space preserve, but we are no close to an answer now then we were back in 1984. Perhaps this, like the true cause of Cindy James' death, will remain an unsolved mystery.

Mr. Clairvoyant. I don't really know much about websites or books that speak of this case. Try a google sreach or another search. I know that www.fernald.gov talks about the project of converting the plant site into the open air garden, if this helps.

Mr.Clairvoyant · 03-10-2006, 02:57 AM

thanks for the response

synthisislab · 05-05-2008, 02:47 AM

Yeah, I don't think this will ever get solved because the remains can't be examined (or at least what was left of him) for many many years because they are too toxic. I think it was murder though because of the three wire loops found in the furnace, two loops for Dave's hands and one for whatever sort of crane lowered him into the furnace. Someone must have incapacitated him in some way and bound him with that wire and dunked him in.

charmedsignora · 05-05-2008, 04:49 PM

I think that what they did to him was just cruel. Even if he was unconscious when they put him in the furnace, it's like that man they interviewed said: "I can't imagine a more horrible death than that!"

slasherman · 05-05-2008, 06:27 PM

I think he took his own life..like he had tried some years before.
-He was seen walking ALONE to the plant he was found dead.
-The story of him in a car with a person with the window closed is not believable. Typical unconfirmed UM witness.
-The guy that think he saw Dave Bocks key's is wrong with the time. And why will he notice such a thing ?
-Why was Dave Bocks the only one that knew about something secret ? He did'nt have a more important job than many of the other workers. The whole whistle blower theory does not hold water.
-Why would police try to cover up a murder on a plant they had nothing to do with ?
-And who was the boss "in the shadow" ? I'm sure police did an interrogation of all the people on the top.
-I'm pretty sure a furnace with a temp for 1300 degrees is a pretty fast and painless death. It's much more painfull to bleed to death of an gunshot wound.

To be continued .....

synthisislab · 05-05-2008, 07:05 PM

I don't think the police covered up, they just didn't have enough evidence left to piece together who could have done it and didn't have any solid leads as to who could have killed him. This was pretty much a perfect crime if it was murder, which it seems likely if Dave was putting together a case against his superiors.
When was the plant eventually closed and do you think he could have known it was closing and he'd be out a job? And I wonder why it was closed eventually? Could it have been closed because of this case or because business or financial restraints dictated that it be closed?

charmedsignora · 05-05-2008, 10:05 PM

The plant closed in 1989. National Lead of Ohio ran the plant up until about 1985-86 (that's what NLO stands for, by the way.) Then the plant was sold to a private company. It closed down three years later. I haven't been able to get any information on why they closed.

Todd Mueller · 05-05-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slasherman

I think he took his own life..like he had tried some years before.
-He was seen walking ALONE to the plant he was found dead.
-The story of him in a car with a person with the window closed is not believable. Typical unconfirmed UM witness.
-The guy that think he saw Dave Bocks key's is wrong with the time. And why will he notice such a thing ?
-Why was Dave Bocks the only one that knew about something secret ? He did'nt have a more important job than many of the other workers. The whole whistle blower theory does not hold water.
-Why would police try to cover up a murder on a plant they had nothing to do with ?
-And who was the boss "in the shadow" ? I'm sure police did an interrogation of all the people on the top.
-I'm pretty sure a furnace with a temp for 1300 degrees is a pretty fast and painless death. It's much more painfull to bleed to death of an gunshot wound.

To be continued .....

Huh...

Your points are well taken, but I have no doubt that he was murdered. Just a difference of opinion, but I think the evidence points to foul play.

As for your last point... Yikes! You better hope it is fast and painless.

But I think that has to be one of the most odd ways for someone to kill themselves. Not that it isn't possible, but I just don't see the evidence pointing to suicide, especially in that manner.

Mr.Clairvoyant · 05-07-2008, 02:36 AM

I agree as well If he wanted to kill himself why even get up and come to work? He worked third shifts so you wake up and get ready for work only to go in and jump into a furnance?? there were many other painless ways he could have killed himself. and what about the wire they found looped together which leaves you to think he may have been tied up and thrown into the inferno. Why bother picking up your co worker to drop off to work? Why pay all your bills and by food for the week?? It was murder, the whole whistle blown thing to me seems misguided after all what information that Dave could have known that no one else at the plant knew and was not in danger??? Perhaps it could have been an affair gone bad.. maybe he was having a affair with one of his co workers wives and the co worker found out and killed him. Just think about it for a second who ever threw him into that furnance had to truly be mad or hate him to want him dead in such a manner.. overkill!!!

MRC.

slasherman · 05-09-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Clairvoyant

I agree as well If he wanted to kill himself why even get up and come to work? He worked third shifts so you wake up and get ready for work only to go in and jump into a furnance??Why bother picking up your co worker to drop off to work? Why pay all your bills and by food for the week??

Yes..I believe most suicides are spontaneous. It could also have been planned. If it was planned he would not want to wake any suspicion cause then his planned would not work.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Clairvoyant

there were many other painless ways he could have killed himself. and what about the wire they found looped together which leaves you to think he may have been tied up and thrown into the inferno.

Yes there are many other ways to commit suicide Dave Bocks wanted it this way. Why? Thats a question only Dave Bocks can answer. Maybe Dave Bocks (wanted)thought he would never be found. As to the wire it could have been there long before Dave Bocks was found. I guess they found many other thing in that furnance as well.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Clairvoyant

It was murder, the whole whistle blown thing to me seems misguided after all what information that Dave could have known that no one else at the plant knew and was not in danger??? Perhaps it could have been an affair gone bad.. maybe he was having a affair with one of his co workers wives and the co worker found out and killed him. Just think about it for a second who ever threw him into that furnance had to truly be mad or hate him to want him dead in such a manner.. overkill!!!

MRC.

No it was not murder all things point to suicide. Why are "everybody" looking away from his previous depression and attemt to commit suicide. Seems to me people want a unsolved mystery more than a case to be solved. And the affair theory seems unlikely. If he had somebody would have known. By the way Dave Bocks did not look like a guy with many women.

synthisislab · 05-09-2008, 07:50 AM

I'd be interested in knowing whether or not his first suicide was a suicidal gesture or a genuine attempt and if he left a note the first time.

From what I could tell from the segment, NLO was making uranium for high grade weaponized use, but told their employees that it was low level and not to talk about stuff they had seen there. But what I'm wondering about is how could all the employees not know about what they were doing there at NLO (especially the ones monitoring the tanks and the gauges) and what, if anything would have been worthy of someone blowing the whistle on them? Manufacturing weapons grade uranium isn't against the law and they needed to keep the operation hush hush for national security reasons, of course. The military-industrial complex certainly knows how to do this too. So what could Dave Bocks have known about any illegal stuff that would have gotten him killed? I'm scratching my head trying to think of a motive. Maybe some higher up(s) wanted to sell some uranium on the black market? Did Dave want to expose that they were manufacturing high weapons grade uranium? That could be the reason that he was murdered, but then again the plant shut down and I'm thinking that no one got in trouble for corruption or any sort of environmental crimes of any sort.

I don't know, maybe the suicide theory seems most plausible because the motive for someone in the plant to have killed him is looking pretty shaky now the more I think about it.

sdb4884 · 12-17-2008, 09:28 AM

Why kill him at the plant? it doesn't make sense. Of course someone is going to come to the conclusion that it was Dave Bocks all they have to do is a head count of employees. Surely they could have dumped the body at another location or at least hid it at the plant until the coast was clear.

03-08-2006, 12:36 AM	#1
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	Dave Bocks Has there been any updates on this case, or if there is any websites that talk about this case? This is a really creepy and bizarre case. How can anyone imagine that it is even possible that this man committed suicide? Who would want to die in a furnace with a temp for 1300 degrees. I believe this is truly a case of cold blooded murder.. I wonder why the only motive the could come up with for someone to want him dead was the whole Whistle Blown thing.. Even though this motive makes sense I guess.. I really wish more cloud have been put into finding the so called killer or killers.. One thing that struck odd to me is this so called witness and why they did not want appear on camera when the friend the guy he used to car pool with was all on camera with his suspicions and did not seem to fear retaliation.. what would have been there to fear? Especially if the plant was closed I would see what an immediate danger would be too then.. and how they just happened upon David Bocks twice in one tight 15 mins before the temp gauge rose up in Plant 6.. I believe that this so called witness maybe new more than he was willingly to share ..

05-05-2008, 04:49 PM	#7
charmedsignora Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 204	I think that what they did to him was just cruel. Even if he was unconscious when they put him in the furnace, it's like that man they interviewed said: "I can't imagine a more horrible death than that!"
	__________________ "Just an honest, clean kind of person."

03-08-2006, 02:08 AM	#2
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	I dunno I agree its a great case and one of the better ones post 1992 but it is pretty open and shut in my eyes. Dave Bocks was murdered by his co-workers because he was going to blow the whistle on something going on at the plant. Even prior to Bocks' death there was a scandal brewing and the people responsible for all the troubles thought that by silencing Bocks their troubles would go away which wasn't the case as the plant itself did get shut down in the end amid the same scandal. That being said what is tragic about this case is that people just are not opening their mouths about what happened to Bocks because in my eyes it could not have been a suicide and was likely not an accident either. The thing is unless someone blows the whistle on what happened the night Bocks died nobody will ever know the exact details surrounding his death. The thing is I also suspect that only a small handfull of people know exactly what happened to Bocks and they are the folks that murdered him and they sure as hell ain't gonna talk so it's going to be one of those cases that we never know what the hell happened.

03-08-2006, 02:56 AM	#3
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	Yeah, I tend to think the same thing. The case of Dave Bocks is so creepy to me. I can only hope that he was dead before they threw him into the furnace. shudder We'll probably never find out what happened.

03-08-2006, 06:49 PM	#4
MetalHybrid Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 10, 2005 Location: Campbell(near San Jose), CA Posts: 141	Well you are right DarkDante about how killing Dave did not really solve their problems with the plant and five years after his death NLO was evetually shut down anyway. But no one was ever really indicted or charged with either pollution or murder, so while they did lose the factory they remain free to begin again. They killed him in a way that can't even be viewed as a murder(not technically at least, only in suspicion). Any evidence that could have been on the body(such as prints, hair fibers, or assault wounds) was vaporized. 22 years have come and gone since that night, and the abandoned factory, at least from what I recall on a previous discussion here, has been demolished to make way for an open space preserve, but we are no close to an answer now then we were back in 1984. Perhaps this, like the true cause of Cindy James' death, will remain an unsolved mystery. Mr. Clairvoyant. I don't really know much about websites or books that speak of this case. Try a google sreach or another search. I know that www.fernald.gov talks about the project of converting the plant site into the open air garden, if this helps.

03-10-2006, 02:57 AM	#5
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	thanks for the response

05-05-2008, 02:47 AM	#6
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	Yeah, I don't think this will ever get solved because the remains can't be examined (or at least what was left of him) for many many years because they are too toxic. I think it was murder though because of the three wire loops found in the furnace, two loops for Dave's hands and one for whatever sort of crane lowered him into the furnace. Someone must have incapacitated him in some way and bound him with that wire and dunked him in.

05-05-2008, 06:27 PM	#8
slasherman Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 20, 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 104	I think he took his own life..like he had tried some years before. -He was seen walking ALONE to the plant he was found dead. -The story of him in a car with a person with the window closed is not believable. Typical unconfirmed UM witness. -The guy that think he saw Dave Bocks key's is wrong with the time. And why will he notice such a thing ? -Why was Dave Bocks the only one that knew about something secret ? He did'nt have a more important job than many of the other workers. The whole whistle blower theory does not hold water. -Why would police try to cover up a murder on a plant they had nothing to do with ? -And who was the boss "in the shadow" ? I'm sure police did an interrogation of all the people on the top. -I'm pretty sure a furnace with a temp for 1300 degrees is a pretty fast and painless death. It's much more painfull to bleed to death of an gunshot wound. To be continued .....

05-05-2008, 07:05 PM	#9
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	I don't think the police covered up, they just didn't have enough evidence left to piece together who could have done it and didn't have any solid leads as to who could have killed him. This was pretty much a perfect crime if it was murder, which it seems likely if Dave was putting together a case against his superiors. When was the plant eventually closed and do you think he could have known it was closing and he'd be out a job? And I wonder why it was closed eventually? Could it have been closed because of this case or because business or financial restraints dictated that it be closed?

05-05-2008, 10:05 PM	#10
charmedsignora Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 31, 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 204	The plant closed in 1989. National Lead of Ohio ran the plant up until about 1985-86 (that's what NLO stands for, by the way.) Then the plant was sold to a private company. It closed down three years later. I haven't been able to get any information on why they closed.

05-07-2008, 02:36 AM	#12
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	I agree as well If he wanted to kill himself why even get up and come to work? He worked third shifts so you wake up and get ready for work only to go in and jump into a furnance?? there were many other painless ways he could have killed himself. and what about the wire they found looped together which leaves you to think he may have been tied up and thrown into the inferno. Why bother picking up your co worker to drop off to work? Why pay all your bills and by food for the week?? It was murder, the whole whistle blown thing to me seems misguided after all what information that Dave could have known that no one else at the plant knew and was not in danger??? Perhaps it could have been an affair gone bad.. maybe he was having a affair with one of his co workers wives and the co worker found out and killed him. Just think about it for a second who ever threw him into that furnance had to truly be mad or hate him to want him dead in such a manner.. overkill!!! MRC.

05-09-2008, 07:50 AM	#14
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	I'd be interested in knowing whether or not his first suicide was a suicidal gesture or a genuine attempt and if he left a note the first time. From what I could tell from the segment, NLO was making uranium for high grade weaponized use, but told their employees that it was low level and not to talk about stuff they had seen there. But what I'm wondering about is how could all the employees not know about what they were doing there at NLO (especially the ones monitoring the tanks and the gauges) and what, if anything would have been worthy of someone blowing the whistle on them? Manufacturing weapons grade uranium isn't against the law and they needed to keep the operation hush hush for national security reasons, of course. The military-industrial complex certainly knows how to do this too. So what could Dave Bocks have known about any illegal stuff that would have gotten him killed? I'm scratching my head trying to think of a motive. Maybe some higher up(s) wanted to sell some uranium on the black market? Did Dave want to expose that they were manufacturing high weapons grade uranium? That could be the reason that he was murdered, but then again the plant shut down and I'm thinking that no one got in trouble for corruption or any sort of environmental crimes of any sort. I don't know, maybe the suicide theory seems most plausible because the motive for someone in the plant to have killed him is looking pretty shaky now the more I think about it.

12-17-2008, 09:28 AM	#15
sdb4884 UM Meme Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 01, 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,234	Why kill him at the plant? it doesn't make sense. Of course someone is going to come to the conclusion that it was Dave Bocks all they have to do is a head count of employees. Surely they could have dumped the body at another location or at least hid it at the plant until the coast was clear.