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comedyfreak · 02-08-2006, 05:06 AM

That the Honeymooners were later in color in the late 60's to early 70's. I remember seeing them rerun on KTVU 2 back in the mid 70's, there was a different Alice and Trixie. I wish they were on dvd, I'd love to see them again.

W.B. · 02-08-2006, 05:15 AM

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That the Honeymooners were later in color in the late 60's to early 70's. I remember seeing them rerun on KTVU 2 back in the mid 70's, there was a different Alice and Trixie. I wish they were on dvd, I'd love to see them again.

First, it appears you're speaking of the color 1966-67 "Trip to Europe" episodes which were at first briefly syndicated in 1977 (in New York, shown on WNEW-TV - now WNYW - Channel 5; they also aired the "Poor Soul Christmas" show). Secondly, these and the other hour-long color episodes produced between then and 1970 are currently on the AmericanLife TV channel Saturdays at 7, 8 and 11 P.M. and Sundays at 7 P.M. Third, there are plans by MPI to release DVD's of The Color Honeymooners starting this June or thereabouts. And fourth, the Alice and Trixie here were, respectively, Sheila MacRae and Jane Kean. So in other words, you weren't imagining . . .

comedyfreak · 02-08-2006, 06:47 AM

I thought so, thanks W.B. It's too bad Audry didn't continue on with Gleason.

treky · 02-09-2006, 03:16 AM

she did-in the 1976 to 1979 specials where Jackie revived it, on ABC. Joyce Randolph didn't return as Trixie, though. Jane Kean played her, again. Joyce says they never asked her.

treky · 02-10-2006, 02:48 AM

yea, I also liked Joyce as Trixie. But then, I only vaguely remember Jane Kean in the role, since I haven't seen the 60s sketches and the 70s reunion shows in YEARS since they were first on. (those 60s sketches were my first exposure to "The Honeymooners).

And, I don't think the Pert Kelton sketches were darker. In fact, I wish she HAD gone on playing Alice, I liked her better somewhat, than Audrey Meadows. Don't get me wrong, Audrey was also good in the role, but Pert just seemed -I don't know-I guess you could say, more realistic, if that makes sense.

Then again, I haven't seen her as Alice in about 6 years, when TV LAND reran that special that showed the "really lost" episodes, that THE DISNEY CHANNEL showed in 1994.

Woolworth27 · 02-11-2006, 09:23 PM

Your crazy! Audrey Meadows made Alice,thats why she won the 1954 emmy for most outstanding women on a sitcom show.

T-Greg · 02-14-2006, 02:32 PM

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And speaking of Audrey, imagine if Pert Kelton never left the cast and ended up continuing her role as Alice. The Honeymooners would have been completely different.

You're right about that. For me, Pert Kelton was irritating to listen to. I can't take too much of the Brooklynese. My apologies to all of you from Brooklyn..

Bill S. · 02-14-2006, 08:26 PM

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You're right about that. For me, Pert Kelton was irritating to listen to. I can't take too much of the Brooklynese. My apologies to all of you from Brooklyn..

I think it was more so her voice than her accent. I don't think Pert Kelton was even from New York, I haven't heard anything really about her childhood. Her singing was terrible either way, it was like nails on a chalkboard. Good thing she wasn't around for any of the musical shows, we had Audrey Meadows who could actually sing. I think Joyce Randolph and Art Carney's attempts at a Brooklyn accent during the 51-52 run were slightly annoying. I guess they realized by 53 that it was easier to just use their natural accents.

W.B. · 02-15-2006, 04:00 AM

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I think it was more so her voice than her accent. I don't think Pert Kelton was even from New York, I haven't heard anything really about her childhood. Her singing was terrible either way, it was like nails on a chalkboard. Good thing she wasn't around for any of the musical shows, we had Audrey Meadows who could actually sing. I think Joyce Randolph and Art Carney's attempts at a Brooklyn accent during the 51-52 run were slightly annoying. I guess they realized by 53 that it was easier to just use their natural accents.

The closest any Alice came to actually emanating from the New York metro area was Sue Ane Langdon who, I.I.N.M., had been born in New Jersey. Ms. Kelton, O.T.O.H., was a Montana native. Ironic how the two longest-serving Alices - Audrey Meadows and Sheila MacRae - were born outside the U.S. And speaking of Ms. MacRae - it was during her run as Alice, in 1967, that Ms. Kelton played Alice's mother, thus - albeit for one time only - did Pert appear in any of the musical shows.

W.B. · 02-15-2006, 05:05 PM

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As for Pert Kelton, that musical show where she played Alice's mother slipped my mind. I don't think I've ever actually seen the episode but I've heard a lot about it. It's a remake of "The Great Jewel Robbery" if I'm not mistaken. Did she actually end up singing in that episode though? That's one of the color shows I've been meaning to watch. I could never get into the musical routines, they took the realistic nature away from the show.

Oh, it was a remake of the episode you mentioned. The newer version was called "Rififi - Brooklyn Style." And Ms. Kelton did indeed do a musical duet, with Ms. MacRae. I've read some comments to the effect that "since Pert was the first Alice, she should know," in terms of the tone of the song.

02-08-2006, 05:06 AM	#1
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02-09-2006, 03:16 AM	#4
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02-08-2006, 06:47 AM	#3
comedyfreak Cheers! Forum Fanatic Join Date: Dec 14, 2005 Location: Sunny California Posts: 11,061	I thought so, thanks W.B. It's too bad Audry didn't continue on with Gleason.

02-10-2006, 02:48 AM	#5
treky star trek fan Eternal Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Feb 25, 2002 Location: Conshohocken, pennsylvania Posts: 14,490	yea, I also liked Joyce as Trixie. But then, I only vaguely remember Jane Kean in the role, since I haven't seen the 60s sketches and the 70s reunion shows in YEARS since they were first on. (those 60s sketches were my first exposure to "The Honeymooners). And, I don't think the Pert Kelton sketches were darker. In fact, I wish she HAD gone on playing Alice, I liked her better somewhat, than Audrey Meadows. Don't get me wrong, Audrey was also good in the role, but Pert just seemed -I don't know-I guess you could say, more realistic, if that makes sense. Then again, I haven't seen her as Alice in about 6 years, when TV LAND reran that special that showed the "really lost" episodes, that THE DISNEY CHANNEL showed in 1994.

02-11-2006, 09:23 PM	#6
Woolworth27 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 14, 2006 Posts: 315	Your crazy! Audrey Meadows made Alice,thats why she won the 1954 emmy for most outstanding women on a sitcom show.